💬 Off-Topic Transgender Legislation and Litigation

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Alex would be surprised to know that in the military, urinalysis is conducted upon initial entry, after any port call and on regular rotation (where it's randomized - you can be free and clear for a year, then get hit 4 months in a row).

And yes, we have to observe the urine stream leaving the body. Genitals in completely open view. Inspection happens quite frequently.
 
And we are going to keep it that way Fat Dumb Gay Al.

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And he/she/it now thinks that troons should be banned from women's sport.

Basic Google searches are too much to expect from Fat Dumb Gay Al.

Leave it to Fat Dumb Gay Al to point to a troon who provides a lengthy, intelligent, well reasoned, date driven explanation why Alex is wrong.

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"Despite her personal experience and expertise in medical science, she has been a muted voice in the current debate. “Sports’ accidental transgender pioneer,” The London Telegraph called her. With a mix of personal anecdotes, legal history and journal-citing scholarship, Richards offered her views in a position paper. Richards's recommendations are strikingly consistent with the Trump policy as well as the LPGA’s rules, which state that players must be biologically female at birth or have transitioned before puberty. The WTA's policy—which distinguishes between biological sex and gender identity and can be read here—relies heavily on the concentration of a player’s testosterone."

"At that time the term ‘transsexual’ was used to describe someone like me, and like Christine Jorgensen before me. The term transgender had not been invented yet. When I played in South America, headlines in the newspapers blared ‘cambio seso’- sex change! I was considered virtually a unique case. Data in 2024 suggest now maybe one percent of the population is ‘transgender.’

"I sued the USTA and the WTA and, in a landmark decision, the NY State Supreme Court Judge [Alfred] Ascione agreed with me and with my two affidavits one from my gynecologist, and the other from Billie Jean King—that I was a woman and entitled to play in the U.S. Open 1977. Critical to his decision is the fact that he made it in reference to me alone. He said nothing about ‘transgenders’ or ‘transsexuals.’ The decision was in favor of ‘Renee Richards’—period. At that time, there were no studies of performance abilities of people like me. I became a registered member in good faith of the WTA."

"My five-year experience on the tour has influenced my opinion on the subject of transgender participation for sure. When I started, I felt that I did not have any physical advantage over XX biological women. I had lost my first match as a pro in straight sets to Virginia Wade—who had won Wimbledon the year she beat me at Forest Hills. In addition, another reason I felt that I was entitled to play was that I had had a record in men’s tennis [although it was amateur in the years I was competing—before Open tennis] that was high enough to qualify for the men’s nationals at Forest Hills five times. "

"Now for the second part of my ‘remarks’—interpretation of the current literature on the subject of transgender women in sports.
The literature on all this is voluminous—most of it produced within the past few years, and derived mainly from [American] and Canadian, and a few Swedish, studies. I can only summarize them here and my interpretation of them, although it may have some value—coming from a doctor, who has personal experience with the matter—is nevertheless for sure, subjective. I caution you as well with the old adage—‘A doctor who treats himself [or herself] has a fool for a patient and a fool for a doctor.’ 1. The obvious male advantages—taller, narrow hips, wider shoulders, less lower body fat, higher muscle mass, larger hearts and lungs, higher hemoglobin giving greater cardiovascular capacity and oxygen transport. In track-sprinting the performance gap is 12 % between men and women.
2. After 12 months of testosterone suppression in transgender women, muscle strength loss has been found to be reduced by only -5 %. Joanna Harper [an elite athlete runner and transgender woman] states that strength and body muscle of transgender women is still above cisgender women even after 3 years of testosterone suppression. 3. A Swedish study shows that testosterone suppression reduces male advantage by only a 5% reduction of strength. [Similar to a U.S. study by Joanna Harper.] And 83% of male advantage is retained in transgender women. 4. Many anatomical sex differences driven by testosterone in male puberty are not reversible. Estrogen therapy will not reverse most male athletic performance parameters.
5. Lowering testosterone levels to less than 10 nmole/L decreases muscle mass but not to female biologic levels. Average female levels are about 3-5 nmoles/L but the IOC requirement is only to lower it to 10. 6. Estrogen therapy does not affect most of the anatomic structures of biological males. 7. Hemoglobin levels are lowered by estrogen therapy and maximum aerobic effort is lowered, but only if testosterone levels are lowered to biological female range—which is much lower than the 10 nmoles required of transgender women. 8. Male physiologic advantage from former testosterone exposure in puberty in transgender women is permanent, including brain masculinization, heart size, stroke volume, lung capacity, bone structure and mass. However, some modifiable characteristics from estrogen therapy and testosterone deprivation have been reported to mitigate muscle strength and aerobic capacity from physical training. Some male anatomic advantages can not be modified by estrogen therapy or testosterone suppression, for example, longer long bones and resultant leverage give males an advantage in serving in tennis. Probably in swimming as well. 10. The critical point! Male anatomy and physiology cannot be reformatted by estrogen therapy in transgender women because testosterone has driven permanent effects from early life exposure. This statement reflects the importance of male puberty."

