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Why would a Republican candidate get a big crowd in the state of Massachusets anyway?
 
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I have been informed by a Massachusets Republican with ties to the establishment that this effort was a failure.
 
So there was this huge story about trump wanting to make a national database of all Muslims just like the Nazis. It's pretty bad, until you realize he was talking about the border. Unlike what all the headlines shout at you.

as one source said
“Should there be a database system that tracks Muslims here in this country?” the reporter asked.
“There should be a lot of systems, beyond databases,” Trump replied. “We should have a lot of systems. And today you can do it.”
After being pressed, Trump said, “I would certainly implement that. Absolutely.”


What really happened

Hillyard asks, “Should there be a database system that tracks Muslims of this country?”
“There should be a lot of systems, beyond databases. We should have a lot of systems. And today, you can do it. But right now we have to have a border, we have to have strength, we have to have a wall and we cannot let what’s happening to this country…
“Is that something your White House would like to do?”

Trump now has my spite vote.
 
So there was this huge story about trump wanting to make a national database of all Muslims just like the Nazis. It's pretty bad, until you realize he was talking about the border. Unlike what all the headlines shout at you.

as one source said
“Should there be a database system that tracks Muslims here in this country?” the reporter asked.
“There should be a lot of systems, beyond databases,” Trump replied. “We should have a lot of systems. And today you can do it.”
After being pressed, Trump said, “I would certainly implement that. Absolutely.”


What really happened

Hillyard asks, “Should there be a database system that tracks Muslims of this country?”
“There should be a lot of systems, beyond databases. We should have a lot of systems. And today, you can do it. But right now we have to have a border, we have to have strength, we have to have a wall and we cannot let what’s happening to this country…
“Is that something your White House would like to do?”

Trump now has my spite vote.
Your problem with post-9/11 America is that we don't have enough violation of our right to privacy?

I know it sounds crazy, but it's possible to fight religious fascism without taking plays from the book of Ingsoc.
 
Freaking context people! He said zero about Muslims.

As far as I can can tell, Trump confused this reporter for a far-right fanatic with a stupid idea instead of just a spin doctor with a leading question. The reporter asks this ridiculous question and he deflects it with some esoteric bullshit about systems, and then changes the subject to borders. Then the reporter asks a another question, and Trump fails to realize the pronoun game is being played.

Later, the same reporter asks him how a Muslim database is any different than jew badges. Donald Trump, still thinking this is a fanatic and not a hit job say, "you tell me." He was completely aware, although someone of stronger character would have likely openly denounce the idea.

So Trump did fail to denounce the reporter properly, which he should have done. That's still enough of a headline. This tell me that he will still pander to the far right but to portray him as someone who would actually do such a thing is dishonest. Instead of getting facts straight, the new went the irresponsible path.
 
Freaking context people! He said zero about Muslims.

As far as I can can tell, Trump confused this reporter for a far-right fanatic with a stupid idea instead of just a spin doctor with a leading question. The reporter asks this ridiculous question and he deflects it with some esoteric bullshit about systems, and then changes the subject to borders. Then the reporter asks a another question, and Trump fails to realize the pronoun game is being played.

Later, the same reporter asks him how a Muslim database is any different than jew badges. Donald Trump, still thinking this is a fanatic and not a hit job say, "you tell me." He was completely aware, although someone of stronger character would have likely openly denounce the idea.

So Trump did fail to denounce the reporter properly, which he should have done. That's still enough of a headline. This tell me that he will still pander to the far right but to portray him as someone who would actually do such a thing is dishonest. Instead of getting facts straight, the new went the irresponsible path.
This is the worst defense I've heard since I saw Hillary supporters try to spin the "Obama's not a Muslim, as far as I know" comment. An issue which, by the way, Trump enthusiastically went after like a deal with La Cosa Nostra.
 
It is my opinion that only Donald Trump, Carly Fiorina, or Chris Christie could beat Hillary Clinton in the general election. Most ordinary Republicans today mistrust government, so it's a really big deal for them that Trump, Fiorina (and Carson) aren't career politicians. Trump, it's a double plus since he's funding himself he's under no obligation to abandon all his promises after he's chosen as the candidate. (Which people like Marco Rubio always do.) Chris Christie is just so damn charismatic I think he could get some Democrats to vote for him.

