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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is pulling all 2,000 U.S. troops out of Syria, officials announced Wednesday as the president suddenly declared victory over the Islamic State, contradicting his own experts’ assessments and sparking surprise and outrage from his party’s lawmakers who called his action rash and dangerous.

The U.S. began airstrikes in Syria in 2014, and ground troops moved in the following year to battle the Islamic State, or ISIS, and train Syrian rebels in a country torn apart by civil war. Trump abruptly declared their mission accomplished in a tweet.

“We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency,” he said as Vice President Mike Pence met with top leaders at the Pentagon. U.S. officials said many details of the troop withdrawal had not yet been finalized, but they expect American forces to be out by mid-January.

Later Wednesday, Trump posted a video on Twitter in which he said is “heartbreaking” to have to write letters and make calls to the loved ones of those killed in battle. “Now it’s time for our troops to come back home,” he said.

A senior administration official, speaking to reporters on condition of anonymity, said Trump made the decision based on his belief that U.S. troops have no role in Syria beyond combatting Islamic State, whose fighters are now believed to hold about 1 percent of the territory they did at the peak of their power.

The president informed Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of his decision in a telephone call, the official said. Turkey has recently warned that it would launch combat operations across its southern border into northeastern Syria against Kurdish forces who have been allied with the U.S. in the fight against the Islamic State.

Trump’s declaration of victory was far from unanimous, and officials said U.S. defense and military leaders were trying to dissuade him from ordering the withdrawal right up until the last minute. His decision immediately triggered demands from Congress — including leading Republicans — for more information and a formal briefing on the matter. Sen. Lindsay Graham of South Carolina, just returned from Afghanistan, said he was meeting with Defense Secretary Jim Mattis late in the day.

Graham, typically a Trump backer, said he was “blindsided” by the report and called the decision “a disaster in the making.” He said, “The biggest winners in this are ISIS and Iran.”

The decision will fulfill Trump’s long-stated goal of bringing troops home from Syria, but military leaders have pushed back for months, arguing that the IS group remains a threat and could regroup in Syria’s long-running civil war. U.S. policy has been to keep troops in place until the extremists are eradicated.

The senior administration official said American forces would still work with allies to fight the Islamic State or other extremists in the country but gave no details on what that might entail.

Another official said it still is not clear to defense leaders whether U.S. airstrikes against IS insurgents will continue in Syria after the American troops leave. U.S. military officials worry that American-backed Kurdish troops will be targeted by Turkey and the Syrian government, leaving no ally on the ground to help direct the strikes.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who remains concerned about Iranian efforts in the area, reacted in noncommittal fashion after talking with Trump by telephone.

“This is, of course, an American decision,” he said. No matter what, he said, “we will safeguard the security of Israel and protect ourselves from this arena.”

Leading Republican senators reacted with displeasure to the news.

Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida said the withdrawal would be a “grave error” and that Kurdish fighters will stop fighting the Islamic State when they must confront Turkish troops crossing the border into Syria.

“This is a bad idea because it goes against the fight against ISIS and potentially helps ISIS,” he said, warning it could trigger a broader conflict in the region.

Just last week, the U.S. special envoy to the anti-ISIS coalition, Brett McGurk, said U.S. troops would remain in Syria even after the Islamic State was driven from its strongholds.

“I think it’s fair to say Americans will remain on the ground after the physical defeat of the caliphate, until we have the pieces in place to ensure that that defeat is enduring,” McGurk told reporters on Dec. 11. “Nobody is declaring a mission accomplished. Defeating a physical caliphate is one phase of a much longer-term campaign.”

And two weeks ago Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the U.S. still has a long way to go in training local Syrian forces to prevent a resurgence of IS and stabilize the country. He said it will take 35,000 to 40,000 local troops in northeastern Syria to maintain security over the long term, but only about 20 percent of that number have been trained.

Trump’s national security adviser, John Bolton, said in September that the U.S. would keep a military presence in Syria as long as Iran was active there. “We’re not going to leave as long as Iranian troops are outside Iranian borders and that includes Iranian proxies and militias,” he said.