1. I believe that having gone through male puberty disqualifies transgender women from the female category in sports.

2. I believe that a retained physical advantage persists in such individuals and does not allow for an equal playing field despite reducing testosterone levels in the blood. This advantage persists, it can be mitigated by age to a yet unknown degree. The opinion of Judge Ascione, my personal gynecologist in 1976, Billie Jean King, and myself was based on knowledge of this subject almost 50 years ago. We did not have the science back then. Medical science has progressed since that time and reflects my current knowledge and opinion. I am in agreement with the comment made by Mianne Bagger, a transgender golfer from Denmark—she said what I also believe: ‘Gender identity is subjective, it cannot proscribe a stable basis for sports clarification, it is irrelevant to sports classification—which is based on physiologic characteristics.’

3. The problem of what to do with prospective transgender athletes at scholastic, club, and professional levels, in many sports, is currently ongoing. It is possible that with the use of puberty-blocking hormones, there may be a time when prospective transgender women and girls may not go through male puberty, their inclusion in sports as women will have to be reevaluated if, and when, that happens.

Renée Richards Shares Her Position on Gender Policy in Tennis
 
Proof that Big Dumb Fat Al doesn't read anything beyond the headlines. Otherwise he'd realize that he just brought attention to something that speaks directly against what he spouts.
 
Proof that Big Dumb Fat Al doesn't read anything beyond the headlines. Otherwise he'd realize that he just brought attention to something that speaks directly against what he spouts.
From someone exponentially more knowledgeable and credible on the subject matter.

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Fat Dumb Gay Al's cult should be sued into oblivion.

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Emmanuel Macron loves the chernsgengers.

For what its worth, Mooshell Obama looks like a dude too.

"French President Emmanuel Macron and his wife, Brigitte, on Wednesday sued right-wing provocateur podcaster Candace Owens for repeatedly falsely claiming that Brigitte Macron “is in fact a man.”

The Macrons’ 22-count civil lawsuit accusing Owens of defamation and false light alleges that Owens, since March 2024, has “used this false statement” about Brigitte Macron “to promote her independent platform, gain notoriety, and make money.”

“Owens disregarded all credible evidence disproving her claim in favor of platforming known conspiracy theorists and proven defamers,” the lawsuit filed in Delaware Superior Court says.

“And rather than engage with President and Mrs. Macron’s attempts to set the record straight, Owens mocked them and used them as additional fodder for her frenzied fan base,” says the suit, which notes that Brigitte Macron bore three children from her first husband.

The complaint says that Owens’ allegedly knowingly false statements about the Macrons include claims that they are blood relatives who have committed incest, and that President Macron was chosen to be president as part of a CIA-operated program or “similar mind-control program.”

Politics French President Macron, wife Brigitte sue Candace Owens for defamation from transgender claim

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"Connecticut Children’s Medical Center confirmed Wednesday it is shutting down the program that provides gender-affirming health care to transgender and gender-diverse patients.

In a statement that closely echoes an internal memo hospital leadership sent to employees a few days ago, CCMC referred obliquely to pressure from the Trump administration and indicated the hospital struggled with the decision.

