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Kind of disappointed that they never brought up Ghandi or the people who was shot for forming a union.
It’s about cultures that idolize martyrdom. There’s nothing bad with listing those cultures, but there’s a distinctive bias against some societies while whitewashing others. For instance, Aztec and Maya human sacrifices are treated as noble, while countries who treat dying for your country as a heroic sacrifice are derided as “fascist”
 
Interestingly enough, both of Geth's sites haven't experienced an spike in activity, except for two autists talking about the Land Before Time movies on Wikia.

I think most of the tropetards consider them abominations run by literally megahitler.

For instance, Aztec and Maya human sacrifices are treated as noble, while countries who treat dying for your country as a heroic sacrifice are derided as “fascist”

They're treated as something so vastly far in the past we can have some distance from them. You can't really judge Aztec or Maya by current standards. Also dying for your country because of taking a hopeless or nearly hopeless mission and literally deliberately just outright killing yourself to murder a bunch of children and civilians are entirely correctly viewed differently, with one admired and the other viewed as reprehensible.
 
I think most of the tropetards consider them abominations run by literally megahitler.



They're treated as something so vastly far in the past we can have some distance from them. You can't really judge Aztec or Maya by current standards. Also dying for your country because of taking a hopeless or nearly hopeless mission and literally deliberately just outright killing yourself to murder a bunch of children and civilians are entirely correctly viewed differently, with one admired and the other viewed as reprehensible.
Of course in practice the dividing line between death in battle and seeking death in battle for eternal glory is impossible to establish.Its quite common for some to desire death in battle.If you view it from a objective POV dying young and being immortalised forever might appeal to some as opposed to growing old and senile.Lets be honest no one at age 90 wants to see a pic of themselves at 20.For some youngsters who've grown up with this fear of aging choosing death in battle however one defines 'battle' might actually appeal.One unstated reason warriors always desired death in battle is the desire for immortality at the peak of their physical perfection.
I always suspected most guys who serve in 'special forces' desire to die in combat even if they don't admit it.Might explain why Chris Kyle died the way he did.Text messages reveal that he knew that former marine was 'nuts' but instead of backing away from a nutjob and he was retired(so no more expectations from him anymore) he chose to go to the gun range with the guy.In his mind he might have viewed it as another chance of 'death in combat'.We will never know obviously but its not impossible.Although in my view Kyle died because he underestimated the risk.He didn't realise that a nutjob always has the advantage in combat since they're willing to break all the rules.But its not impossible Kyle wanted the opportunity to again be in 'combat' and die at a still young age.
 
Of course in practice the dividing line between death in battle and seeking death in battle for eternal glory is impossible to establish.

It may be difficult to draw an exact line and some situations are ambiguous, but I have no real difficulty distinguishing, for instance, someone diving on a grenade to save their squadmates and detonating a suicide vest to blow up a schoolbus full of children.
 
All things considered, they've been at it for an while because harsher in hindsight is an enabler for their autism.
I don't even think it would be "hindsight" as Naughty Dog decided it would be a brilliant idea to release this shitfest during the Coronavirus panic. The parallels are still discomforting though, like releasing a Fallout game after a nuclear accident.
 
To be fair all art dealing with pandemics and infections is a bit more interesting now because of Covid.Its not entirely absurd to link it to it.Its basically like watching a terrorism movie made pre-9/11.You can easily know which are pre and post 9/11.Pandemic art will obviously follow the same path now.
 
I don't even think it would be "hindsight" as Naughty Dog decided it would be a brilliant idea to release this shitfest during the Coronavirus panic. The parallels are still discomforting though, like releasing a Fallout game after a nuclear accident.
Eh. Konami released MGS2 two months after 9/11, only having edited out the FMV of Arsenal Gear tearing lower Manhattan a new asshole before coming to stop at the foot of the World Trade Center, and Raiden cutting down an American flag and shrouding Solidus' body with it. And that was a game literally about false flag terror attacks to justify a US perpetual war footing, mass censorship, and social engineering in the age of mass communication.

People will cope, and hopefully TLOU2 won't turn out a percentage as prescient or culturally relevant as MGS2.
 
I mean, releasing a zombie story during a pandemic is definitely going to lead to parallels.
The parallels in the last of us 2 have nothing on RE6 which has a viral agent known as the C virus released in China. Say what you will about the game but that’s a level of prophecy on the level of the twin towers being missing in Deus Ex
 
To be fair all art dealing with pandemics and infections is a bit more interesting now because of Covid.Its not entirely absurd to link it to it.Its basically like watching a terrorism movie made pre-9/11.You can easily know which are pre and post 9/11.Pandemic art will obviously follow the same path now.
Sadly. Expect common tropes and stock characters in any pandemic-related media to now include science denying politicians (who push cures that don't work), heroic TV experts who are trying to warn us who are totally not Dr. Fauci, dangerous fake news sources, and middle-aged white women.
 
Sadly. Expect common tropes and stock characters in any pandemic-related media to now include science denying politicians (who push cures that don't work), heroic TV experts who are trying to warn us who are totally not Dr. Fauci, dangerous fake news sources, and middle-aged white women.
I do expect a lot more movies after 2022(when we finally start to see movies produced and shot in a post-pandemic period) to feature a lot more themes of loneliness isolation and paranoia.Also a far grimmer and darker media landscape.Not all but a lot more The Mist and a lot less The Avengers.'War on terror' movies are likely to seem dated and no longer that interesting.Also movies about loss.There were only a couple of movies made about losing someone on 9/11 but this time with far more dead such a theme is likely to be present.
 
Sadly. Expect common tropes and stock characters in any pandemic-related media to now include science denying politicians (who push cures that don't work), heroic TV experts who are trying to warn us who are totally not Dr. Fauci, dangerous fake news sources, and middle-aged white women.
Thats going to be a pain in the ass to deal with. Hollywood is not subtitle one bit, so it will be even more cringeworthy then it already is
 
I do expect a lot more movies after 2022(when we finally start to see movies produced and shot in a post-pandemic period) to feature a lot more themes of loneliness isolation and paranoia.Also a far grimmer and darker media landscape.
I don't think that will be about capturing the zeitgeist in major productions, so much as out of economic reality. The box office was already in decline and this is more likely than not to be its death knell; the movies that were in production or were able to complete principal shooting are going to be timed releases for next year's summer box office, and that'll probably be it assuming there is a summer blockbuster season next year and major studios don't just release the major productions early out of necessity. The writing has been on the wall streaming and digital download are the future for a while, with the only real holdouts being blockbusters and award bait; without those, Hollywood is overdue economic shock that will impact filmmaking technique and script choice.

The bottom line is, the genres and styles you cite are cheaper to produce, as they require fewer sets, tighter shooting requirements, less effects work, and smaller casts and crew. The economic, social, and political fallout from the pandemic is going to be far greater and longer-reaching than the outbreak itself, and it's not going to prove an unfair comparison to the Great Depression in the long term. So, how did the Depression affect Hollywood trends?

Escapism was the word of the decade. Historical films, musicals, animated features, and screwball comedies dominated the box office. Gangster and crime films were a vestige of Prohibition, and the Hays code took its toll on both leading to the growth of noir. Ealy talkies gave way to stereo by the end of the decade, but in contrast coloration in film all but stopped for a decade. Hollywood epics died out, to be revived at the end of the decade with Wizard of Oz and Gone with the Wind.

The through-line not being common themes, so much as low production cost.
 
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