💬 Off-Topic Transgender Legislation and Litigation

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And they are correct.

Transgender does not exist anywhere in the natural world.

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Chris Geidner is one of the dumbest woke-tards to blog on my chosen profession.

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This retard thinks it is "unethical and dehumanizing" tto require an actual psychiatric diagnosis before signing off on a troon out.


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Not Dr. Evil said:
This retard thinks it is "unethical and dehumanizing" tto require an actual psychiatric diagnosis before signing off on a troon out.
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This is even more ridiculous given that biological women, along with biological men, often struggle to get estrogen replacement and testosterone replacement therapies in-line with their biological sex. Drs don’t just hand us prescriptions, they gate-keep hormone replacement by requiring blood testing.
 
I call shenanigans said:
This is even more ridiculous given that biological women, along with biological men, often struggle to get estrogen replacement and testosterone replacement therapies in-line with their biological sex. Drs don’t just hand us prescriptions, they gate-keep hormone replacement by requiring blood testing.
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A bit off topic but this is reminding me of how troons are trying to say that it's trannyphobic to refer to cis women/men as "biological women/men". How they come to that conclusion? I don't know, it just seems like a shitty attempt to get even more oppression points.
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This retard thinks it is "unethical and dehumanizing" tto require an actual psychiatric diagnosis before signing off on a troon out.
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If someone were to want their appendix taken out because they don't personally identify with it doctors would rightfully get them sent to a psych ward if they continued to press on the matter and threaten to kill themselves if they don't get said treatment. The fact that this isn't happening to troons and them even being allowed to get hormone replacement therapy is insane by itself; but for them to then bitch and moan because a doctor won't just give you testosterone or estrogen because you asked just shows how selfish and retarded they are with them expecting to have everything handed to them with no resistence or questioning.
 
I call shenanigans said:
This is even more ridiculous given that biological women, along with biological men, often struggle to get estrogen replacement and testosterone replacement therapies in-line with their biological sex. Drs don’t just hand us prescriptions, they gate-keep hormone replacement by requiring blood testing.
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This is one of my pet peeves. Trannies aren't on "hormone replacement therapy," they're just on hormone therapy. Like the dudebros at the gym trying to get ripped bruh

Hormone REPLACEMENT therapy is used to REPLACE hormones your body is not naturally making. "Hormone therapy" is giving additional hormones your body isn't naturally supposed to have.

To use their word, trannies have appropriated the phrase hormone replacement therapy. Same with AMAB and AFAB, 'appropriated' from the actual intersex community, where doctors had to guess/assign their sex at birth. All the rest of us are observed as the correct sex at birth. No assignment needed.

Honestly, I think ATAB makes the most sense for all of them. "All Trannies Are Bastards."

Edit to add: despite any current legislation, all troons still have access to hormone replacement therapy (using the actual definition of the phrase). Which they'll need after years of dumping the wrong sex hormones into their bodies. They just can't access their government-funded magic sex-change hormones so they're throwing a fit.
 
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diroama said:
It's not "trans women" it's "transwomen".
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LateNightMuffin said:
It's "men."
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diroama said:
Transwomen are men who pretend to be women.
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As far as I can now, I’m trying to use the terms men, women, trans identifying men, and trans identifying women. It’s hard because many don’t understand that a TIM is a male pretending to be a female, and a TIF is a female pretending to be a male. I just feel the need to lose the doubled up adjectives because they can’t change the actual scientific meaning of male, female, woman and man. If “trans identifying” anything is so offensive to trans activists, then they should understand why “cis” is so offensive to the rest of the population.
 

Notorious psuedointellectual gender crackpot reacts to Skrmetti​

Lots of fallacious appeals to authority.​

Lots of bizarre appeals to "medical" and "scientific" findings that do not exist.

Lots and lots of overt science denial.

Your most recent book, Who’s Afraid of Gender?, discusses how “gender ideology” is used as a bogeyman to advance authoritarian policies. What are the broader implications you see in this decision?​

In upholding Tennessee’s law banning gender-affirming care for youth, the Supreme Court sets aside the findings of every major medical association that to deny such care constitutes a harm to the health of young people. The court surmises that harm may be inflicted by such care, but instead of backing up that point with reliable studies, they pose it as a hypothetical that can only imagine or conjecture possible harm coming from such care.

This decision rests on a confusion about what is “care” and what is “harm.” Indeed, the harm that the decision does by denying care to trans and gender nonconforming youth goes unremarked except in the searing dissent authored by Justice Sotomayor: “The court abandons transgender children and their families to political whims.” After all, she points out, boys can take the same medications to become more masculine, and girls can receive the same treatments to appear more feminine. It appears that only when the treatment allows for transition from one sex to another that it becomes problematic. But if trans people are deprived of a form of care to which non-trans people have access, how is that not a problem of unequal treatment?

Since no harm is done by hormonal therapy per se, we can only conclude that the court understands departures from sex assignment and its social expectations to be the problem. The court itself does harm to the 112,400 transgender youth in Tennessee according to the Williams Institute at UCLA, but it also poses a threat to much-needed care for the estimated 1.6 million transgender youth in the United States.

The court ruled that equal protection was not violated by the Tennessee law, but luckily the decision has no effect on transgender as a protected category under sex discrimination statutes, as established by the Supreme Court’s own decision in Bostock v. Clayton. Nor does it override parental rights to decide the best health care for their children, though it sets up a new possible legal challenge. Since the Tennessee law can still be challenged on other grounds, this is not the end of the story.

