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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is pulling all 2,000 U.S. troops out of Syria, officials announced Wednesday as the president suddenly declared victory over the Islamic State, contradicting his own experts’ assessments and sparking surprise and outrage from his party’s lawmakers who called his action rash and dangerous.

The U.S. began airstrikes in Syria in 2014, and ground troops moved in the following year to battle the Islamic State, or ISIS, and train Syrian rebels in a country torn apart by civil war. Trump abruptly declared their mission accomplished in a tweet.

“We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency,” he said as Vice President Mike Pence met with top leaders at the Pentagon. U.S. officials said many details of the troop withdrawal had not yet been finalized, but they expect American forces to be out by mid-January.

Later Wednesday, Trump posted a video on Twitter in which he said is “heartbreaking” to have to write letters and make calls to the loved ones of those killed in battle. “Now it’s time for our troops to come back home,” he said.

A senior administration official, speaking to reporters on condition of anonymity, said Trump made the decision based on his belief that U.S. troops have no role in Syria beyond combatting Islamic State, whose fighters are now believed to hold about 1 percent of the territory they did at the peak of their power.

The president informed Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of his decision in a telephone call, the official said. Turkey has recently warned that it would launch combat operations across its southern border into northeastern Syria against Kurdish forces who have been allied with the U.S. in the fight against the Islamic State.

Trump’s declaration of victory was far from unanimous, and officials said U.S. defense and military leaders were trying to dissuade him from ordering the withdrawal right up until the last minute. His decision immediately triggered demands from Congress — including leading Republicans — for more information and a formal briefing on the matter. Sen. Lindsay Graham of South Carolina, just returned from Afghanistan, said he was meeting with Defense Secretary Jim Mattis late in the day.

Graham, typically a Trump backer, said he was “blindsided” by the report and called the decision “a disaster in the making.” He said, “The biggest winners in this are ISIS and Iran.”

The decision will fulfill Trump’s long-stated goal of bringing troops home from Syria, but military leaders have pushed back for months, arguing that the IS group remains a threat and could regroup in Syria’s long-running civil war. U.S. policy has been to keep troops in place until the extremists are eradicated.

The senior administration official said American forces would still work with allies to fight the Islamic State or other extremists in the country but gave no details on what that might entail.

Another official said it still is not clear to defense leaders whether U.S. airstrikes against IS insurgents will continue in Syria after the American troops leave. U.S. military officials worry that American-backed Kurdish troops will be targeted by Turkey and the Syrian government, leaving no ally on the ground to help direct the strikes.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who remains concerned about Iranian efforts in the area, reacted in noncommittal fashion after talking with Trump by telephone.

“This is, of course, an American decision,” he said. No matter what, he said, “we will safeguard the security of Israel and protect ourselves from this arena.”

Leading Republican senators reacted with displeasure to the news.

Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida said the withdrawal would be a “grave error” and that Kurdish fighters will stop fighting the Islamic State when they must confront Turkish troops crossing the border into Syria.

“This is a bad idea because it goes against the fight against ISIS and potentially helps ISIS,” he said, warning it could trigger a broader conflict in the region.

Just last week, the U.S. special envoy to the anti-ISIS coalition, Brett McGurk, said U.S. troops would remain in Syria even after the Islamic State was driven from its strongholds.

“I think it’s fair to say Americans will remain on the ground after the physical defeat of the caliphate, until we have the pieces in place to ensure that that defeat is enduring,” McGurk told reporters on Dec. 11. “Nobody is declaring a mission accomplished. Defeating a physical caliphate is one phase of a much longer-term campaign.”

And two weeks ago Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the U.S. still has a long way to go in training local Syrian forces to prevent a resurgence of IS and stabilize the country. He said it will take 35,000 to 40,000 local troops in northeastern Syria to maintain security over the long term, but only about 20 percent of that number have been trained.

Trump’s national security adviser, John Bolton, said in September that the U.S. would keep a military presence in Syria as long as Iran was active there. “We’re not going to leave as long as Iranian troops are outside Iranian borders and that includes Iranian proxies and militias,” he said.

James Stavridis, a former Navy admiral who served as top NATO commander, tweeted Wednesday that “Pulling troops out of Syria in an ongoing fight is a big mistake. Like walking away from a forest fire that is still smoldering underfoot. Big winner is Iran, then Russia, then Assad. Wrong move.”

