Opinion Trump’s antifa crackdown is actually pretty fascist

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Trump’s antifa crackdown is actually pretty fascist

President Donald Trump announced late Wednesday that he would designate antifa as a domestic terrorist organization. There’s just one problem—actually, several: antifa isn’t an organization; the far right commits far more political violence; and Trump likely doesn’t have the power to do it anyway.

“I am pleased to inform our many U.S.A. Patriots that I am designating ANTIFA, A SICK DANGEROUS, RADICAL LEFT DISASTER, AS A MAJOR TERRORIST ORGANIZATION,” Trumpwrote on Truth Social. “I will also be strongly recommending that those funding ANTIFA be thoroughly investigated in accordance with the highest legal standards and practices.”

A White House official doubled down, telling CNN the move was “one of many actions the president will take to address left-wing organizations that fuel political violence.”

But like many of Trump’s headline-grabbing pronouncements, it’s unclear how he could even pull this off. Antifa—short for “anti-fascist”—is a loose social movement, not a formal organization. There’s no leadership, membership rolls, or even a headquarters. The ADL notes that “because there is no unifying body for antifa, it is impossible to know how many adherents are currently active.” That makes it nearly impossible to know who, exactly, Trump is targeting.

The term antifa generally describes a broad set of people whose politics lean left—often far left—but whodon’t necessarily align with the Democratic Party platform. Some groups meet regularly in certain states, but there’s nothing resembling a national structure.

Even if Trump could find someone to target, the legal foundation for such a move is shaky at best. Only the secretary of state can designate foreign groups as terrorist organizations. There’s no parallel process for domestic groups. During Trump’s first term, Mary McCord, a former senior official at the Department of Justice, told Al Jazeerathat there was no procedure for “designating domestic organizations as terrorist organizations” and warned such efforts would raise “significant First Amendment concerns.”

This isn’t Trump’s first attempt to paint antifa as terrorist. Back in May 2020, during the nationwide protests over the police murder of George Floyd, he announced plans to make the designation and then-Attorney General Bill Barr said he’d treat antifa violence as domestic terrorism. But months later, FBI Director Chris Wraytold Congress that “antifa is an ideology, not a group or organization,” a statement which earned him a public rebuke from Trump.

And the data doesn’t back up Trump’s claims. Counterprotesters acting under the antifa banner havesometimes turned violent, but left-wing extremists account for a fraction of political violence in the U.S. Between 1975 and September 2025, right-wing extremists were responsible for 391 murders, according to the Cato Institute. Left-wing extremists were responsible for 65.

Trump’s new push comes in the wake of conservative activist Charlie Kirk’s killing, which has set off a firestorm on the right. Even before the shooter was identified, prominent conservatives were calling for “war”against the left. A 22-year-old man has since been charged with murder, allegedly admitting in text messages that he killed Kirk because of his “hatred,” but his exact motive remains unclear. So far, there’s no evidence connecting him to antifa.

That hasn’t stopped Trump officials from signaling a broader crackdown. White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller said the administration plans to “channel all of the anger that we have over the organized campaign that led to this assassination, to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks.”

Trump, for his part, has floatedrevoking tax-exempt status for liberal nonprofits.

“Antifa is terrible. There are other groups,” Trump said Monday in the Oval Office. “We have some pretty radical groups, and they got away with murder,” he added, without offering any examples or evidence.

He also said he and Attorney General Pam Bondi have been discussing racketeering charges against left-wing groups he accuses of promoting violence.

“I’ve asked Pam to look into that in terms of RICO, bringing RICO cases,” Trump said. “They should be put in jail. What they’re doing to this country is really subversive.”

The crackdown doesn’t stop there. Bondi briefly suggested prosecuting“hateful speech” before backtracking. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has begun suspending military service members who posted negative comments about Kirk online. And Vice President JD Vance even encouraged Americans to call the employers of people who criticized Kirk in the wake of his death.

Designating any domestic group as a terrorist organization would be an unprecedented step and would almost certainly face legal challenges—but Trump has never let that stop him. All 219 terrorist groupsdesignated by the State Department are foreign entities, and there’s a reason for that: The law was designed to prevent U.S. presidents from wielding this power against their political opponents at home.

But Trump isn’t worried about the legal fight—he’s focused on the spectacle. Announce the most extreme solution, force everyone to react, and see what sticks. The courtroom isn’t his endgame: intimidation is.
 
Also can't you make the exact argument on the KKK?

The KKK is filled with larpers and twinks. Ive met one and the opinion from him is its retarded. He was far more active in his gun range community (that included minorities) that was right-wing than his KKK clan because of how negative the public views them.

