Trump or DeSantis? - Ron DeShabbos or Orange Hitler?

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Which conservacuck to rule them all?

  • Ronnie

    Votes: 27 36.0%
  • Donnie

    Votes: 19 25.3%
  • Take the headshot

    Votes: 29 38.7%

  • Total voters
    75

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First off assume someone has a gun to your head and you HAVE to pick one of these two to be president next year.

Arguments against Donnie:
--He lost in 2020
--He was already President once and fucked up a lot
--He's a narcissist that only cares about his own power rather than any kind of conservative ideology
--He loves Israel
--He's fat

Arguments against Ronnie:
--He's the establishment alternative to Trump
--He's just a Diet Coke version of Trump
--Libtards seem more scared of Trump
--He loves Israel
--He's fat

Discuss.
 
reasons to vote for orange man:
-will create maximum butthurt and outrage if he wins

reasons to vote for florida man:
-he is not a geriatric zombie with dementia
 
I will vote for whoever is fatter and loves Israel the most. This seems like the proper method to decide a Republican presidential candidate.
 
I already wrote about this in other threads; pasta incoming

(Why DeSantis doesn't actually "get things done better than Trump")

DeSantis works with the overwhelmingly Republican state legislature as opposed to the heavily compromised Jan 2017-Jan 2019 Congress and the issues he tackled are Florida specific issues as opposed to national issues which naturally have more obstacles (Federal Courts are more activist than FL courts, bribery and pressure on Senators and House Reps are much greater than that of state legislators, Federal Departments are much more entrenched with corruption and pozz that FL Departments).

One could try saying that Florida Governor is Easy Mode or Tutorial Mode compared to the Presidency, but a better analogy would be that the former is riding a bike with training wheels in a safe neighborhood with no traffic and the latter is like riding a unicycle in a zombie apocalypse. It should be emphasized that Donald Trump's Presidency wasn't a normal Presidency where you have a Uniparty stooge working with other stooges to carry on a charade, but a genuine outsider who the powers that be in DC view as an existential threat to the point where Deep State agents outright refuse to follow legitimate executive orders, have 'Republican' Congressmen and Senators back the Mueller witch hunt while refusing to vote for any MAGA legislation, have Generals willing to collude with China over the American President,.

DeSantis' opposition in comparison was the FL Democratic Party which has been laughably impotent for years before DeSantis won his first political office. He did have to wrangle some cucky Republican FL State legislators on the issue of gerrymandering, but that little episode indicated that he wasn't this magician who could easily get anyone to do his bidding like his fans hype him up to be. Every single thing about him indicates that he would not have "fired Fauci" and implemented South Dakota tier policies on the scamdemic during 2020. Not only that, but he would have been much more willing to go along with the Military Industrial Complex, and would have cared about illegal immigration as much as Doug Ducey and pre-2021 Greg Abbott did.

also note that when DeSantis was in the Federal Government (a member of the House of Representatives) he wasn't some MAGA standout with the balls to go against the grain. He essentially was a generic Repub who didn't defy the pre-Trump GOP norms on foreign policy, big business, the Deep State, immigration.

While I give him credit for not cucking as governor on the Culture War like Spencer Cox of Utah, Asa Hutchinson of Arkansas, etc, he is most likely going to go along with the pre-Trump GOP attitudes on all the other issues. I highly doubt he'll take any meaningful action against the FBI/CIA/NSA, whereas with Trump at least you know that there's some real bad blood between Don and the Deep State. His statements on the Ukraine indicate that he will still continue to throw billions at Money Laundering: The Country. His hires will certainly at the very least be as establishment oriented as Trump's 1st Term and probably even more so. When it comes to the Culture War, Vaccine Mandates, etc I guess you could at least say he'll be as good as Trump on that issue, but nothing indicates that he'll manage to magically manipulate Congress into actually passing truly meaningful legislation.

