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Sekirodiealot said:
That wouldn't be surprising. It's like being good in this century is considered heresy
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Btw, TV Tropes users are supportive of the recent censorship over Persona 5:

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"Good, the annoying comic reliefs are gone."

"Maybe the backlash will teach Atlus in general not to write scenes like this? "

"At the end of the day, nobody liked those scenes. LGBT people and their allies hate the homophobia while homophobes hate that there are gay people at all."

"Almost every game Hashino has directed has prominent homophobic and/or transphobic content. It's not just blind conjecture. And if complaints about it reached him personally, I doubt the Japanese release would of gone unaltered if he'd suddenly had a change of heart on the subject. "

"I'm just happy that the version of the game I can buy doesn't have gaybashing in it."

"This move is essentially a confirmation of something we already knew, that Atlus USA does care about these things and wants to try and mitigate the damage. As for Atlus Japan, well the last sign we had of these matters was Catherine Full Body which was criticized for the same insensitivity that previous games showed.

At this point there is a decent chance they might be vaguely aware westerners have a problem with the content in their games, but whether this means that Atlus JP will try to be more delicate with these issues in the future is something that remains to be seen. Them greenlighting this doesn't necessarily mean anything more than "I don't really get it, but fine, just let our US branch do whatever they can to make them happy" which wouldn't really result on any change on their part. And as I said while it's good that Atlus USA cares about these issues, all this does is mask the homophobia of the original product which is still intact and japanese LGBT+ people still have to deal with it which isn't really an ideal situation."

"From my perspective, the best case scenario is that going forward we have an absence of particularly egregious homophobia but not necessarily a presence of positive LGBT+ representation. "

"Hey the sex offenders are gone.That’s dope. It’s something at least."

Yeah, the Tropers take anything that could be seen as "harmful to gay people" really seriously.
 
LightDragonman1 said:
Btw, TV Tropes users are supportive of the recent censorship over Persona 5:

tvtropes.org

Persona series

tvtropes.org tvtropes.org

"Good, the annoying comic reliefs are gone."

"Maybe the backlash will teach Atlus in general not to write scenes like this? "

"At the end of the day, nobody liked those scenes. LGBT people and their allies hate the homophobia while homophobes hate that there are gay people at all."

"Almost every game Hashino has directed has prominent homophobic and/or transphobic content. It's not just blind conjecture. And if complaints about it reached him personally, I doubt the Japanese release would of gone unaltered if he'd suddenly had a change of heart on the subject. "

"I'm just happy that the version of the game I can buy doesn't have gaybashing in it."

"This move is essentially a confirmation of something we already knew, that Atlus USA does care about these things and wants to try and mitigate the damage. As for Atlus Japan, well the last sign we had of these matters was Catherine Full Body which was criticized for the same insensitivity that previous games showed.

At this point there is a decent chance they might be vaguely aware westerners have a problem with the content in their games, but whether this means that Atlus JP will try to be more delicate with these issues in the future is something that remains to be seen. Them greenlighting this doesn't necessarily mean anything more than "I don't really get it, but fine, just let our US branch do whatever they can to make them happy" which wouldn't really result on any change on their part. And as I said while it's good that Atlus USA cares about these issues, all this does is mask the homophobia of the original product which is still intact and japanese LGBT+ people still have to deal with it which isn't really an ideal situation."

"From my perspective, the best case scenario is that going forward we have an absence of particularly egregious homophobia but not necessarily a presence of positive LGBT+ representation. "

"Hey the sex offenders are gone.That’s dope. It’s something at least."

Yeah, the Tropers take anything that could be seen as "harmful to gay people" really seriously.
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What has been censored about the new Persona 5 soft-remaster? I haven't played too much of P5 proper because I prefer mainline SMT.
 
Shaka Brah said:
Fred Rogers was literally a Christian minister. Imagine expecting he wouldn't want to promote biological reality and theological truths in his show.
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LightDragonman1 said:
Btw, TV Tropes users are supportive of the recent censorship over Persona 5:

tvtropes.org

Persona series

tvtropes.org tvtropes.org

"Good, the annoying comic reliefs are gone."

"Maybe the backlash will teach Atlus in general not to write scenes like this? "

"At the end of the day, nobody liked those scenes. LGBT people and their allies hate the homophobia while homophobes hate that there are gay people at all."

