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Syaoran Li said:
Not to be "that guy", but there was a recurring character on Billy & Mandy who was more or less a parody of Snake Plisken and he was voiced by Diedrich Bader (AKA Oswald from The Drew Carey Show)
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Fair enough. I had been thinking about the fact that Metal Gear Solid is a few levels of magnitude better known either of the other two, but at least if the character is a regular it makes sense why it would be specifically called out.
 
Screw Danlon said:
Fair enough. I had been thinking about the fact that Metal Gear Solid is a few levels of magnitude better known either of the other two, but at least if the character is a regular it makes sense why it would be specifically called out.
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You might be surprised to know just how popular Grim Adventures was when it first aired, not just with viewers but (and this is what shocked me) with critics. 2 of its animators won Emmy Awards for animation.
 
Well, someone noticed Oats' edits and said that they aren't sure what brought it up. But they've connected it to George Floyd and called him a bigot for doing so.

In unrelated news, I'm microwaving a bag of popcorn.
 
South American Tapir said:
It's been said before in this thread, but the Dethroning Moment pages are nothing but pure autism. Then you have the Dethroning Moment/Advertising page, where the autism is off the charts. Nothing but tropers getting triggered over commercials, of all things.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DethroningMoment/Advertising
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I know it's overdone to accuse TV Tropes of autism but this is one of the sections that is quite literally autistic screeching. There isn't a single entry in there that isn't an autistic tantrum about some obsession of the writer or something that triggered them. And of course MLP has a page for every single season. Surprisingly, there are only two examples for Thomas the Tank Engine. Maybe autists really like everything about that show though.
 
Screw Danlon said:
I hate that every page on TVtropes feels the need to repeat the same 3 or 4 key points about any film or series, but do it 15 times. “Bad Guy“ the villain kills 15 people. ”Moral Event Horizon “the bad guy killed 15 people at once, “Magnificent Bastard” the villain is a handsome dude... but he killed 15 people. on and on.

also, from their Escape from New York page (Which I just watched for the first time yesterday and it was quite good)... One of these things is not like the others.
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I agree. ReBoot is a treasure of Canada and doesn't deserve to be lumped in with the other two.

But yeah, Escape from New York is a good movie whose influence extends to tons of other movies and shows outside of children's cartoons. Kyle Reese from The Terminator is partially inspired by Plisken and the fight in the library between Snake and the gladiator could be compared to countless other films including Arkham City or Doomsday. Point is there are several other shows you could cite for the movies influence beyond a forgotten 90s Canadian show and a popular 2000's Cartoon Network show.
 
LightDragonman1 said:
From the Zootopia YMMV page:


"Harsher in Hindsight: The film deals with social bias and how, unchecked, it leads to profiling, prejudice and stereotyping with often destructive results. The film tries to end on an upbeat note by showing that one can overcome their biases by becoming aware of them and actively working to move past them. Sadly, the year the movie was released saw the election of an administration that actively spread messages of prejudice and stereotyping and used the resulting fear to gain a stranglehold on power. In addition, the years following its release showed rising occurrences of hate crimes and racial profiling plus ever increasing incidents of police brutality."
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They realize that police brutality had actually decreased throughout the years, right? Or, that during Obama's era, it wasn't anywhere near better? Many hate crimes have turned out to be hoaxes. Also, who in their right mind even takes that site seriously anymore since it's degenerated into a smorgasbord of autism where it feels like they're speaking in an entirely new and bizarre dialect? I got so sick and bored of it years ago.

Granted, a lot of police can be assholes if they're payrolled by a politician, but it isn't like their "victims" can be any better.
 
Effluvium said:
They realize that police brutality had actually decreased throughout the years, right? Or, that during Obama's era, it wasn't anywhere near better? Many hate crimes have turned out to be hoaxes. Also, who in their right mind even takes that site seriously anymore since it's degenerated into a smorgasbord of autism where it feels like they're speaking in an entirely new and bizarre dialect? I got so sick and bored of it years ago.