James Stavridis, a former Navy admiral who served as top NATO commander, tweeted Wednesday that “Pulling troops out of Syria in an ongoing fight is a big mistake. Like walking away from a forest fire that is still smoldering underfoot. Big winner is Iran, then Russia, then Assad. Wrong move.”

The withdrawal decision, however, is likely to be viewed positively by Turkey, and comes following several conversations between Trump and Erdogan over the past several weeks. The two spoke at the G-20 summit in Argentina and in a phone call last Friday.

Erdogan said Monday he had gotten “positive answers” from Trump on the situation in northeast Syria where he has been threatening a new operation against the American-backed Syrian Kurdish fighters.

Just hours before the withdrawal decision became public, the State Department announced late Tuesday that it had approved the sale of a $3.5 billion Patriot missile defense system to Turkey. The Turks had complained that the U.S. was slow walking requests for air defenses, and they had signed a deal with Russia to buy a sophisticated system in a deal that Washington and Ankara’s other NATO partners strongly opposed.

Completion of that deal with Russia for the S-400 system would have opened up Turkey to possible U.S. sanctions and driven a major wedge between the allies. It was not immediately clear if there was a connection between the Patriot sale and the decision on U.S. troops.

Although the withdrawal decision doesn’t signal an end to the American-led coalition’s fight against the Islamic State, it will likely erode U.S. leadership of that 31-nation effort. The administration had been preparing to host a meeting of coalition foreign ministers early next year.

“The bottom line is that the American withdrawal from eastern Syria will create a power vacuum that will lead to a new phase of international conflict in Syria,” said Jennifer Cafarella, a Syria expert at the Institute for the Study of War.

She predicted that the Russians, the Iranians, Syrian President Bashar Assad and the Turks will compete for the terrain and resources previously under U.S. control “at the expense of” the Syrian Kurds who have partnered with U.S. forces against IS.

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Associated Press writers Susannah George and Catherine Lucey contributed to this report.
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Not gonna lie, former Trump supporter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes
 
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Remember all the sanctions Trump put on Russia @AnOminous? How does that fit into Putin's supposed mastery over him?

Do you mean the ones in April that he reversed 10 days after announcing them, or the ones with a veto-proof majority in Congress that he had no choice about in July?
 
World War III will center around Israel. I just know it.

Do you mean the ones in April that he reversed 10 days after announcing them, or the ones with a veto-proof majority in Congress that he had no choice about in July?
Oh so you're seriously going with this...

I'll just assume that what you said is as true as you said them (for a bit), and go off on other fact: Trump approved missile strikes in Syria, directly opposing Putin's desires.
 
Fuck the middle east, aint nothing there worth saving anyway.
World War III will center around Israel. I just know it.


Oh so you're seriously going with this...

I'll just assume that what you said is as true as you said them (for a bit), and go off on other fact: Trump approved missile strikes in Syria, directly opposing Putin's desires.

Whos Israel gonna fight WW3 against, Arabs? They tried that once already and it didnt end up too well for them.
 
I'll just assume that what you said is as true as you said them (for a bit), and go off on other fact: Trump approved missile strikes in Syria, directly opposing Putin's desires.

You mean when the entire government was screeching at him about bullshit poison gas attacks so he cratered a few runways after warning Putin to move his boys out of the way in what was clearly an empty political gesture because he desperately needed to deflect from how much water he carries for Putin?
 
You mean when the entire government was screeching at him about bullshit poison gas attacks so he cratered a few runways after warning Putin to move his boys out of the way in what was clearly an empty political gesture because he desperately needed to deflect from how much water he carries for Putin?
I don't know about any of that, especially considering that Syria is a Russian ally.

Also, this post remains eternally relevant.

Given the fact that Mueller's let off every single "plotter" with a slap on the wrist at best (Papasmurf just finished his 14-day prison sentence, for example), that Trump's sanctioned Russia probably a dozen times since the election, and gone well out of his way to make life a living Hell for all of Russia's allies, and that we beat the Hell out of Russian "mercenaries" to the tune of 300+ casualties at dier ez-Zor in the span of a few hours: If they're not already convinced that all of it's absolute garbage, I can't see the point in bothering.