"Almost every game Hashino has directed has prominent homophobic and/or transphobic content. It's not just blind conjecture. And if complaints about it reached him personally, I doubt the Japanese release would of gone unaltered if he'd suddenly had a change of heart on the subject. "

"I'm just happy that the version of the game I can buy doesn't have gaybashing in it."

"This move is essentially a confirmation of something we already knew, that Atlus USA does care about these things and wants to try and mitigate the damage. As for Atlus Japan, well the last sign we had of these matters was Catherine Full Body which was criticized for the same insensitivity that previous games showed.

At this point there is a decent chance they might be vaguely aware westerners have a problem with the content in their games, but whether this means that Atlus JP will try to be more delicate with these issues in the future is something that remains to be seen. Them greenlighting this doesn't necessarily mean anything more than "I don't really get it, but fine, just let our US branch do whatever they can to make them happy" which wouldn't really result on any change on their part. And as I said while it's good that Atlus USA cares about these issues, all this does is mask the homophobia of the original product which is still intact and japanese LGBT+ people still have to deal with it which isn't really an ideal situation."

"From my perspective, the best case scenario is that going forward we have an absence of particularly egregious homophobia but not necessarily a presence of positive LGBT+ representation. "

"Hey the sex offenders are gone.That’s dope. It’s something at least."

Yeah, the Tropers take anything that could be seen as "harmful to gay people" really seriously.
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TV tropes has gradually turned into reeeeeeesetera lite. All thats missing are the pedo mods
 
The Great Chandler said:
This is homophobic? Their standards of "what's bigoted" is too high.
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Not to be that guy but as someone who played the game, I can see the homophobia since later those two guys tried to rape Ryuji multiple times cause "ha ha funny"

Like I dislike the scene but it's fucking stupid how people are complaining that it being changed is some major act of censorship hurting the creator's vision and others like the tropers complaining about how it's good because it's giving justice to two unnamed gay predators.

The scene was literally hated and it's being turned into some dumb center of political infighting that it's fucking exceptional.
 
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Truthboi said:
Not to be that guy but as someone who played the scene, I can see the homophobia since later those two guys tried to rape Ryuji multiple times cause "ha ha funny"

Like I dislike the scene but it's fucking stupid how people are complaining that it being changed is some major act of censorship hurting the creator's vision and others like the tropers complaining about how it's good because it's giving justice to two unnamed gay predators.

The scene was literally hated and it's being turned into some dumb center of political infighting that it's fucking exceptional.
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Meh. I’m still suspicious. I’ll believe they changed it out of genuine fan request when they change dumb shit like this.
www.personaproblems.com

How Atlus fails fans of Persona 5

Persona 5 is one of the best JRPGs of the decade. So why is its localization such a mess?
www.personaproblems.com

The translation was by far my biggest gripe with the game, with shit like, “Me near, okay?” and “Yokusaba Pan”
 
Gingervitis said:
Meh. I’m still suspicious. I’ll believe they changed it out of genuine fan request when they change dumb shit like this.
www.personaproblems.com

How Atlus fails fans of Persona 5

Persona 5 is one of the best JRPGs of the decade. So why is its localization such a mess?
www.personaproblems.com

The translation was by far my biggest gripe with the game, with shit like, “Me near, okay?” and “Yokusaba Pan”
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Yeah I mean everyone hated the scene for how creepy it was and people are acting like they changed it for political correctness.
 
Truthboi said:
Not to be that guy but as someone who played the game, I can see the homophobia since later those two guys tried to rape Ryuji multiple times cause "ha ha funny"

Like I dislike the scene but it's fucking stupid how people are complaining that it being changed is some major act of censorship hurting the creator's vision and others like the tropers complaining about how it's good because it's giving justice to two unnamed gay predators.

The scene was literally hated and it's being turned into some dumb center of political infighting that it's fucking exceptional.
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I dont care much for the scene and admittedly it is rather small in the grand scheme of things but Im more worried about the precedent it sets. Im a firm believer that the translationof a game must be 1:1 (or at least incredibly accurate) to the original version. The job of the translator is to understand the original language and transcribe it into english in a way that is accurate but also not clunky. Nothing more nothing less.
 