The withdrawal decision, however, is likely to be viewed positively by Turkey, and comes following several conversations between Trump and Erdogan over the past several weeks. The two spoke at the G-20 summit in Argentina and in a phone call last Friday.

Erdogan said Monday he had gotten “positive answers” from Trump on the situation in northeast Syria where he has been threatening a new operation against the American-backed Syrian Kurdish fighters.

Just hours before the withdrawal decision became public, the State Department announced late Tuesday that it had approved the sale of a $3.5 billion Patriot missile defense system to Turkey. The Turks had complained that the U.S. was slow walking requests for air defenses, and they had signed a deal with Russia to buy a sophisticated system in a deal that Washington and Ankara’s other NATO partners strongly opposed.

Completion of that deal with Russia for the S-400 system would have opened up Turkey to possible U.S. sanctions and driven a major wedge between the allies. It was not immediately clear if there was a connection between the Patriot sale and the decision on U.S. troops.

Although the withdrawal decision doesn’t signal an end to the American-led coalition’s fight against the Islamic State, it will likely erode U.S. leadership of that 31-nation effort. The administration had been preparing to host a meeting of coalition foreign ministers early next year.

“The bottom line is that the American withdrawal from eastern Syria will create a power vacuum that will lead to a new phase of international conflict in Syria,” said Jennifer Cafarella, a Syria expert at the Institute for the Study of War.

She predicted that the Russians, the Iranians, Syrian President Bashar Assad and the Turks will compete for the terrain and resources previously under U.S. control “at the expense of” the Syrian Kurds who have partnered with U.S. forces against IS.

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Associated Press writers Susannah George and Catherine Lucey contributed to this report.
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Not gonna lie, former Trump supporter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes
 
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I feel for the Kurds, but they aren't our problem and are making problems for us with their idiotic communist terrorist attacks. Let them just retreat back into the part of Iraq we cut out for them.

From what I read, US troops being in Iran were basically like the middlemen between ISIS and the civilans? Like keeping the region in check? With them leaving, that could potentially mean ISIS would reignite, according to the article?
Lol we were arming and training ISIS and Al-Qaeda affiliates until Trump shut that shit down. Assad, Putin, Iran, and Turkey are more than capable of dealing with the remnants of ISIS now that they have a free hand in the region and the hard work is done. The only reason the (((MSM))) is freaking out about pulling out of Syria is because Iran will now extend their power into a country neighboring Israel, somewhat ironically the inverse of why the (((MSM))) is freaking out about the US pulling out of Afghanistan. We just gave Israel 40bn USD, let them handle it.

Dumb move, honestly. Erdogan is going to sweep in and take out the Kurds, and ISIS will begin to regain ground as a result. I hope Europe has its rectum prepared for a new round of refugees. Plus you've got the Iran and Russia factor.

I just don't get it. His base was not and will not be upset over a relatively small number of troops there. I'm not sure who he's trying to placate here. Anti-war isolationists aren't going to suddenly embrace him for doing this.

I mean, of course we don't want to be there. But when you inherit a mess, sometimes you just have to grin and bear it.
There will be less legitimate refugees now that Turkey, Iran, Russia, and Assad have consolidated power. Syria is not our problem, and neither is the rest of the Middle East. If Europe is really that scared and has feels over the poor refugees, they can send troops. Use your EU army. It isn't my problem.

Anti-war isolationists and his base do indeed love and want the pullout going on/being signaled.
The pushback you're seeing isn't even astroturf. It's pure commentariat.
Happy Hanukkah neocons

Edit: NYT editorial board is so consistent. Truly the paper of record
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The usual suspects, from supposed "progressives" who have a long history of approving of long, drawn out conflicts with nebulous, ill-defined shifting goals and "neoconservative" scum like this.

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I don't know, I guess it's just a total coincidence he constantly does stuff Putin just loves. And that Putin even calls him by his first name publicly.

MOSCOW — President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia on Thursday welcomed President Trump’s announcement of a withdrawal of American troops from Syria, calling it “the right decision.”
Putin doesnt want a puppet he just wants to cause chaos for the west and Trump is doing that. Trump doesnt need to be a puppet he just needs to be himself.
 
the pinkos demanding we stay in Afghanistan and Syria, hemorrhaging men and money and equipment, that's hilarious.

