Turkey - Let's watch the only halfway decent Middle Eastern country go down the shitter

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So there's a lot of news going on surrounding Turkey lately, especially considering its EU hopeful status and """""President""""" Erdogan and his party, the AKP's, increasing attempts to Islamize the traditionally secular country.

If you're unaware, Erdogan is basically a gigantic lolcow and rising dictator who somehow managed to become President. Since becoming President in August 2014, he has filed at least 1,845 court cases against individuals for insulting him. He also arrested someone over a fucking meme, pressured Merkel into prosecuting a German comedian who mocked him, has compared birth control to treason because Muslim women must have children, and, upon being told that he couldn't speak at Muhammad Ali's funeral, threw a fit and refused to go.

Other recent happenings in Turkey:
Anyway, I was inspired to create this thread after reading this article:

With President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan at the helm in Turkey, there’s no need for anyone else in the country to engage in politics, presidential adviser Yiğit Bulut has said.

“There is already a leader in this country and he is engaging in politics. There is no need for anyone else to engage in politics. He is engaging in politics both at home and abroad. Our duty is to support the leader in this country,” Bulut, Erdoğan’s chief economy adviser, said during a program on state television TRT Haber on June 14.

Bulut also criticized recent student protests in many high schools and universities.

“You are hitting each other’s heads as if it was the Stone Age. What is the thing you cannot share?” Bulut said.

Bulut, a former news anchor and editor-in-chief of the private broadcaster 24 TV, was appointed as then-Prime Minister Erdoğan’s chief adviser in July 2013 during which time he unraveled a vast and nefarious international conspiracy to assassinate Erdoğan “using telekinesis.” After Erdoğan’s election as president in August 2014, he was appointed as his chief adviser on economics.
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Okay, so...
  • Apparently only the Sultan dictator President can engage in politics, everyone else needs to shut the fuck up. That's super comforting to hear from the presidential advisor.
  • "Our duty is to support the leader in this country" That's funny, here in the West, we believe that it's the leader's duty to support the people, not vice versa.
  • “You are hitting each other’s heads as if it was the Stone Age. What is the thing you cannot share?” This probably made a lot more sense in Turkish because I have no idea what the fuck this lunatic is saying.
  • "During which time he unraveled a vast and nefarious international conspiracy to assassinate Erdoğan 'using telekinesis.' After Erdoğan’s election as president in August 2014, he was appointed as his chief adviser on economics." :story::story::story:
 
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Lmao, Erdogan just pulled the Islamophobia card to explain why Turkey isn't part of the EU yet.

Erdogan: EU doesn't want Turkey because 'majority is Muslim'

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says Europe doesn't want his country to join the EU because the majority of the nation's population is Muslim. He said his government will ask the public whether negotiations with Brussels should continue.

"Europe, you don't want us because the majority of our population are Muslim...we knew it but we tried to show our sincerity," Erdogan said at a graduation ceremony in Istanbul on Wednesday, as quoted by Reuters.

The comments were made on the eve of Britain's historic 'Brexit' vote, in which UK citizens will decide whether to remain part of the EU.

Referring to Britain's vote, Erdogan stated that Turkey could also hold a referendum on the EU.

"We will go and ask the public whether we should continue negotiations with the EU," Erdogan said.

His comments come as European populist leaders and campaigners supporting Britain's exit from the EU warn of creeping Islamization and ill consequences if Turkey ever joined the bloc.

Talks on possible EU membership for Turkey have been taking place since 1963, when Ankara and Brussels drafted an association agreement stating the country would aim to be a member of the bloc. After formally applying in 1987, Turkey began accession talks in 2005. However, Turkey has since made little progress to meet the necessary criteria, despite a flurry of early reforms.

A new phase in Ankara's negotiations to join the bloc will take place on June 30, when Turkish and EU officials meet to discuss “financial and budgetary provisions” that Turkey must meet to become a member, AP reported.

Meanwhile, Ankara and Brussels continue to negotiate a deal which would grant Turkish citizens the right to travel to the EU visa-free, if Ankara fulfills a list of 72 conditions laid out by the bloc.

The agreement is part of a wider migrant deal which would see the return of all illegal migrants reaching Greece from Turkey's shores. In exchange, the EU would take in thousands of Syrian refugees directly from Turkey. The EU would also give €6 billion (US$6.8 billion) in funding over the next five years.

However, a key sticking point of the EU conditions is Turkey's strict anti-terror laws, which Europe says must be loosened for the agreement to go ahead. Turkey says the laws cannot be changed due to the threat posed by Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL), other terrorists, and Kurdish militants.

"A change of attitude is out of the question," Yasin Aktay, deputy chairman of Turkey's ruling AK Party, told Reuters.

Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Mehmet Simsek said last week that "Europe needs Turkey if it wants to have a stronger say in international affairs in this geography, if it wants energy supply security, if it wants even overall security," he said.

"It is in our interests to remain anchored to Europe, and it is in Europe’s interests to keep Turkey firmly anchored to Europe,”Simsek added.

Erdogan has repeatedly threatened to pull out of the migrant deal if visa-free travel isn't granted to Turkish citizens by July 1.

But despite the bumpy negotiations, EU leaders have warned that threats from Turkey will not achieve results.

Some European leaders also believe Turkey isn't in such a strong position, noting that Ankara's relations with Russia, the US, Syria, Iran, and Israel are strained – meaning it needs better relations with the EU.

"We feel that we have the leverage. We are not solely in the hands of Turkey," an unnamed EU official told Reuters.

The Turkey-EU migrant deal is highly sought-after by Europe, as it continues to face the worst refugee crisis since World War II. More than a million asylum seekers reached the continent in 2015, most of whom hailed from war-torn Syria, where around 250,000 people have been killed and more than 12 million displaced since 2011, according to UN figures.
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Or maybe the EU doesn't want Turkey because
  • Turkey isn't even a fucking European country, culturally or geographically. 97% of its territory lies in Asia.
  • Turkey is illegally occupying Cyprus, a country that belongs the EU. The EU does not recognize the self-declared Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.
  • The strictly secular EU really isn't crazy about the increasing Islamization of Turkey. It's not because they're full of racists who hate Muslims, it's just that Islamist countries fucking suck and no one wants to be contaminated by them. Erdogan seems pretty intent on recreating the Ottoman Empire with himself as the Sultan, and that shit doesn't fly in Europe. Especially considering the history many countries have with the Ottoman Empire.
  • Turkey's human rights record is atrocious. The Turkish state has been actively persecuting the Kurds for decades, as well as other minorities such as Armenians, Christians, Jews, and atheists.
  • Turkey's freedom of speech and freedom of the press is a joke, with more and more journalists being arrested for criticizing the government.
  • Turkey is dead-set on not recognizing the Armenian Genocide, as seen with the recent debacle with Germany. Considering the countries of the EU (especially Germany) are big on owning up to their historical mistakes, this doesn't sit well with them.
  • Turkey joining the EU could make the migrant crisis much worse (as could the deal that would let 80 million Turks travel through Europe visa-free), as any migrant can get a fake Turkish ID.
  • Not only is Turkey's human rights horrible, it's getting worse, not better. Erdogan and his party, the AKP, continue to crack down on free speech, media freedom, and other human rights.
  • The government in Ankara has so far only completed one of the 35 chapters required to become a member of the bloc. At the current rate of progress, Turkey would be ready to join the EU in "about the year 3000," Cameron joked recently.
Oh, wait, I'm sorry, the only reason why Turkey hasn't been welcomed into the EU is because of Islamophobia. Everyone in Europe is a bunch of Islamophobics who have absolutely no reason to distrust Turkey. Of course.
 
Cosmos said:
Lmao, Erdogan just pulled the Islamophobia card to explain why Turkey isn't part of the EU yet.

Erdogan: EU doesn't want Turkey because 'majority is Muslim'



Or maybe the EU doesn't want Turkey because
  • Turkey isn't even a fucking European country, culturally or geographically. 97% of its territory lies in Asia.
  • Turkey is illegally occupying Cyprus, a country that belongs the EU. The EU does not recognize the self-declared Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.
  • The strictly secular EU really isn't crazy about the increasing Islamization of Turkey. It's not because they're full of racists who hate Muslims, it's just that Islamist countries fucking suck and no one wants to be contaminated by them. Erdogan seems pretty intent on recreating the Ottoman Empire with himself as the Sultan, and that shit doesn't fly in Europe. Especially considering the history many countries have with the Ottoman Empire.
  • Turkey's human rights record is atrocious. The Turkish state has been actively persecuting the Kurds for decades, as well as other minorities such as Armenians, Christians, Jews, and atheists.
  • Turkey's freedom of speech and freedom of the press is a joke, with more and more journalists being arrested for criticizing the government.
  • Turkey is dead-set on not recognizing the Armenian Genocide, as seen with the recent debacle with Germany. Considering the countries of the EU (especially Germany) are big on owning up to their historical mistakes, this doesn't sit well with them.
  • Turkey joining the EU could make the migrant crisis much worse (as could the deal that would let 80 million Turks travel through Europe visa-free), as any migrant can get a fake Turkish ID.
  • Not only is Turkey's human rights horrible, it's getting worse, not better. Erdogan and his party, the AKP, continue to crack down on free speech, media freedom, and other human rights.
  • The government in Ankara has so far only completed one of the 35 chapters required to become a member of the bloc. At the current rate of progress, Turkey would be ready to join the EU in "about the year 3000," Cameron joked recently.
Oh, wait, I'm sorry, the only reason why Turkey hasn't been welcomed into the EU is because of Islamophobia. Everyone in Europe is a bunch of Islamophobics who have absolutely no reason to distrust Turkey. Of course.
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It'll be a moot point anyway if Frexit and Belgexit (wow these names just get stupider and stupider) happens too.
 