Gingervitis said:
Meh. I’m still suspicious. I’ll believe they changed it out of genuine fan request when they change dumb shit like this.
www.personaproblems.com

How Atlus fails fans of Persona 5

Persona 5 is one of the best JRPGs of the decade. So why is its localization such a mess?
www.personaproblems.com

The translation was by far my biggest gripe with the game, with shit like, “Me near, okay?” and “Yokusaba Pan”
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"M-Me, near... OK?" is not that far off from the Japanese line ("Chikaku, OK?"). The character saying that is a recovering shut-in who's nervous about being intimate with her new boyfriend, to the point where she's having trouble getting the words out. The alternatives Krammer suggests (on the linked site) would be totally wrong. Additionally, quite a few of the lines he complains about being gibberish are perfectly clear in context, even if they don't sound as natural as they could.
 
Truthboi said:
Not to be that guy but as someone who played the game, I can see the homophobia since later those two guys tried to rape Ryuji multiple times cause "ha ha funny"

Like I dislike the scene but it's fucking stupid how people are complaining that it being changed is some major act of censorship hurting the creator's vision and others like the tropers complaining about how it's good because it's giving justice to two unnamed gay predators.

The scene was literally hated and it's being turned into some dumb center of political infighting that it's fucking exceptional.
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Yeah, it is a dumb scene. The thing that doesn't feel right is why the controversy is all centered on one little moment compared to the whole game? They could at least quietly get rid of the scene. Hell, isn't the game almost four years old now?
 
The Great Chandler said:
Yeah, it is a dumb scene. The thing that doesn't feel right is why the controversy is all centered on one little moment compared to the whole game? They could at least quietly get rid of the scene. Hell, isn't the game almost four years old now?
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I don’t know, probably because of the over the top gay stereotypes I guess cause there isn’t anything major like that in the game, or because ATLUS in the west wanted to get attention to get people to buy the game.

It’s probably not known what the real reason even is.
 
Truthboi said:
I don’t know, probably because of the over the top gay stereotypes I guess cause there isn’t anything major like that in the game, or because ATLUS in the west wanted to get attention to get people to buy the game.

It’s probably not known what the real reason even is.
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The real reason is triggered fags not liking to see negative elements of their lifestyle in media.
 
The amount of people who care about this is less than zero. Leave it to TVTropes to make mountains out of anthills.
 
You know, I think the personal reason why TV Tropes pisses me off too (reason number 3 btw) is because everyone writes as if their own opinion and viewpoint is actual fact. It fucking sucks too because the place fucking tricks me into thinking the place is a site where I can get fucking giddy and spaz out about literary themes and topics about current media and understand with others why and how what we consume as entertainment is just so good or is that way. Instead, we have a place written as if it was made by smug smartass high school graduates that think they have the world by the ass.

Some aspects that reflect largely of this is what fucktard users write on as "explanatory text" if they post up a trope in a work's page, and especially if they fail to analyze and digest, then properly explain what that trope is about. They don't just go "yep"; others go essentially go "well this is confusing and difficult and I won't take the effort because you see I suck the dick of Doug Walker and if it makes me think well that means I have not been properly satiated as a mindless consumer CONSUME PRODUCT CONSUME".

The second is the use of absolutely horrid names for tropes that reflect the failure to be not just intellectually inclined but also mature and as "understanding" they swear to be, existence as snarky two faced smug nerd asshole losers notwithstanding. Magibabble and Technobabble are the worst offenders. It's like it was made by some smarmy faggot who thinks "it's just entertainment man" about people who fawn on about well made fictional worlds but jerks off to shit like Death Battle and top ten lists like a pop culture hipster faggot "nerd".

The third would have to be, as everyone has pointed out, a largely sensationalist and zealous drive to push onto new readers and viewers entertainment and information they want everyone to be "amazed" at, and as I have come across, the kind of fanwhore zealotry that stories of let's players being harrassed over fucking Undertale are made of. I as someone who had an account there mainly for shits and giggles of just cleaning up shit and editing for the fuck of it was banned for.... ???? I have absolutely no fucking idea. I swear that the faggots there are so sphincter tight over anything that they'll scrub out YMMV pages, you know, pages that are well, not for the main page and are interpretive? Now when you have people doing that, that's when you know you have some really anal fuckers there.

To end this raving off, TV Tropes will not ever become the place it sees itself as due to the direction its shit community is going towards. There's absolutely not just really bad behavior and sensationalist consumer autism going round there, it's also a failure to be actually intellectual and analytical and insightful of the art of writing. I'm also not surprised at the amounts of children's and infants show parading out there either. A lot of the faggots there also adore not just Channel Awesome but Mr. Enter, and considering the past of how there are pedophile mods at TV Tropes, that's already checked off.
 
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