🐱 Trump administration sets sights on section 230 - We all gettin sued for shitposts

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Attorney General William Barr took aim Wednesday at a key legal protection for the tech industry, calling into question whether it is still needed as a small number of key tech players have reached a massive size and scale.
Besides questions of anticompetitive behavior, Barr said at a Department of Justice workshop, the agency is considering what a concentrated tech market means for a legal immunity originally created to help small start-ups thrive.



Barr convened the workshop to discuss Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which says tech companies cannot be held legally liable for content posted by third-party users. The law protects online platforms from being treated as publishers, which can be held legally liable for publishing misleading or harmful content, even if they choose to moderate or remove objectionable content from their platforms.
The law has been massively important in allowing some of the biggest tech firms, including Facebook and Google, to grow while maintaining community standards on their platforms and without becoming buried by lawsuits. Tech executives argue that the law is still integral to their work, especially in allowing for “good faith” content moderation.
But at the workshop, Barr said the industry Section 230 protects is no longer a fragile, emerging sector.
“No longer are technology companies the underdog upstarts,” Barr said. “They have become titans of U.S. industry.”
With that scale of power, Barr said, “valid questions have been raised as to whether Section 230′s broad immunity is still needed.”



Those questions emerged from the DOJ’s broad review of market-leading online platforms, Barr said. The Antitrust Division has been probing Google and has jurisdiction to probe Apple, as reported by various outlets. Barr described the review of Section 230 as part of a “holistic approach” to the tech industry that recognizes “not all of the concerns raised about online platforms squarely fall within antitrust.”
Still, the concentration of tech markets could complicate the importance of Section 230 since a small number of key players control a wide range of discourse, according to Barr. In the mid-1990s when the law was enacted, tech platforms hosted public bulletin boards, but today, they engage much more actively in serving content to users through algorithms and other mechanisms, Barr said.
“With these new tools, the line between passively hosting third-party speech and actively curating and promoting speech starts to blur,” Barr said.
While the department is “concerned about the expansive reach of Section 230 immunity” following the “broad interpretation” by the courts, Barr said he did not yet want to make a decision on Section 230. He said he hopes to consider how to align the incentives of private sector companies with the value of public safety.
“Law enforcement cannot delegate our obligations to protect the safety of the American people purely to the judgment of profit-seeking private firms,” Barr said. “We must shape the incentives for companies to create a safer environment, which is what Section 230 was originally intended to do.”
 
Time to make the “they are a publisher” meme a reality.

Could be really shitty depending on how it’s implemented.
 
This is honestly a very tough call, because if I recall Section 230 is what protects the Farms.

That said, it's being abused by Twitter, Facebook, etc to modify discourse.
 
Time to make the “they are a publisher” meme a reality.

Could be really shitty depending on how it’s implemented.
This is honestly a very tough call, because if I recall Section 230 is what protects the Farms.

That said, it's being abused by Twitter, Facebook, etc to modify discourse.
Yeah nol gonna end up on most wanted list
 
I remember reading some proposed law that required platforms to be politically neutral in moderation if more than 1/8th of the country was active on the service. That seems like a much better answer to the Silicon Valley Question than any attempt to go at section 230 wholesale.
 
I remember reading some proposed law that required platforms to be politically neutral in moderation if more than 1/8th of the country was active on the service. That seems like a much better answer to the Silicon Valley Question than any attempt to go at section 230 wholesale.

Who gets to determine what is "politically neutral?"

Sounds like a codeword for "establishment."
 
Is enforcing anti-trust too hard or something? These companies conspire to kick competition out. On what planet is this not anti-competitive?
 
Boomer administration attacks internet law.

In other news, local scientist has discovered that water tends to be wet.
 
"massive size and scale"

From what I know about 230 reform, the goal would be to reign in large platforms with the ability to influence public opinion. Any changes will probably only affect platforms that reach significant numbers of people.

So Facebook would have to sweat what people say, but there could be thousands of mini-Facebooks out there doing whatever.
 
Still, the concentration of tech markets could complicate the importance of Section 230 since a small number of key players control a wide range of discourse, according to Barr. In the mid-1990s when the law was enacted, tech platforms hosted public bulletin boards, but today, they engage much more actively in serving content to users through algorithms and other mechanisms, Barr said.
“With these new tools, the line between passively hosting third-party speech and actively curating and promoting speech starts to blur,” Barr said.

This seems to be the big problem. They're not just censoring through bans, etc. but by promoting certain views. Or am I reading this wrong?
 
This seems to be the big problem. They're not just censoring through bans, etc. but by promoting certain views. Or am I reading this wrong?

No, you are reading it correctly.

The issue is the curation via algorithms. Companies like Facebook and Google straight-up lie by implying it is impersonal and done by machines, but in reality the relevance of a given result and news story is selected by human hands at some point. I do not think I need to tell you that the humans hired to such positions tend to lean a certain way politically.
 
Like Dear Leader said, attack the bankers stifling free speech and innovation on the internet.
 
Who gets to determine what is "politically neutral?"

Sounds like a codeword for "establishment."
You're not wrong. You'd have to implement some kinds of safeguards to keep such a law from being used in the exact same way Facebook or whatever uses their """politically neutral""" moderation policies to shape discourse.
 
You're not wrong. You'd have to implement some kinds of safeguards to keep such a law from being used in the exact same way Facebook or whatever uses their """politically neutral""" moderation policies to shape discourse.

The problem with technocratic solutions like that is that they are subject to the exact same kind of entryism as any other institution.

That, or it radically changes what it considers "fair" with every executive administration.

Basically, we'd likely just get another IRS-targeting-certain-people scandal.
 
I'm in favor of vigorously smacking down Big Tech with any means whatsoever. However, just this:
The problem with technocratic solutions like that is that they are subject to the exact same kind of entryism as any other institution.
Any group which tries to put some kind of control or accountability over speech from what you rightly call a technocratic perspective is going to fill up quickly with radicals. It is their M.O. to infiltrate these kinds of organizations and do what they do with near zero accountability.
 
The problem with technocratic solutions like that is that they are subject to the exact same kind of entryism as any other institution.

That, or it radically changes what it considers "fair" with every executive administration.

Basically, we'd likely just get another IRS-targeting-certain-people scandal.
You aren't wrong. The universal constant is that power will be abused, every time.

Are there any kinds of safeguards that you think would be effective? And if not, what would you suggest for dealing with large tech conglomerates abusing their monopolies?
 
I'm in favor of vigorously smacking down Big Tech with any means whatsoever. However, just this:

Any group which tries to put some kind of control or accountability over speech from what you rightly call a technocratic perspective is going to fill up quickly with radicals. It is their M.O. to infiltrate these kinds of organizations and do what they do with near zero accountability.

Bingo. See what happened to the ACLU for a clear example of how that sort of thing looks.
 
I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, the protections are very helpful. You can't get sued if someone posts something illegal, such as the Christchurch shooting, in your platform. On the other hand, I hate Google and Facebook and Twitter as companies.
So, I'd rather that we find another way to deal with the Googles of the world than just get rid of these protections. Unless I'm missing something here.
 
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