It is also my opinion that an establishment candidate will win the Republican Primary. You don't vote in the primary unless you're a hardcore Republican who loves the system. In other words, hardcore Republicans will not choose a muckraker over a status quo kind of candidate, even though a lot of mainstream Republicans would only vote for a muckraker at this point.

Lastly, I think the 90s Republican associated family values movement backfired so hard and is still fresh enough in the collective memory that a Republican won't be able to associate with the religious right and still win the presidential election (//almost all of the candidates besides Trump, Fiorina, and Christie, have.) The near identical Democrat associated social justice movement is sure to backfire in the same way, but until that point Republican presidential candidates will have to be very careful about being perceived as puritanical.

TL;DR if the next president is to be a Republican, it will be Chris Christie. Everyone else, the candidates who could win the primary couldn't win the general election, and vice versa.

I hope I'm wrong, because I want tax reform. Although tbh, I don't think even Trump can make that happen because congressmen aren't going to put their careers in jeopardy by biting the corporate hand that feeds them.
 
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It is my opinion that only Donald Trump, Carly Fiorina, or Chris Christie could beat Hillary Clinton in the general election. Most ordinary Republicans mistrust government, so it's a really big deal for them that Trump, Fiorina (and Carson) aren't career politicians. Trump, it's a double plus since he's funding himself he's under no obligation to abandon all his promises after he's chosen as the candidate. (Which people like Marco Rubio always do.) Chris Christie is just so damn charismatic I think he could get some Democrats to vote for him.

It is also my opinion that an establishment candidate will win the Republican Primary. You don't vote in the primary unless you're a hardcore Republican who loves the system. In other words, hardcore Republicans will not choose a muckraker over a status quo kind of candidate, even though a lot of mainstream Republicans would only vote for a muckraker at this point.

Lastly, I think the 90s Republican associated family values movement backfired so hard and is still fresh enough in the collective memory that a Republican won't be able to associate with the religious right and still win the presidential election (//almost all of the candidates besides Trump, Fiorina, and Christie, have.) The near identical Democrat associated social justice movement is sure to backfire in the same way, but until that point Republican presidential candidates will have to be very careful about being perceived as puritanical.

TL;DR if the next president is to be a Republican, it will be Chris Christie. Everyone else, the candidates who could win the primary couldn't win the general election, and vice versa.

I hope I'm wrong, because I want tax reform. Although tbh, I don't think even Trump can make that happen because congressmen aren't going to put their careers in jeopardy by biting the corporate hand that feeds them.
Shame the New Jerseyans hate him, and 53% of Republicans want him out of the race. But he's one of the least objectionable, yes.
 
It is my opinion that only Donald Trump. . . could beat Hillary Clinton in the general election. Most ordinary Republicans mistrust government, so it's a really big deal for them that Trump, Fiorina (and Carson) aren't career politicians.
I don't know how many times I have to keep saying this, but the only people who can beat Hillary Clinton in an election are those who can survive being grilled the most. She plays dirty, and Trump has more skeletons in and out of his closet than anyone else running.

Trump, it's a double plus since he's funding himself he's under no obligation to abandon all his promises after he's chosen as the candidate.
Someone being wealthy has never meant that they can't be bought. Trump in particular exists only to be bought.

Lastly, I think the 90s Republican associated family values movement backfired so hard and is still fresh enough in the collective memory that a Republican won't be able to associate with the religious right and still win the presidential election.
The Republicans weren't damaged at all by this. They lost in the 90s because Clinton successfully triangulated them on this issue. He was as up there with the prayer breakfasts and pew visits as anybody. He even got the likes of Pat Robertson to speak against throwing him out of office.

I hope I'm wrong, because I want tax reform. Although tbh, I don't think even Trump can make that happen because congressmen aren't going to put their careers in jeopardy by biting the corporate hand that feeds them.
Rest assured, you don't need to hope on wether you're wrong.
 
