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Gym Leader Elesa said:
I like how one of their links in reference to an argument the protagonist has with Cindy, one of his elementary school classmates, goes to "Unresolved Sexual Tension."

That's my favorite part.
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If you're interested in pairing up eleven year olds you need psychiatric help
 
Uncanny Valley said:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/ThePowerpuffGirls2016

They literally can't stop sperging about Go!, can't they?
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Nope, I don't expect them to stop until the show's canceled either. Hopefully...

Probably the most glaring one is that if fans are simply overreacting to the show not meeting expectations since it's inception. Yes, the argument on the animation errors is valid, since it's a sign of sloppiness on the animators part that both the show's defenders and detractors mutually agree on. However, when it comes to meme references, the defenders argue they aren't that overused, citing that they pop up every few episodes and are quick gags at best, and don't overstay their welcome regardless if they're dated or not (They even point to a previous CN cartoon, MAD, for comparison, as that show used memes much more frequently and blatantly, yet no one argued when they did it) while detractors argue internet memes shouldn't even be used in the first place. Defenders say the show does try to stay true to its roots, and argued that the show is on it's first season with a new set of writers who're trying to bring their own spin to the series so both old and new fans can enjoy it, and accuse older fans of being too rooted to the original series without even trying to give it a chance, with most just hating it cause it's not like the original series. At the very least, the series is called a better comedy-oriented reboot than Teen Titans Go!, as the PPG reboot at least stays faithful to the comedy style of the original series, while TTG is full of sadist humor, Black Comedy, and personal attacks against the hatedom. While detractors, most of whom are fans of the original series, argue that some of the newer viewers of the show have never seen the original series to understand what made it so special, and that the writers are being too desperate to appeal to it's current audience and trends that are the standard of Cartoon Network now (the fact that the show looks like it's trying to be too much like Clarence or Steven Universe, but without their depth, doesn't help). Needless to say, there's no middle ground to be had.
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Yeah, I don't see it happening any time soon.
 
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bigbaby said:
Nobody said so far why it's a bad idea to use TV Tropes to get ideas for plots or characters. Any idea?
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You can do it well if you know what you're doing. However, the problem with most of the userbase is that they start off with very little practical knowledge of the writing process, and end up with the impression that shoving a bunch of tropes into a story makes it good instead of just a clusterfuck.
 
bigbaby said:
Nobody said so far why it's a bad idea to use TV Tropes to get ideas for plots or characters. Any idea?
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It's not, but the people "writing" their ideas on the site have no idea how storytelling actually works. Mostly sticking to world-building, if that.

It would explain why there's so many spergy entries on the site, though.
 
Alberto Balsalm said:
You can do it well if you know what you're doing. However, the problem with most of the userbase is that they start off with very little practical knowledge of the writing process, and end up with the impression that shoving a bunch of tropes into a story makes it good instead of just a clusterfuck.
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That and shoving tropes into a story and then mentioning them by name in an attempt to be "see I use TVTropes am I cool yet guys" is the fucking cringiest thing imaginable. That and the kinds of people who do it usually like Pooh's Adventures-tier retarded crossovers.
 
bigbaby said:
Nobody said so far why it's a bad idea to use TV Tropes to get ideas for plots or characters. Any idea?
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Positron said:
Reading TVT won't
1) make you a better author; literally all creation by tropers are cringe-worthily bad.
2) make you a better critic: shoehorning characters, events, ect in pigeonholes is not literary criticism.
3) make you a better conversationist. Mentioning dumb, nerdy "trope names" among your friends will only embarrass yourself.
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bigbaby said:
Nobody said so far why it's a bad idea to use TV Tropes to get ideas for plots or characters. Any idea?
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It is bad because normal people -- and by extension believable, sympathetic characters -- aren't a shopping list of stereotypes. You never find a "Deadpan Snarker", a "Cloudcuckoolander Genki Girl", or a "Big Bad" wearing "Badass Longcoat" in real life, nor does real life presents people with something called "Moral Event Horizon". People's demeanor and motivation change depending their experience, their expectations, and the situations they find themselves in. And a decent writer takes into account of all these. To say that someone behave in such a way because she is a "Broken Bird" is lazy and unconvincing.

If you take a look at their forums, you'll see what they aspire to write are mostly anime- or video-game like stuff nobody else wants to read. I suppose relying on "tropes" is less of a problem if you're only writing pony fanfiction for fun, but I still argue that this is a lazy habit, and your thinking and literary instinct will not benefit from it.
 
bigbaby said:
Nobody said so far why it's a bad idea to use TV Tropes to get ideas for plots or characters. Any idea?
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Using TVTropes as a reference for writing is like using wikipedia as a reference for a research paper, except TVTropes doesn't even aspire to be professional, it aspires to be an irreverent, self-referential distraction site. If you want to write anything more complex than a throw-away fanfic, you're best off looking at the sources that use these tropes as inspiration rather than looking the the website itself.

Edit: Now, TVTropes can be used as a catalogue to track down these sources, but that's just it, it's a catalogue, not a how-to manual.
 
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bigbaby said:
Nobody said so far why it's a bad idea to use TV Tropes to get ideas for plots or characters. Any idea?
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I have only known a handful of people who actively used and edited TVTropes. I don't know if any of them used it directly in their writing, but what I do know is that none of them read (or wrote) at a level beyond what I would consider average for a high schooler.
 
Positron said:
It is bad because normal people -- and by extension believable, sympathetic characters -- aren't a shopping list of stereotypes. You never find a "Deadpan Snarker", a "Cloudcuckoolander Genki Girl", or a "Big Bad" wearing "Badass Longcoat" in real life, nor does real life presents people with something called "Moral Event Horizon". People's demeanor and motivation change depending their experience, their expectations, and the situations they find themselves in. And a decent writer takes into account of all these. To say that someone behave in such a way because she is a "Broken Bird" is lazy and unconvincing.

If you take a look at their forums, you'll see what they aspire to write are mostly anime- or video-game like stuff nobody else wants to read. I suppose relying on "tropes" is less of a problem if you're only writing pony fanfiction for fun, but I still argue that this is a lazy habit, and your thinking and literary instinct will not benefit from it.
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But aren't characters supposed to be not like real people? Fiction's a way of escaping reality.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
To be frank, Seth's one of those "push the envelope of creepy, cringy imagery" kind of guys. That said, AD's probably one of the tamer shows of his, so I can't fathom the reasoning for a page that long (aside from :autism:, that is).
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You should also see the YMMV page. It somehow manages to be even more full of butthurt and triggering.
 
bigbaby said:
But aren't characters supposed to be not like real people? Fiction's a way of escaping reality.
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It is, but at the same time, you need to make the characters believable and relatable. Tropes are secondary in the grand scheme of things.

So making a character a walking trope machine is not a good thing in the grand scheme of things. This is something I've seen often with Fanfic OCs.
 
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