To be fair, I don't think Trump would either unless the Congress starting Jan 2025 is far less cucked than the one from Jan 2017, but with Trump you'll at least be guaranteed meaningful executive action against the Deep State, executive maneuvering to allocate funds to the Wall, things like that (and he'll be in a much more unrestrained mood given that re-election isn't going to be a concern, he'll also be in the last few years of his life so that also adds onto the 'what can I lose' mentality, though I wouldn't be surprised if they outright harm his family members).

When it comes to DeSantis, I'm fairly convinced he can be bribed and bullied into not taking any meaningful action against the Powers That Be in DC. In fact, you could even say he's already been bribed and won't need to be bullied because he may already be willing to get along with them on all the most significant issues.

(Why DeSantis is not 'more electable than Trump')

he is nowhere near as 'electable' in a Presidential race as his online shills hype him up to be. At this point, there isn't any human being in history who could live up to the hype that his internet fans say about how great he is at winning elections, but even when you take that into consideration

-Winning in Florida in a MIDTERM is easy mode when it comes to American elections. The Florida Democratic Party has historically been very incompetent at turning out their voters in off-year cycles, which meant that even in 2018 when Beto almost unseated Ted Cruz in Texas which was certainly redder than Florida at the time, Andrew Gillum and Bill Nelson both lost to DeSantis & Rick Scott. Note that Rick Scott was highly unpopular in 2014 with abysmal approval ratings, but still won re-election for governor that year.

-By November 2022, Florida spent two years becoming a haven for Americans disgruntled with Branch Covidianism in other states. This was ON TOP of the pro-Republican influx that Rick Scott had already set into motion that was making Florida trend more Republican. Despite this fact, DeSantis still didn't get more more votes in terms of the raw total than Trump did in Florida in 2016. Note that Stacy Abrams and Beto O'Rourke both got more votes in raw total than Hillary got in Georgia and Texas in 2016. Florida is *definitely* trending Republican with more and more R-leaning voters moving there regularly, but the 2022 performance was moreso due to the Florida Democratic Party being bad at turning out their voters in a midterm, than it was due to DeSantis being a god at turning out his voters and/or from having crossover appeal. There was less turnout in 2022 in Florida than there was in 2018.

-Florida has MUCH better election integrity than states like Arizona, Nevada, and Pennsylvania. Ballot harvesting isn't nearly as commonplace because the Florida Democratic Party doesn't have its act together. Election day sites all function adequately, you don't have people getting funneled off to shady 'voting centers' when their election day precincts break down. Votes get counted super quickly and in circumstances that don't involve kicking poll watchers out. Texas also implemented election integrity measures after 2020 and Ken Paxton (known for suing other states for 2020 fraud) won by a much greater margin than he did previously, showing that "extreme MAGA" isn't to blame like DeSantis' shills say was what cost us in Arizona & Nevada. If those two states had Florida's election integrity, then their 2022 elections would've looked more like Florida's and Texas's

-Marco Rubio and other Florida statewide Republican candidates (e.g. Attorney General) in 2022 also all won by landslide margins, indicating that it isn't DeSantis' unique appeal.

-On the debate stage against Andrew Gillum and Charlie Crist, DeSantis came off like a scared child. He mainly beat Gillum (just barely) because Gillum was too extreme for Florida and because the FL GOP has been solid at generating turnout, not really because of his own merits. When he faced Charlie Crist 4 years later, he had already accumulated millions of dollars in funding and was up against a guy who wasn't truly in it to actually try to win.

Yes, he has a fairly decent record as governor, but so do other Republican governors like Greg Gianforte, Kim Reynolds, Kristi Noem. His high in-state approvals won't mean much when he's faced with the daily national spotlight of a Presidential campaign, where he'll regularly be demonstrating his gay-sounding voice, scared nervous on-stage demeanor, overly robotic and scripted talking points developed.