Russia's profited absolutely nothing since Trump took office, and if they want to plug their ears and cover their eyes, go for it. Reality's only to get more and more confusing for them in the coming days, though. The investigations are all finished now, and yesterday we started to see the first signals that the prosecution phase is going to be heating up, soon.

This too...

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If Trump is Putin's lapdog and they're working hand-in-hand, why would Russia need to tap his phones and listen in, exactly? Seriously, can you guys think about these plotholes for longer than two seconds before you publish an article?
 
Normally I am in the non-interventionlist camp, however, I’ve been having a change of heart (and potentially political affiliation) after reading tidbits of it, so excuse me if my understanding is sloppy. Pulling out of Syria is only going to cause the Kurds to get slaughtered and resent us, ISIS to gain back traction, and Russia to sweep in. We entered this, and I find it that it’s our obligation to see it through. We can’t turn our backs on them, not now.
I'm just being curious but what, in your eyes, is the benefit of maintaining a long term presence in Syria and the Middle East?
And more importantly do you or anyone else advocating long term engagement have any plan to achieve those goals whatsoever?
Because if you ask me Russia can keep Syria and the whole Middle East if they want to. And if ISIS tries to resurge we can just bomb back underground again.
I am sympathetic to the Kurd's and agree that they should be supported but I think that support should be in a form other than a long term ground presence.
Maybe we can come to an understanding with Assad that any attempts to fuck with them will be answered by more missile strikes.
But overall the Middle East is just fundamentally fucked up and we shouldn't be wasting time, money, and lives fruitlessly trying to unfuck it.
 
>kurds get slaughtered and resent us
you would sacrifice american soldiers lives because you want to be liked by a small stateless people in the middle eastern deserts?
>ISIS to gain back traction
ISIS is done for. they have lost pretty much all their territory, and iranian forces will make sure to keep it that way.
>russia to sweep in
so what?

there is no win condition for america in syria, there is nothing to gain by staying there, and nothing to lose by leaving.
But the Evil Russian might gain influence in a worthless shithole.
 
I'm just being curious but what, in your eyes, is the benefit of maintaining a long term presence in Syria and the Middle East?
And more importantly do you or anyone else advocating long term engagement have any plan to achieve those goals whatsoever?
Because if you ask me Russia can keep Syria and the whole Middle East if they want to. And if ISIS tries to resurge we can just bomb back underground again.
I am sympathetic to the Kurd's and agree that they should be supported but I think that support should be in a form other than a long term ground presence.
Maybe we can come to an understanding with Assad that any attempts to fuck with them will be answered by more missile strikes.
But overall the Middle East is just fundamentally fucked up and we shouldn't be wasting time, money, and lives fruitlessly trying to unfuck it.
Again, my understanding of all of this is limited, so please bear with me. I’m simply skeptical of pulling out now. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to keep out of this as much as possible and that the Middle East is fucked, but I’d like to make sure we’re not making hasty decisions, and have everything exacerbate. You and I both agree with the Kurds being supported, and they should continue to be supported

>kurds get slaughtered and resent us
you would sacrifice american soldiers lives because you want to be liked by a small stateless people in the middle eastern deserts?
Yes, because I obviously love the desert people that constantly fuck things up. All I’m saying is that I’m skeptical of pulling out right now. I don’t want American troops to be killed, but I don’t want the Kurds to lose morale over the withdrawl. Again, I’m working with limited knowledge on the subject, so please pardon the ignorance. I also find it suspicious of Russia to applaud this move. Don’t ask me why, I just simply do.

Edit: Disregard the above, my position has shifted back to the way it was, considering that I read more into the cons. My apologises, as I thought I would explore a different point-of-view.
 
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Well, Vladimir Putin is happy that his lap dog has done his bidding.

"Who's a good boy?" said Putin. "Arf arf!"

Trump actually found a way to make the Democrats want to stay in the Middle East, even after a decade and a half of them screaming "No Blood for Oil!"
 