They're a regular feature of Canadian and British politics. As far as the liberals are concerned, any intervention is ok as long as the international community gives the A-OK. Canada had troops off the shore of Iraq and it was only the lack of a UN mandate that kept them back.

The British labor party actually brought the UK into Iraq. Mainstream libs are all about humanitarian wars and you're a racist if you think these wars do more harm than good. Heck, after the Gulf War the Bush Sr. government was criticized by liberals for not going all in and "saving the kurds".
 
The only reason the (((MSM))) is freaking out about pulling out of Syria is because Iran will now extend their power into a country neighboring Israel
It's not even letting them extend their reach, Syria has always been an affiliate with Iran, along with Lebanon. The US withdrawing is reaffirming the status quo, nobody wins, nobody loses. But people seem absolutely livid at the idea of Russia maintaining a Middle eastern ally they have had since the French withdrew in 1946. Considering Ukraine just recently cut most ties with Russia, I don't see the particular need to sacrifice lives and money to fight the Syrians, Russians, and Iranians in Syria. It's not like Russia is extending their reach much.
 
It's not even letting them extend their reach, Syria has always been an affiliate with Iran, along with Lebanon. The US withdrawing is reaffirming the status quo, nobody wins, nobody loses. But people seem absolutely livid at the idea of Russia maintaining a Middle eastern ally they have had since the French withdrew in 1946. Considering Ukraine just recently cut most ties with Russia, I don't see the particular need to sacrifice lives and money to fight the Syrians, Russians, and Iranians in Syria. It's not like Russia is extending their reach much.
For some reason people have always inordinately freaked out about the Russians getting access to warm-water ports. Like they would even be able to threaten anything in the Western Mediterranean when they have trouble moving ships from the Black Sea Fleet to Tartus without suffering multiple mechanical breakdowns along the way.
 
For some reason people have always inordinately freaked out about the Russians getting access to warm-water ports. Like they would even be able to threaten anything in the Western Mediterranean when they have trouble moving ships from the Black Sea Fleet to Tartus without suffering multiple mechanical breakdowns along the way.

Huh? That threat is way old and imo completely irrelevant nowadays considering that Russian subs is and will always present a greater naval threat and the Russians have how many aircraft carriers? The Russian navy outside their submarine force is a complete joke.
 
The Russian navy outside their submarine force is a complete joke.

And a reminder that the Russian fleet is considered the "we don't fuck around" serious part of the russian armed forces who generally keep their ship in order best they can despite the complete lack of budget.
 
Huh? That threat is way old and imo completely irrelevant nowadays considering that Russian subs is and will always present a greater naval threat and the Russians have how many aircraft carriers? The Russian navy outside their submarine force is a complete joke.
Has any other navy had the same nuclear submarine sink twice?
 
The longer we remain in Syria, the higher possibility for an international incident with Russia, Iran and China. We're already lucky we didn't kill any Russians (the oil field incident doesn't count. the US called up the Russians and went 'Yo, any of your dudes attacking?' 'Nope' 'Ok, then we're killing everyone' 'K, bye'). It may have been by proxy by Putin, but it doesn't matter. They were mercs and nobody gives a shit about mercs because they wear no colors.

Progtards are pissed because they wanted to kill that nasty, nasty Assad (which was never going to happen). Neo-Cons are pissed because we're giving up a sphere of influence. ISIS itself has been reduced to cinders, and with the Russians, Iranians and Chinese there (who really don't care about the Geneva convention or the human rights of terrorists) it'll be stamped out with a boot. Compared to the way we've been treating them, we'll feel like a feather than what is about to happen to them once we and our observers leave.

But still, I'm tired of endless wars. Afghanistan is not going to change without trillions of dollars. Every empire that goes there dies, its the graveyard of empires. The sooner we check out the better IMO. We haven't been able to do shit there. And if Europe is so concerned, they're the ones that split the region up in the first place so they could exploit its resources. We've just been dealing with most of it. Let them do it for fucking once.

People REALLY expect us to get in a pissing match with Russia, Iran and China over fucking Syria? Fuck off. Give me a fucking break. That's fucktarded. That's how you start World Wars children. Pissing matches over irrelevant countries.
 
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