(Why DeSantis' sonline shills are faggots)

when you look at DeSantis shills on Twitter, they have the following characteristics

-Use resistlib Democrat catchphrases and language like "Trump cultist," "election denier," "MAGAts are mouthbreathing retards who should smarter people like us in charge," "Ashli Babbit deserved what she got and so do the rest of them"

-tow the establishment Uniparty line on the issue of election fraud, they sound like resist libs with talking points like "hurr the judges Trump appointed all rejected it because there really is no fraud"

-tow the establishment Uniparty line on the issue of sending billions to the Ukraine

-come up with revisionist history on Trump's actions in 2020. For instance, they claim he attacked Kemp and threw Kemp under the bus over reopening Georgia, when in reality he said that Kemp should do what Kemp thinks is best. At the time he was careful about looking too lax on covid, so he did mention that he disagreed with what Kemp was doing, but at the same time he said in the same breath that Kemp should do as Kemp sees fit. Anyone who heard or read Trump's words at the time would not have figured this was a cynical assault on Kemp, mostly just casual discussion in a period where the vast majority of the country was pissing their pants over covid. Also, many of these DeSantis shills were attacking Trump hard in the first couple months because he wasn't being as panicky and scared to their liking. Trump's initial instincts on Covid were correct, he was cautious to send the country into panic and fuck the economy up so to these people (including Tucker Carlson at the time) he was castigated as some boomer who cared too much about 'muh economy.'

They also claim he should've fired Fauci in early 2020 (or any time in 2020) which is a totally LOLworthy move to anyone who was paying attention to the American political scene at the time. For some reason they have this deranged Monday Morning Quarterback fantasy that Ron DeSantis would've "had the balls to fire Fauci" early during the scamdemic, which is so totally out of the scope of what Ron actually would've done if he were in Trump's place at that time, when the vast majority was piss scared over coofvid and trusted Fauci because he was seen at the time as a mostly apolitical scientific figure - it would basically be saying in an alternate scenario where DeSantis wasn't governor "if Ron DeSantis were governor of Florida in 2019-2022, he would execute every single faggot by the time 2023 rolled around".
 
Idk my family that lives in Florida has actually spoken highly of him and how he's made many good changes. And it's pretty rare that people in their homestate will vouch for a potential presidential candidate.

Trump, I like Trump. I voted for Trump. But the truth is that our nation can't handle his presence without the 41% in the room foaming at the mouth and cursing in tongues at the mere utterance of his name. At this point,his presence only provides a distraction from getting work done. Which SUCKS because when he got his ideas out, they generally weren't awful. It's just that people default to hating him no matter what he says and they automatically hate anything with his name attached to it.
 
It's hard for me to pick, on the one hand Blumpft would be funniest and cause the greatest salt avalanche of history, on the other Troomph was not nearly effective enough when he was actually President IMO.

I don't think it ultimately matters though as Orange Man will not be allowed into the White House again. If he gets the nomination it'll just be a repeat of 2024. DeSanctimonious, if he is allowed to win, it would be because the regime doesn't consider him a threat, so it would be a hollow victory.
 
This thread will end well.

This far out, forecasting anything's a crapshoot, but it looks like DeSantis would theoretically bring in more swing voters, at the expense of the MAGA wing of the Republican party getting neutered.
 
I let the person holding a gun to my head shoot me.
Who's the person holding me at gunpoint?

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I hope it's Marlene.
 

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>I'm going to vote for Jeb Bush 2.0 because of rapper pardons
Sure thing, Skippy.
Great false equivalency you gaping faggot go back to your /ptg/ hug box. Trump pardoned every Jewish finical criminal serving federal time aside from Maddof and you know it but muh rapper is what you pretend matters. Trump is controlled opposition and part of the Red and Blue Both Screw You puppet show. If you still can support Donald Trump in the current year you are a loser and a retard who is just going to get burned again. If you think in any universe Trump wins a general election you are even dumber than the people who believe elections actually matter.
 
I will be voting for Ron DeSantis in the primaries. I don't give a shit that he's a career politician if the only other option is a dumbass billionaire who is only truly wealthy because of his dad.

And then I will vote for Dave Smith.

You may now cope and Sneed, MAGAtards.
 
Voting for not Biden. Right wingers can't seem to learn the lesson that you vote the ticket. The left got so far in US politics because they vote whoever is offered to them. Trump or DeSantis will be a better choice than Biden the faggot or his pet Sheboon.
 
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