Again, my understanding of all of this is limited, so please bear with me. I’m simply skeptical of pulling out now. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to keep out of this as much as possible and that the Middle East is fucked, but I’d like to make sure we’re not making hasty decisions, and have everything exacerbate. You and I both agree with the Kurds being supported, and they should continue to be supported


Yes, because I obviously love the desert people that constantly fuck things up. All I’m saying is that I’m skeptical of pulling out right now. I don’t want American troops to be killed, but I don’t want the Kurds to lose morale over the withdrawl. Again, I’m working with limited knowledge on the subject, so please pardon the ignorance. I also find it suspicious of Russia to applaud this move. Don’t ask me why, I just simply do.
Okay I'm going to break this down step by step.
"Stopping Russia from having influence in Syria" is a complete non starter.
Russia and Syria have been allies since the Cold War. Russia already has influence in Syria and the only way to change that would be for Assad to go. And since he's more or less won the war at this point America, or God forbid the Turk's and the unrivaled geopolitical shitstorm that would result from such a clusterfuck, would have to be the ones to depose him.
And I don't think I have to tell you why thats a terrible idea, Libya 2.0 anyone?
I've already given my thoughts on the Kurds so that just leaves ISIS.
ISIS is as "beaten" as their ever going to be. Their numbers have been devastated. They've lost pretty much all their territory. Their leaders are either dead or gone underground.
If they ever try their hand at the Caliphate nonsense we'll just fuck them up again.
Theres nothing more we can do in Syria and more importantly theres nothing more we should be doing in Syria.
There are people on this site who weren't even alive when 9/11 happened yet we're still spinning our wheels in Afghanistan. The last thing we need is another one.
 
We have no business in Syria and never had any to begin with. I'm a center-leftist who is typically critical of Trump, but he's making a good call on this one.

The fact that the Republicans and mainline Democrats opposed this move is telling, they're warmongers who profit from the conflict in Syria. Then you've got the SJW leftists who will oppose this due to a mix of Trump Derangement Syndrome and sympathy for the Anarcho-Communist factions of Rojava.

I still think Trump is a loud-mouthed attention whore, but a good call is still a good call.

ISIS is pretty much done for, and even if they did manage to regroup, they won't have the momentum that they had in 2014-2015. I'm sure Russia, Iran, and Al-Assad can keep any remaining ISIS militants in check.

Plus, it is a bad idea to support the Anarcho-Communist dipshits in Rojava. I'm looking forward to the day when American troops finally leave Syria and the Turks wipe out the Rojava scum.
 
I also find it suspicious of Russia to applaud this move. Don’t ask me why, I just simply do.

Why is it suspicious that Russia is happy the US fucking off out of Syria? The USA's presence there has been a net negative for Assad and Russia from day one. Now Russia and Syria will be able to do shit without US interference.

Again, my understanding of all of this is limited, so please bear with me. Again, I’m working with limited knowledge on the subject, so please pardon the ignorance.

Yeah tell me about it.
 
Awww, looks like some politicians won't be getting their Christmas bonuses from Lockheed Martin this year. Sad!
 
Pokéfag whines about the U.S. withdrawing from Syria (while consistently misspelling "hegemony").
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Whos Israel gonna fight WW3 against, Arabs? They tried that once already and it didnt end up too well for them.
Probably Russia, but regardless, it'll not end well for them.

Still, I really hope Trump keeps true to his word and doesn't go back there. All they're worth for is their gas lines, and even then the US has their own.
 
Normally I am in the non-interventionlist camp, however, I’ve been having a change of heart (and potentially political affiliation) after reading tidbits of it, so excuse me if my understanding is sloppy. Pulling out of Syria is only going to cause the Kurds to get slaughtered and resent us, ISIS to gain back traction, and Russia to sweep in. We entered this, and I find it that it’s our obligation to see it through. We can’t turn our backs on them, not now.

Taking sides in ethnic conflicts is just retarded. What do you do when the Kurds inevitably start ethnically cleansing Arabs/Turks that the USA is supposed to be allied with... oh wait.

Non-involvement is the best policy.
 
ISIS holds more territory and has more people in Iraq than in Syria at this point. So it is only natural that the main focus of the effort should shift to follow.
 
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