“In recent months, we have been carefully reviewing the long-term sustainability of our gender care program in light of an increasingly complex and evolving landscape. After thoughtful consideration and guidance from medical and legal experts, we have made the difficult decision to begin winding down this program for patients under the age of 19. This process is being carried out in a deliberate and planful way, with ongoing communication and support for the families and team members directly involved. It continues to be an evolving and fluid situation,” the statement reads, which was attributed to President and CEO Jim Shmerling.

“We are approaching each situation on a case-by-case basis to ensure that every child’s needs are considered with compassion, clinical judgment, and care. We remain fully committed to providing inclusive, respectful care to all children and to ensuring that every family continues to feel safe, supported, and heard at Connecticut Children’s.”

CCMC declined to comment further, saying it “will continue to share information with our stakeholders as appropriate.”

Gov. Ned Lamont’s office, which said it had been briefed on the decision, issued a statement attributed to the governor Wednesday afternoon."

Connecticut Children’s begins ‘winding down’ youth gender program

Get fucked Fat Dumb Gay Al!

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"blatantly illegal"

The SCOTUS disagrees with your delusion Fat Slob Al.

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A transgender woman has sued Princeton University claiming she was illegally removed shortly before her race in a school-hosted track meet in May due to her gender identity.
Again, how is he being discriminated against based on his gender identity? Gender identity is bullshit, but if you believe in it then “Sadie”’s gender identity is the same as the women on the team. He is being discriminated against based on his sex, but (I’m pretty sure) that that is allowed. On the other hand, if “Sadie” was allowed to play on the women’s team but a man who had a male magic gender soul gender identity wasn’t then that would be an example of discrimination based on gender identity.

French President Emmanuel Macron and his wife, Brigitte, on Wednesday sued right-wing provocateur podcaster Candace Owens for repeatedly falsely claiming that Brigitte Macron “is in fact a man.”
I hate Micron, but Candace Owens’ claims are completely deranged and this sort of transvestigation shot makes respectable transphobes like myself look bad.
 
A so called "shield law" does not convert the pseudoscience of troonery to a legitimate scence based form of medical care.

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Did the two facilities provide reasons?
"Parents of youth receiving care through the Yale program received an email and a FedEx letter, both obtained by CT Insider, announcing the decision but affirming the program's commitment to continue offering mental health services. The change takes effect Thursday. The letter, signed by Clifford Bogue, chief of pediatrics, and Beth Heinz, senior vice president of women and children's services, explains that the decision came after monitoring ongoing federal and administrative changes and making a "thorough assessment of the current environment." "We recognize the profound impact this decision will have on the patients and families we serve," the letter reads. "This was not an easy decision, nor one made lightly. We remain committed to offering mental health services and supporting in a compassionate care environment to all our impacted patients." Yale's decision comes less than 24 hours after Connecticut Children's Medical Center made its announcement that it'll be closing down its gender-affirming care for minors under 19 years old. Unlike CCMC, however, Yale said its clinic will not be closed, so providers will continue to see their patients – they just can't prescribe medication to those under 19 years old. "

Yale ends gender-affirming medication for minors, will continue mental health support
 
I noticed this morning that the Job Accommodation Network has taken down their page on gender dysphoria.

The Job Accommodation Network (askjan.org) is basically the Bible for employer-based ADA accommodations. Previously, their guidance was to accommodate things like pronouns and uniforms/dresscodes based on a framework of treating gender dysphoria as a qualifying disability.

This is a really interesting shift imo, as JAN is a private entity and because the EEOC hasn't rolled back all gender related workplace protections.

Spoiler because long, information from the EEOC website:
When issuing certain documents, the Commission acts by majority vote. Based on her existing authority, the Acting Chair cannot unilaterally remove or modify certain “gender identity”-related documents subject to the President’s directives in the executive order. Those documents include the Commission’s Enforcement Guidance on Harassment in the Workplace (issued by a 3-2 vote in 2024); the EEOC Strategic Plan 2022-2026 (issued by a 3-2 vote in 2023); and the EEOC Strategic Enforcement Plan Fiscal Years 2024-2028 (issued by a 3-2 vote in 2023).