Granted, a lot of police can be assholes if they're payrolled by a politician, but it isn't like their "victims" can be any better.
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When it comes to policing in America the biggest risk is not from casual police brutality but from institutionalised abuse.Pre-9/11 most cases of police abuse were either the result of poorly funded departments,low standards of entry and a police culture that oftentimes still acted like it was 1950.Post-9/11 policing has become increasingly tied to the idea of prevention.Preventing crime which in practice means finding out who is likely to commit a crime and arresting them on trumped up charges is the mantra.As awkward as it is to admit most people arrested for plotting attacks since 9/11 didn't actually do anything beyond being monitored and 'convinced' to carry out attacks by undercover cops.
Now there is a fine line between acceptable undercover work and actual invention of crimes.Unfortunately analyses carried out indicate that most police departments do actually coerce suspects into commiting such attacks and then they arrest them.And before someone says 'i wouldn't be coerced' try and say that if the undercover cop puts a gun to your head and threatens you or your family with death(reports indicate that some undercover work has gotten dangerously close to that level and no judges did not care because counter-terror justifies anything or almost).So yes there are genuine fears when it comes to cops in the US.Pre-9/11 a cop made a career and advanced by catching criminals post-9/11 he makes a career by preventing criminals which in practice means arresting people on minor charges.Most people for 19 years ignored the ever expanding security state because either the ones who were getting arrested were muslims(didn't matter if they were citizens didn't matter if the charges were false) or because the economy was stable enough not to care.
Add to this the complete failure of the War on drugs(its pretty obvious the DEA is heavily involved in this stuff behind the scenes) and you have some good reason not to trust police.Finally the corona recession has pushed people over the edge.NYC is among the safer big cities and people ignored the de facto police state that existed since 9/11 because it was affluent.Once the money stopped rolling violence started because people suddenly remembered that for 19 years the NYPD got steadily stronger and more expansive in its surveillaince to the point NYC is barely below 1984 levels of surveillance.
That's what the riost are really about the security state has gotten ever bigger and ever creepier and people know that a lot of abuse is taking place even if they're not sure about its nature.Things were okish as long as the system at least seemed stable ie most had secure or partially secure jobs.Once that went out the window the security state was the obvious 'enemy'.Of course my attitude is the people allowed this situation in the first place.They were so scared that Al Qaida was gonna get nukes that they completely forgot what they were doing and how their actions were creating a permanent system not a temporary one like in WW2.Now with the benefit of hindsight you can say they fucked up in creating a system that is genuinely creepy but unable to dismantle it anymore without bringing down everything.Too late now.
 
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They don't care, even though that one of them admitted that movie's creators said that was the point of that film, it's too controversial for them.
 
Some of the real life examples of Morton's Fork are really dumb. Especially this one.
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"Every choice has its own drawback" is not the definition of "Morton's Fork". "Morton's Fork" is not synonymous with "dilemma" either. In the "Mythology and Religion" subsection they cite as examples Scylla and Charybdis, and Jesus being asked whether Jews should pay tax to Romans. Both are examples of dilemmas, not Morton Fork.

This is an example of Morton's Fork:
You're not interested in films, TV and Literature? What are you doing on a site that documents these? You should not be reading TV Tropes!
You're interested in films, TV and Literature? Why do you want to see your beloved works of fiction being mangled and callously dismembered? You should not be reading TV Tropes!
 
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Positron said:
This is an example of Morton's Fork:
You're not interested in films, TV and Literature? What are you doing on a site that documents these? You should not be reading TV Tropes!
You're interested in films, TV and Literature? Why do you want to see your beloved works of fiction being mangled and callously dismembered? You should not be reading TV Tropes!
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Do you deny being a racist? Being a racist is so awful that if you don't deny it, it must be because you are one. But if you do deny being a racist, it must be because you're defending your racial privilege and are, therefore, still a racist.
 
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