I don't know, Germany seems to want to get contaminated with them, and so does the Eu. At least the leadership does at any rate.
 
Cosmos said:
Not quite, unfortunately. A lot of Turks support Erdogan. From what I understand, people who live in the cities are generally liberal and hate Islamist policies, but the poor and uneducated in the underdeveloped villages are the opposite. I also heard that the AKP got people in said villages to vote for them by giving them free coal.

But yeah, unfortunately there are still a lot of Islamists in Turkey who want to undermine secularism. Erdogan is doing that for them.
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The poor and uneducated are always easy to manipulate.

Ntwadumela said:
He is literally the Middle East's answer to the Kim Jong dynasty in North Korea. This is also proof that Kuwait's better than Turkey despite Turkey having a lot of beautiful cities and being bigger. At least we don't have lolcows like they do.
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At long as your country stays educated and well-informed.
 
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Ntwadumela said:
He is literally the Middle East's answer to the Kim Jong dynasty in North Korea. This is also proof that Kuwait's better than Turkey despite Turkey having a lot of beautiful cities and being bigger. At least we don't have lolcows like they do.
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It's not hard tbh. Turkey is shit at literally everything.

They're even shit at being shit since the refuse to just say "fuck it" like rest of the middle east and officially regress into the fucking middle ages. Instead opting to pretend that they're a real country by joining the EU. They can't even get that right.
 
Strelok said:
It'll be a moot point anyway if Frexit and Belgexit (wow these names just get stupider and stupider) happens too.
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I think the Greeks may have another go at it. It's hard to think of a country that has had its national sovereignty more insulted by unaccountable, arrogant EU bureaucrats.
 
Cosmos said:
Lmao, Erdogan just pulled the Islamophobia card to explain why Turkey isn't part of the EU yet.

Erdogan: EU doesn't want Turkey because 'majority is Muslim'



Or maybe the EU doesn't want Turkey because
  • Turkey isn't even a fucking European country, culturally or geographically. 97% of its territory lies in Asia.
  • Turkey is illegally occupying Cyprus, a country that belongs the EU. The EU does not recognize the self-declared Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.
  • The strictly secular EU really isn't crazy about the increasing Islamization of Turkey. It's not because they're full of racists who hate Muslims, it's just that Islamist countries fucking suck and no one wants to be contaminated by them. Erdogan seems pretty intent on recreating the Ottoman Empire with himself as the Sultan, and that shit doesn't fly in Europe. Especially considering the history many countries have with the Ottoman Empire.
  • Turkey's human rights record is atrocious. The Turkish state has been actively persecuting the Kurds for decades, as well as other minorities such as Armenians, Christians, Jews, and atheists.
  • Turkey's freedom of speech and freedom of the press is a joke, with more and more journalists being arrested for criticizing the government.
  • Turkey is dead-set on not recognizing the Armenian Genocide, as seen with the recent debacle with Germany. Considering the countries of the EU (especially Germany) are big on owning up to their historical mistakes, this doesn't sit well with them.
  • Turkey joining the EU could make the migrant crisis much worse (as could the deal that would let 80 million Turks travel through Europe visa-free), as any migrant can get a fake Turkish ID.
  • Not only is Turkey's human rights horrible, it's getting worse, not better. Erdogan and his party, the AKP, continue to crack down on free speech, media freedom, and other human rights.
  • The government in Ankara has so far only completed one of the 35 chapters required to become a member of the bloc. At the current rate of progress, Turkey would be ready to join the EU in "about the year 3000," Cameron joked recently.
Oh, wait, I'm sorry, the only reason why Turkey hasn't been welcomed into the EU is because of Islamophobia. Everyone in Europe is a bunch of Islamophobics who have absolutely no reason to distrust Turkey. Of course.
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If I remember correctly, don't several countries in the Balkans have big populations of Muslims as well? Aren't some of them in the European Union?
 
Trilby said:
I know Croatia and Slovenia are, but they're mostly Christian.
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Even then, it goes to show that the "Islamophobia card" doesn't apply to the reason why Turkey isn't in the EU
 
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