Acting Chair Lucas voted against each of these documents. In particular, Acting Chair Lucas has been vocal in her opposition to portions of EEOC’s harassment guidance that took the enforcement position that harassing conduct under Title VII includes “denial of access to a bathroom or other sex-segregated facility consistent with [an] individual’s gender identity;” and that harassing conduct includes “repeated and intentional use of a name or pronoun inconsistent with [an] individual’s known gender identity.”

Although Acting Chair Lucas currently cannot rescind portions of the agency’s harassment guidance that are inconsistent with Executive Order 14168, Acting Chair Lucas remains opposed to those portions of the guidance.

“Biology is not bigotry. Biological sex is real, and it matters,” Lucas said. “Sex is binary (male and female) and immutable. It is not harassment to acknowledge these truths—or to use language like pronouns that flow from these realities, even repeatedly.”

Lucas emphasized, “Because of biological realities, each sex has its own, unique privacy interests, and women have additional safety interests, that warrant certain single-sex facilities at work and other spaces outside the home. It is neither harassment nor discrimination for a business to draw distinctions between the sexes in providing single-sex bathrooms or other similar facilities which implicate these significant privacy and safety interests. And the Supreme Court’s decision in Bostock v. Clayton County does not demand otherwise: the Court explicitly stated that it did ‘not purport to address bathrooms, locker rooms, or anything else of the kind.’”

Lucas contended that the EEOC betrayed its mission by issuing the “gender identity” portions of the Enforcement Guidance on Harassment in the Workplace: “The same agency that in the 1960s and 70s fought to ensure women had the right to their own restrooms, locker rooms, sleeping quarters, and other sex-specific workplace facilities—and established that it would be sex discrimination not to provide such women-only facilities—betrayed women by attacking their sex-based rights in the workplace. That must end.”

“The Commission’s harassment guidance was fundamentally flawed,” said Lucas. “It ignored biological reality, effectively eliminated single-sex workplace facilities, and impinged on all employees’ rights to freedom of speech and belief. In unlawfully expanding past Bostock’s dictates, the EEOC exceeded its authority. The EEOC must rescind the guidance and protect the sex-based privacy and safety needs of women.”

The EEOC is the sole federal agency authorized to investigate and litigate against businesses and other private employers for violations of federal laws prohibiting employment discrimination, including sexual harassment. For public employers, the EEOC shares jurisdiction with the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division; the EEOC is responsible for investigating charges against state and local government employers before referring them to DOJ for potential litigation. The EEOC also is responsible for coordinating the federal government’s employment antidiscrimination effort. More information about the EEOC is available at www.eeoc.gov. Stay connected with the latest EEOC news by subscribing to our email updates.

 
Though it's not specifically aimed at troons, I've seen some bellyaching about the UK's online censorship act and Discord. Now, I'm not a fan of censorship. I'm sure the way the UK government is going about it is overly broad and draconian. Sucks to suck, hope you guys are settling into your VPNs. But of all the world's smallest violins, I can't play a song sadder than the one I play for Discord trannies squawking that their Totally SFW Discords are falsely getting flagged as being skeevy pornhole free candy vans on the internet.
 
Apart from being unable to explain why potentially damning emails weren't included in evidence in February's hearing, saying "I'm a doctor and trustworthy" followed immediately by "I know I'm female because it says so on my birth certificate, sex is assigned at birth" and, per Tribunal Tweets, being gender critical means "strong views on sex and have two chromosomes", she also needed Naomi Cunningham to explain what she meant by "nebulous dogwhistle"

These NHS employees are really digging holes for themselves. From Drs who can’t determine the sex of a baby at birth (and yes Kate Searle is one of them), to Drs banding together to hide documents, and now IT allowing Dr Upton to download his own phone screenshots which show edited documents dated months prior to originals, Naomi Cunningham is having a field day.

