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I think I'm forgetting a few on my list, I'll need to check.
 
Bump - I haven't watched much recent true crime - I'm aware of most of the famous serial killers and mass murderers (e.x. Bundy, Gacy, Dahmer, etc).

Most recent major case I read about was the Peter Scully case (infamous child pornographer and sex trafficker), since it was related to the Josh Duggar arrest case (Duggar was said to have viewed an infamous child porn / snuff film created by Scully known as "Daisy's Destruction"):

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Peter Scully Raped, Tortured, And Killed Children — And Made Millions Selling It On The Dark Web

The prosecutors at his trial asked for the Philippines to reinstate the death penalty just for him.
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Josh Duggar arrested for child pornography, could face up to 20 years in prison

An over two-year investigation finally led to Duggar's arrest by Homeland Security yesterday. A Springdale man was arrested yesterday for re...
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There was also a book I read by a former FBI agent called "Between Good and Evil" - in the book he claims that the majority of rapists and murderers or sociopathic/psychopathic individuals who commit those type of crimes are very low-functioning, while highly intelligent or "high-functioning" individuals who commit those types of crimes (e.x. John Wayne Gacy) are extremely rare - I recall other documentaries in which the interviewees described similar things (e.x. "high-functioning" individuals like Hannibal Lecter from the movies are highly unusual).

The author also said that serial killers are a very small population percentage (e.x. only a few dozen being active in the entire US at any given time), but the atrociousness of their crimes makes them highly notable to the general public.
 
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StraightShooter2 said:
Bump - I haven't watched much recent true crime - I'm aware of most of the famous serial killers and mass murderers (e.x. Bundy, Gacy, Dahmer, etc).

Most recent major case I read about was the Peter Scully case (infamous child pornographer and sex trafficker), since it was related to the Josh Duggar arrest case (Duggar was said to have viewed an infamous child porn / snuff film created by Scully known as "Daisy's Destruction"):

allthatsinteresting.com

Peter Scully Raped, Tortured, And Killed Children — And Made Millions Selling It On The Dark Web

The prosecutors at his trial asked for the Philippines to reinstate the death penalty just for him.
allthatsinteresting.com allthatsinteresting.com

Josh Duggar arrested for child pornography, could face up to 20 years in prison

An over two-year investigation finally led to Duggar's arrest by Homeland Security yesterday. A Springdale man was arrested yesterday for re...
www.realitytvkids.com www.realitytvkids.com

There was also a book I read by a former FBI agent called "Between Good and Evil" - in the book he claims that the majority of rapists and murderers or sociopathic/psychopathic individuals who commit those type of crimes are very low-functioning, while highly intelligent or "high-functioning" individuals who commit those types of crimes (e.x. John Wayne Gacy) are extremely rare - I recall other documentaries in which the interviewees described similar things (e.x. "high-functioning" individuals like Hannibal Lecter from the movies are highly unusual).

The author also said that serial killers are a very small population percentage (e.x. only a few dozen being active in the entire US at any given time), but the atrociousness of their crimes makes them highly notable to the general public.
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Intresting so a Hannibal lector types can exist. Their just very rare. Would Ted Bundy be consider high functioning?
 
Oats12345 said:
Intresting so a Hannibal lector types can exist. Their just very rare. Would Ted Bundy be consider high functioning?
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I think he was moderately high-functioning, same with BTK, and Ted Kaczynski (aka Unabomber).

Some others who were probably "high functioning" that I know of might include Dr. Harold Shipman aka "Dr. Death" (serial killer doctor who poisoned his patients, and may have had the largest murder count of all time -allegedly between 200-500 victims), and Col. Russell Williams (a Canadian military colonel who was a serial murderer and rapist).
 
StraightShooter2 said:
I think he was moderately high-functioning, same with BTK, and Ted Kaczynski (aka Unabomber).

Some others who were probably "high functioning" that I know of might include Dr. Harold Shipman aka "Dr. Death" (serial killer doctor who poisoned his patients, and may have had the largest murder count of all time -allegedly between 200-500 victims), and Col. Russell Williams (a Canadian military colonel who was a serial murderer and rapist).
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I only ask becuase Bundy was able to trick many people and get inside people heads. Granted that also could have just been mostly becuase around that time in history. People mostly viewed serial killers as Charles Mason looking guys.

Just knowing about Jeffery Dumer I can tell he was low functioning serial killer.

I'm surprised John Wayne Gracy was high functioning. Don't know why honeslty just am.
 
Oats12345 said:
I only ask becuase Bundy was able to trick many people and get inside people heads. Granted that also could have just been mostly becuase around that time in history. People mostly viewed serial killers as Charles Mason looking guys.

Just knowing about Jeffery Dumer I can tell he was low functioning serial killer.

I'm surprised John Wayne Gracy was high functioning. Don't know why honeslty just am.
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Gacy was considered prominent in his local community, and even ran for some local polities and met the President. (He was known for dressing up as a clown at birthday parties for his friends' children).

Also, I recall hearing that prior to his killing spree, Gacy went to prison for molesting a boy, but somehow got out on early release and managed to hide his criminal record.
 