I don't know how many times I have to keep saying this, but the only people who can beat Hillary Clinton in an election are those who can survive being grilled the most. She plays dirty, and Trump has more skeletons in and out of his closet than anyone else running.

There's a reason Hillary hasn't gone after Trump yet. She benefits from every minute of air time he gets, and while it isn't going to happen, would love to face him in the general.
 
It is my opinion that only Donald Trump, Carly Fiorina, or Chris Christie could beat Hillary Clinton in the general election. Most ordinary Republicans today mistrust government [...] Chris Christie is just so damn charismatic I think he could get some Democrats to vote for him.

Shouldn't the whole BridgeGate thing make people distrustful of government distrustful of Christie as well?
 
Informative. In that case, I think Christie goes into the category of candidates who could win the general election but couldn't win the primary. I hadn't thought about it, but yeah the bridge controversy probably means that the Republican establishment would never choose him over, say, Bush.
I don't know how many times I have to keep saying this, but the only people who can beat Hillary Clinton in an election are those who can survive being grilled the most. She plays dirty, and Trump has more skeletons in and out of his closet than anyone else running.
No matter who the Republican candidate is, they are going to get grilled. On the contrary, I think Trump would fare better than anyone when it comes to this kind of pressure. First of all, he thrives off it. But more importantly the media can't push Hillary's rhetoric and completely ignore or marginalize Trump's rebuttals because Trump is so interesting. In other words, I think Trump is the only Republican candidate who couldn't get railroaded, and that's Hillary's only reliable winning strategy because even Democrats don't trust her very much. (According to this study, 51% of voters mistrust Hillary, 51% of voters mistrust Trump.)
Someone being wealthy has never meant that they can't be bought. Trump in particular exists only to be bought.
The point is that Trump isn't currently bought and sold while everyone else is. I don't know what you mean by that second part. What makes Trump exist only to be bought? And say that were the case, how does that make Trump worse than any of the other candidates who are currently taking campaign bribes?
The Republicans weren't damaged at all by this. They lost in the 90s because Clinton successfully triangulated them on this issue. He was as up there with the prayer breakfasts and pew visits as anybody. He even got the likes of Pat Robertson to speak against throwing him out of office.
I disagree. In my area, the stereotypical Republican is a fundamentalist Christian who wants theocratic moral law, even though there haven't been any successful candidates like that for a long time. Reputation matters. // In Bill Clinton's days, the religious right was respected, not ridiculed, by the mainstream. Of course, all the effective politicians got in on that. But the Democrats didn't "triangulate the issue", because if that were the case once mainstream opinion of the religious right turned the Democrats would have been the ones stuck with this weird reputation, not the Republicans. (I think this is less an issue for the Republicans than it was a decade ago, but I still think it's an issue.)
Rest assured, you don't need to hope on wether you're wrong.
So you think Trump can win the Republican Primary?

I want to make it clear, when I say the Democrats have the media as their mouthpiece, I don't think of it as an exclusively Democratic thing. Like 20 years ago the Republicans had the media as their mouthpiece and would railroad detractors by suggesting they were immoral people who didn't respect god or something, in the same way the Democrats now have the media as their mouthpiece and railroad detractors by suggesting they are racists who abuse women or something today. The media did suggest Trump was a racist and a sexist for the first couple of months, and the fact it did not shut him down immediately suggests to me the Democratic hold on the media is already breaking down. Within the next decade it will probably decisively switch back over to the Republicans and they'll railroad detractors with something new, maybe suggesting the person is against technology / the American way of life and wants the country to become an Islam-esque non-culturally-integrated warring tribal state, or something topical like that.
 
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I just can't wait until the General Election, and to give Trump a vote for Palm Beach County - The very county that screwed it up for Al Gore (like Hell would he had been a great President, anyway)

So you think Trump can win the Republican Primary?

They sure seem decisive in the fact that Trump won't win the primary, though I have to wonder who they think ultimately will. It won't be Bush, and it won't be Marco, neither have brought excitement to the establishment. I would say maybe Cruz has a chance, but he still needs to take on the Trump Train and the Neurosurgeon.
 
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