All of the top brass NHS players were allowed to chat amongst each other on whatsap and email chains so they could support the distressed Dr Beth Upton, but Sandie Peggie was silenced by the NHS even though her legal advice was to discuss the investigations with her peers so she could be supported. It really is a prime example of organisational Bullying and harassment from those in a position of power. Even the Nurses Union backed off, which begs the question of were they pressured to.

I’d really like to know how these NHS employees really think, and if they are perverting the course of justice by deliberately withholding information (they did) and lying under oath on orders from even higher up (which they must be given the drs are saying they can’t tell if a baby is male or female at birth they just assign them a sex). Many of the witnesses should be individually sued for the way they’ve behaved, so it’s their pockets any damages come out of rather than the NHS and taxpayers pockets. Costs alone to the NHS are already at a $1/4 million, and it’s not even over yet. A potential (and hopefully likely) settlement will see that figure skyrocket. At a minimum Dr Kate Searle should be sacked, but I’d expect if anything at all were to happen to her it would be a mighty generous early retirement package being offered. Upton should be de-registered for bringing the medical profession into disrepute, but the chances of that happening are next to none as well.

The NHS is looking like a seething cauldron of incompetence trying to cover its tracks but to no avail. If I lived in Fife I’d certainly not want any of these ER Drs treating me if they can’t even distinguish if I’m male or female.

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No, they haven't Kermit.They have merely clarified that troonery was never covered by civil rights law in the first place.
"The current administration has rolled back on trans civil rights more than any administration in history"
This is an illogical statement, trans rights were only ever considered to maybe be civil rights during the Biden era and therefore, no other administration would've had the chance to, "roll back on it" as he puts it, before the Biden era. This should really tell you that he is no position to be speaking on legal issues when he fails to formulate proper sentences and has to rely upon emotional talk to be dramatic and act as if he's the victim (again).
The NHS is looking like a seething cauldron of incompetence trying to cover its tracks but to no avail. If I lived in Fife I’d certainly not want any of these ER Drs treating me if they can’t even distinguish if I’m male or female.
I have very little trust in doctors in the modern era; they hardly know what they're talking about and more often then not, you are better off doing your own research before you agree to any type of surgery or medication. This is a habit that troons need to get into before they start taking HRT and getting all kinds of surgeries from quacks who just want to make some quick money. Of course, if troons did do their own research we wouldn't see neovagina nightmares and whatnot because it takes half a mind to see how bad all of the gender reassignment surgeries are on top of HRT.
 
The UN Human Rights Council has released a report recommending that "woman" should be defined by sex. PDF Available Here

The report goes into the problems that legislating based on gender identity has caused, including everything from accurate reporting of violence against women to sports leagues. It's just the UN, so it doesn't really change anything but it's an interesting sign of the times.
Don't get your hopes up.

The report is by the Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls, Reem Alsalem. Her status as Special Rapporteur is unusual, in that she is gender critical whereas the UN itself is and remains all aboard the tranny train. You only need to look at the Tweets and reports that UN Women puts out.

The day that the UN stops referring to transwomen as 'she' is the day I'll acknowledge progress.
 
I have very little trust in doctors in the modern era; they hardly know what they're talking about and more often then not, you are better off doing your own research before you agree to any type of surgery or medication.
Same, but I believe ER drs are better than the rest. Not sure how it works in other countries, but in Australia they might give you up to a week of medication before you need to see your GP aka primary care giver. The Drs in this case are ER physicians who should know better than to ignore biological reality.

As an aside: I was seriously disappointed by the judge in the Sal Grover case saying sex is changeable. Recently I saw a local Facebook post from a medical practice announcing a new Dr. The announcement said he could only see “biological men” or “AMAB”. Yes it really used those terms. They tried to pretend it was due to his interest in Men’s Health. There was uproar from mothers who had used him in the past and said there was nothing to see here. I checked his medical registration details via AHPRA and that is a restriction on his medical license… a clear red flag to me. What it does tell me is that at least the Australian Medical Board recognises that sex is not changeable. I’m not going to provide links because that would obviously give you all my geographical location.
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