StraightShooter2 said:
Gacy was considered prominent in his local community, and even ran for some local polities and met the President. (He was known for dressing up as a clown at birthday parties for his friends' children).

Also, I recall hearing that prior to his killing spree, Gacy went to prison for molesting a boy, but somehow got out on early release and managed to hide his criminal record.
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Didn't know anything of that. Other than the molesting a boy part.

I guess he was cleaver if he was able to hide his criminal record.
 
StraightShooter2 said:
I think he was moderately high-functioning, same with BTK, and Ted Kaczynski (aka Unabomber).
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Kaczynski was more than moderately high-functioning, he was an outright mathematical genius whose doctoral dissertation won an award for being the best of the year, and solved many problems in his field of math. I suppose you might dock a few points for his lack of social functioning. When he was a professor, he allegedly just taught from the book and was like a robot.

I wouldn't consider him a serial killer in the classical sense, though. He was more of a terrorist.
 
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Kaczynski was more than moderately high-functioning, he was an outright mathematical genius whose doctoral dissertation won an award for being the best of the year, and solved many problems in his field of math. I suppose you might dock a few points for his lack of social functioning. When he was a professor, he allegedly just taught from the book and was like a robot.

I wouldn't consider him a serial killer in the classical sense, though. He was more of a terrorist.
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Right, there were a lot of things about him that sounded like he may have been on the high-functioning autistic spectrum.

Oats12345 said:
Didn't know anything of that. Other than the molesting a boy part.

I guess he was cleaver if he was able to hide his criminal record.
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I Googled it and it was actually pretty crazy.

He molested a teenage boy, and then bribed another guy to intimidate the witness to prevent him from testifying. He still ended up getting charged and given a 10 year sentence and was diagnosed by the court-appointed shrinks as having antisocial (psychopathic/sociopathic) personality disorder and likely to re-offend, but somehow got released early on parole, and after the parole was finished his criminal record was sealed. (The fact that the court sealed a record for raping a boy, and hiring someone to intimidate the witness is pretty shocking.)
 
Serial killers are to lolcows as to what lions tigers leapords and panthers are to house cats
 
Alright, little bit of a necro here, but I figured it was a better idea than making my first post a new thread. This is just something I noticed recently, and it was bugging me, but because of the positive reception this new guy is getting, his comments are just a massive echo chamber of "Love your vids". You'll see what I mean in a sec.

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This dude is Coffeehouse Crime, and his channel is fucking exploding. It's one of a few Youtube channels I've seen where they come out of absolutely nowhere and land with a massive audience - I compare this guy to Barely Sociable, a channel that covers various mysterious topics in an essay format, for that reason. I also compare him to Barely Sociable because he's a total fucking ripoff. At least, in my eyes.
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This is Mike, from That Chapter, a true crime channel that has been on YouTube for almost four years. As you can tell from looking at this image, like Coffeehouse Crime, Mike does segments where he's talking to the camera, rather than showing archival footage or interrogations. Let's take a look at an older video of Coffeehouse for a second.
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This is from one of his first videos, in early January of the year of our lord 2021. Notice any similarities, like fucking everything? The flannel, the hair, the general style of presentation? Well, these similarities extend to the choices of music, the length and style of editing of each video, even the goddamn thumbnails, which is something I didn't notice until I started writing this post.

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^ Coffeehouse Thumbnails

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^That Chapter thumbnails

You know, I love a couple of things about these strings of thumbnails. First, these are just the most recent six videos from each creator, so you can see that Coffeehouse has put out half as much content, roughly speaking, than TC over this span of time. I'm gonna call that lazy in comparison (considering their content is nearly identical it can't take that much more effort). Second, look at that last video CH did, over a month ago. I bet a lot of you guys are familiar with the Randy Stair case, due to Metokur's excellent video on it. You know, that excellent video from years and years ago? Yeah, if you've seen that, you're really not gonna learn much more from Coffeehouse's video. According to him, Randy's father owned the supermarket he worked in and got him the job there, which is a detail I haven't looked into, but I don't really care.

And that's kinda my point. Anything this guy uses to distinguish himself seems so superfluous, and more than anything, an attempt to cover up the fact that he's just ripping off this already successful channel, that, in my opinion, does it better. And I wouldn't be saying anything about this at all - if this guy wasn't fucking killing it out of the gate. Look at those views. Remember, he showed up like, six months ago,

So, I have a couple of questions, and maybe you guys have some insight on this. Is this platform now exactly what these types of creators need right now? The Barely Sociables (and Nightmare Expo, and the other fifty channels that ripped off Nick Nocturne) of the world can just kinda look at these years of work that people put in to build a successful brand, and then just steal almost everything about it and launch with a just-as-successful, and sometimes more successful, platform? Are these guys just better at marketing than the dudes who came before? Or are they just good at knowing what the YouTube demographic is hungry for at the moment? If you wanted to convince me that the majority of people who watch this stuff on Youtube these days are dipshits or old people who don't know any better, it would not be that hard.