But the failure of the court to trust the scientific findings of major medical associations adds to the impression that state institutions decide matters of gender, sex and sexuality on political grounds rather than reflective and thorough review. The fact that Trump’s executive order cites the “immutability” of sex, borrowing the language of the Vatican, over the research of developmental biology is but another case in point where an anti-science attitude prevails. That they fail to see the problem of inequality that Sotomayor clearly underscores is perhaps the most worrisome dimension of this decision.

— Judith Butler, Distinguished Professor in the Graduate School in the Department of Comparative Literature and the Program of Critical Theory

UC Berkeley experts react to U.S. Supreme Court ruling on medical care for trans minors
 
Not Dr. Evil said:

Notorious psuedointellectual gender crackpot reacts to Skrmetti​

Lots of fallacious appeals to authority.​

Lots of bizarre appeals to "medical" and "scientific" findings that do not exist.

Lots and lots of overt science denial.

Your most recent book, Who’s Afraid of Gender?, discusses how “gender ideology” is used as a bogeyman to advance authoritarian policies. What are the broader implications you see in this decision?​

In upholding Tennessee’s law banning gender-affirming care for youth, the Supreme Court sets aside the findings of every major medical association that to deny such care constitutes a harm to the health of young people. The court surmises that harm may be inflicted by such care, but instead of backing up that point with reliable studies, they pose it as a hypothetical that can only imagine or conjecture possible harm coming from such care.

This decision rests on a confusion about what is “care” and what is “harm.” Indeed, the harm that the decision does by denying care to trans and gender nonconforming youth goes unremarked except in the searing dissent authored by Justice Sotomayor: “The court abandons transgender children and their families to political whims.” After all, she points out, boys can take the same medications to become more masculine, and girls can receive the same treatments to appear more feminine. It appears that only when the treatment allows for transition from one sex to another that it becomes problematic. But if trans people are deprived of a form of care to which non-trans people have access, how is that not a problem of unequal treatment?

Since no harm is done by hormonal therapy per se, we can only conclude that the court understands departures from sex assignment and its social expectations to be the problem. The court itself does harm to the 112,400 transgender youth in Tennessee according to the Williams Institute at UCLA, but it also poses a threat to much-needed care for the estimated 1.6 million transgender youth in the United States.

The court ruled that equal protection was not violated by the Tennessee law, but luckily the decision has no effect on transgender as a protected category under sex discrimination statutes, as established by the Supreme Court’s own decision in Bostock v. Clayton. Nor does it override parental rights to decide the best health care for their children, though it sets up a new possible legal challenge. Since the Tennessee law can still be challenged on other grounds, this is not the end of the story.

But the failure of the court to trust the scientific findings of major medical associations adds to the impression that state institutions decide matters of gender, sex and sexuality on political grounds rather than reflective and thorough review. The fact that Trump’s executive order cites the “immutability” of sex, borrowing the language of the Vatican, over the research of developmental biology is but another case in point where an anti-science attitude prevails. That they fail to see the problem of inequality that Sotomayor clearly underscores is perhaps the most worrisome dimension of this decision.

— Judith Butler, Distinguished Professor in the Graduate School in the Department of Comparative Literature and the Program of Critical Theory

UC Berkeley experts react to U.S. Supreme Court ruling on medical care for trans minors
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These TRAs keep using the appeal to authority argument when it comes to anything trans related. Question, if the majority of medical experts supports transitioning then why do none of these experts go to the court room and prove to the judges that the evidence is there? Do they seriously think that everyone in the courtroom is an idiot and doesn't listen to what the TRA side says?
 
I call shenanigans said:
As far as I can now, I’m trying to use the terms men, women, trans identifying men, and trans identifying women. It’s hard because many don’t understand that a TIM is a male pretending to be a female, and a TIF is a female pretending to be a male. I just feel the need to lose the doubled up adjectives because they can’t change the actual scientific meaning of male, female, woman and man. If “trans identifying” anything is so offensive to trans activists, then they should understand why “cis” is so offensive to the rest of the population.
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I dont love "trans identifying" because, to me, "identifying" in this context means "pretends to be". These people are transgender - the important part is what being transgender means. Being transgender means pretending to be the opposite sex. "Trans identifying" is tautological because its saying theyre pretending to pretend to be something they are not. Anyone can choose to be transgender, and if somebody wants to be transgender thats entirely their business.

Where it matters and becomes my business is when they expect everyone else to be either socially or legally compelled to play pretend with them, or for them to think it gives them access to spaces, services or opportunities intended for people of the opposite sex. Or if they expect me to pay for them to grow tits.

Oh and when they use their transgenderness to set themselves up as some sort of authority on sterilising other people's kids.

As somebody in the UK who has held the above position for some time its been enormously gratifying watching the political class and now courts come around to my way of thinking.
 
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diroama said:
I dont love "trans identifying" because, to me, "identifying" in this context means "pretends to be".
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Fair point.

While nuanced, I think it’s closer to the point with the addition of the sex the person is, TIF or TIM — I appreciate the context of reality in the acronym. The fact that the actual sex of the troon is reflected in the title is nice.

But it’s a question of style 🤷
 
Not Dr. Evil said:
Talk about being completely out of touch with reality......

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Wrong! The aggressively bigoted and violent campaigns led by trans people are clearly responsible.

The majority of these mad fuckers will never understand that their evil actions led to their downfall and they are dragging the rest of the alphabet menace with them. The next generations are going to despise them and they deserve it.
 
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