TBH gun ranges in America are the only places I actively talk to strangers and make friends with. Since all of use have somehow similar opinions.
 
It depends on the structure of the organization. Using your ISIS example is actually very prudent, because ISIS is about two dozen different groups across half the world, all with their own totally independent organization structures which all commit to the common goal of a Sunni global caliphate. It's compartmentalized. Antifa you can argue is very similar in that there are many, many totally independent cells with only incidental overlap between some of them. There is no Antifa grand wizard, there is no Antifa president, there is no Antifa war council. You cannot decapitate Antifa. What you would have to do is target each individual cell and hit those independently. There's also no membership requirements. Print out some stickers and put on a balaclava and boom, you're Antifa. Same way that some dude who reads some shit online, converts to Islam, and slams a truck into a parade can pledge his allegiance to ISIS with literally zero prior contact with members of ISIS. Your example of the Klan doesn't really work, because although after the 1915 reorganization of the Klan into local autonomous klaverns, there was a centralized command network, headed by the grand wizard. There is no grand wizard of Antifa. In order to join the Klan, you need to apply and be accepted.

See above. It's an organization in the same way that juggalos are a gang. There is no shot caller for the juggalos, there's no sergeant at arms ordering hits or keeping people in line, it's just a bunch of pieces of shit which recognize other pieces of shit as being aligned for the same purpose most of the time.
Nigga they use mafia tactics and we have RICO for this shit. I hope they go ass-to-mouth on you when they take you to the black site.
 
I mean, what's more fascist than going after a group that calls itself anti-fascist?! Right! (Ignore those burning cars and black eyes that follow in the wake of the anti-fascists, none of that is their fault)
The right-wing violence also includes crimes committed for reasons that have nothing to do with ideology, such as a white nationalist beating his wife or white nationalist gang members killing a snitch.
Any casual glance at that study can see the fundamental dishonesty...

A KKK member getting into a drunken car crash that kills his buddy riding along is counted in the "white nationalism" body count.

While the assassin of Charlie Kirk and every Tranny school shooter is said to have motives that are "unclear".
 
ut like many of Trump’s headline-grabbing pronouncements, it’s unclear how he could even pull this off. Antifa—short for “anti-fascist”—is a loose social movement, not a formal organization. There’s no leadership, membership rolls, or even a headquarters.

The author might want to take a look at the RICO laws and the seditious conspiracy laws. And how the latter were used in the 1/6 cases. The whole 1/6 legal process showed how being a loose social movement offers little legal protection if the weight of the federal government decides to drop on someone.
 
loose social movement
Like I said, the most likely way to get them to stick is to go after specific cells. For instance, the John Brown Gun Club. That's what Biden did. He went after the Proud Boys and all of the groups individually, he didn't group them all together and prosecute them as a single entity. You can use the circumstantial evidence of them being tied to "Antifa" as a movement and other Antifa cells or organizations, but I think it would be shaky at best to go after people with RICO and other organizational laws just because "they are Antifa" alone. I think there's a good chance a lot of people who otherwise are guilty of the charges could be let off the hook.
Nigga they use mafia tactics and we have RICO for this shit. I hope they go ass-to-mouth on you when they take you to the black site.
Thanks for missing the point, retard.
 
He's right though. This has always been the problem with combatting Antifa. There is no centralization, there is no membership list.
There's no membership list for racism neither but try citing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or calling an annoying co-worker a nigger and see how hard you get hit by the long dong of the US Law.

Even IF there's no centralization (there fucking is- no one just casually coordinates 10 cars to stop an ICE truck), you can make examples of agitating fucksticks the same way you make an example out of people who criticize Israel.
 
There's no membership list for racism
Yeah, which is why there's been no RICO case called "USA v Racism Inc."
there fucking is- no one just casually coordinates 10 cars to stop an ICE truck
Again, this was likely a local cell. You can go after the cell. There's no national or large scale centralization. I specifically pointed out that the move is to go after the individual cells. Also, come on man, the Protocols? If you want to be taken seriously you can't bring up the Protocols.
 
Andy Ngo had a post on his Substack on what Trump can actually do. Said he made it to temper expectations.

He said the thing to pay attention to was Trump mentioning the use of RICO to prosecute Antifa-' something that wss done in California.
That's actually a good idea. It's what they used to take down the mob, and it's being used on a lot of gangs currently. RICO charges have such harsh sentences that it gets a lot of people to turn against their groups just to avoid the prison sentences.

I think the only problem would be that antifa doesn't really have the body count of gangs. Plenty of destruction and criminal activity, but not enough deliberate murder. Still, I don’t think that many antifa types are willing to serve any time for their actions; they're used to not having prison be a possibility at all.
 
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