If you're not convinced of this dude ripping off That Chapter, I implore you to compare a video by both of them that explores the same case. What Coffeehouse does is hilarious to me - he'll use the same royalty-free tracks that TC uses, but he'll maybe use a different part of the song. He'll use the same interview clips that TC uses, but he'll extend them some, to make his just a little different and probably save on time he'd have to otherwise fill with creative commentary. He'll end his videos with these minutes-long eulogies of the dead, and it's like, yeah dude, you're right, it sucks, but I really didn't click on your video to attend the funeral.

I guess I should say that Mike is actually funny and this dude is just kind of depressing. So I guess he doesn't steal everything.
 
Semi-necro-ing this thread because I just thought of something while making another post:

"Conspiracy theory" isn't the right word for it but I have a theory that Josh Powell had killed before Susan.

He lucked out in how the police kind of shat the bed with him early on but before that, when he actually killed her and planned it, it wasn't his first time, or he learned it from someone who had, like say, his brother.
 
Bastard Deluxe said:
Alright, little bit of a necro here, but I figured it was a better idea than making my first post a new thread. This is just something I noticed recently, and it was bugging me, but because of the positive reception this new guy is getting, his comments are just a massive echo chamber of "Love your vids". You'll see what I mean in a sec.

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This dude is Coffeehouse Crime, and his channel is fucking exploding. It's one of a few Youtube channels I've seen where they come out of absolutely nowhere and land with a massive audience - I compare this guy to Barely Sociable, a channel that covers various mysterious topics in an essay format, for that reason. I also compare him to Barely Sociable because he's a total fucking ripoff. At least, in my eyes.
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This is Mike, from That Chapter, a true crime channel that has been on YouTube for almost four years. As you can tell from looking at this image, like Coffeehouse Crime, Mike does segments where he's talking to the camera, rather than showing archival footage or interrogations. Let's take a look at an older video of Coffeehouse for a second.
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This is from one of his first videos, in early January of the year of our lord 2021. Notice any similarities, like fucking everything? The flannel, the hair, the general style of presentation? Well, these similarities extend to the choices of music, the length and style of editing of each video, even the goddamn thumbnails, which is something I didn't notice until I started writing this post.

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^ Coffeehouse Thumbnails

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^That Chapter thumbnails

You know, I love a couple of things about these strings of thumbnails. First, these are just the most recent six videos from each creator, so you can see that Coffeehouse has put out half as much content, roughly speaking, than TC over this span of time. I'm gonna call that lazy in comparison (considering their content is nearly identical it can't take that much more effort). Second, look at that last video CH did, over a month ago. I bet a lot of you guys are familiar with the Randy Stair case, due to Metokur's excellent video on it. You know, that excellent video from years and years ago? Yeah, if you've seen that, you're really not gonna learn much more from Coffeehouse's video. According to him, Randy's father owned the supermarket he worked in and got him the job there, which is a detail I haven't looked into, but I don't really care.

And that's kinda my point. Anything this guy uses to distinguish himself seems so superfluous, and more than anything, an attempt to cover up the fact that he's just ripping off this already successful channel, that, in my opinion, does it better. And I wouldn't be saying anything about this at all - if this guy wasn't fucking killing it out of the gate. Look at those views. Remember, he showed up like, six months ago,

So, I have a couple of questions, and maybe you guys have some insight on this. Is this platform now exactly what these types of creators need right now? The Barely Sociables (and Nightmare Expo, and the other fifty channels that ripped off Nick Nocturne) of the world can just kinda look at these years of work that people put in to build a successful brand, and then just steal almost everything about it and launch with a just-as-successful, and sometimes more successful, platform? Are these guys just better at marketing than the dudes who came before? Or are they just good at knowing what the YouTube demographic is hungry for at the moment? If you wanted to convince me that the majority of people who watch this stuff on Youtube these days are dipshits or old people who don't know any better, it would not be that hard.

If you're not convinced of this dude ripping off That Chapter, I implore you to compare a video by both of them that explores the same case. What Coffeehouse does is hilarious to me - he'll use the same royalty-free tracks that TC uses, but he'll maybe use a different part of the song. He'll use the same interview clips that TC uses, but he'll extend them some, to make his just a little different and probably save on time he'd have to otherwise fill with creative commentary. He'll end his videos with these minutes-long eulogies of the dead, and it's like, yeah dude, you're right, it sucks, but I really didn't click on your video to attend the funeral.

I guess I should say that Mike is actually funny and this dude is just kind of depressing. So I guess he doesn't steal everything.
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I'll often hear conspiracy theorists say that there's a media/political cabal making sure that certain people connected with them succeed wildly at what they do - while at the same time suppressing the deeds of those who aren't connected to the cabal. It's probably nonsense, given that fate and fame can be extremely arbitrary in their nature. However, given instances like the above, it's hard to dismiss the idea completely.
 
Guess I'll bump an old thread because this still seems to be THE official true crime thread.

Anyone else here into true crime books? I really like Jack & Gregg Olsen, Ann Rule, Kathryn Casey and some others. I've especially come to enjoy listening to TC books in audio format - if you enjoy being creeped out, they're nice to listen to as you (try to) fall asleep.
 
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