Disaster Trans surgery ‘may be judged’ a mistake by future generations

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The surgical removal of healthy breasts from girls who identify as boys is an experiment that future generations may judge harshly, a psychiatrist has warned.

Demand is rising in rich countries for this procedure, often rebadged as “top surgery” or “chest reconstruction” because even the word “breast” is seen as distressing for teenage girls and young women who want a masculine look.

Writing in the prestigious journal, Archives of Sexual Behavior, Melbourne psychiatrist Alison Clayton argues that transgender mastectomy may with time be seen as “dangerous medicine” like discredited past practices such as psychiatric lobotomy, which won a Nobel prize in 1949.
Dr Clayton highlights a similar lack of solid evidence for the benefits of trans mastectomy.

“It is surprising that clinicians and researchers claim chest surgery for youth (who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria) is an evidence-based intervention,” she writes.

She says only a handful of low-quality, short-term studies support claims of mental health benefits for trans mastectomy with teenagers, making this “an experimental treatment” in need of more rigorous, ethics-approved research.

Levi, an 18-year-old Melbourne trans man who says he was a former patient of the Royal Children’s Hospital, is one of the growing number of young adults to use the crowd-funding platform GoFundMe to raise money for top surgery; on Friday he had $2316 towards his $6000 goal.

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There are an estimated 10,000-plus GoFundMe top surgery accounts internationally.

In her peer-reviewed letter, Dr Clayton anticipates readers rejecting any parallel between gender medicine for young people today and “cruel historical treatments” such as lobotomy.

She points out those abandoned treatments were “widely celebrated” at the time, including “uncritical press” coverage of “bold medical heroes with the courage to take ‘desperate remedies’ required to cure ‘desperate ills’.”

Meanwhile, researchers from the University of Melbourne and the influential RCH gender clinic suggest it may be ethical to begin offering trans mastectomy in children’s hospitals.

Under-18 trans mastectomy by private surgeons is thought to be uncommon but there is no good data.

In the Wiley journal Bioethics, the Melbourne researchers argue it is discriminatory to deny “chest surgery” to transgender male adolescents when it’s on offer to “other adolescent males” for distress over the condition gynaecomastia or “man boobs”.

The paper, with health ethicist Rosalind McDougall and RCH clinic director Michelle Telfer among the five authors, also cites “privacy” as a factor in favour of chest surgery.

“A transgender male with visible breasts has a body that discloses his transgender status to others, whether he wants this information known or not,” the authors write.

They say the “limited” research on chest surgery with adolescents suggests short-term mental health benefits. They found only two studies, with no long-term follow-up, and admit this makes a risk-benefit analysis difficult.

“However, as in many areas of healthcare, decisions about the care of current patients need to be made despite this uncertainty, based on the available evidence,” they say.

A recent survey of regretful “detransitioners” found it took on average almost four years before young people decided that medicalised gender change was a mistake.

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On Tuesday Greens leader Adam Bandt presented to federal parliament a petition with more than 148,000 signatures urging full Medicare coverage for “gender affirming” surgery and hormonal drugs.

“(People) in need of gender-affirming surgery must pay a lot of money, up to $30,000, so they can finally have their outward appearance match how they truly feel on the inside,” the petition launched by Alyssa Kennedy-Whiting says.

Mr Bandt announced a plan to spend $15m a year to cover out-of-pocket expenses for gender affirming medicine. His office did not reply when asked how much of this would go to under-18 patients.

It is Greens policy to allow “transgender young people” access to hormones without a court order. In 2020, the Family Court stressed that judicial approval was sometimes necessary, for example if parents disagree about treatment for a minor.

In 2019, the RCH clinic director Dr Telfer told Victoria’s royal commission into mental health that “many” of her new, “post-pubertal trans male” patients wanted “chest reconstructive surgery”, and the hospital had the expertise but not the funds.

Dr Telfer said there were “no private surgical services available for (trans) adolescents under the age of 18 years in Victoria, leaving them with no option but to seek chest reconstructive surgery interstate or overseas should they be unable to manage their distress until they turn 18 years of age”.

“There is a significant gap in Victoria’s current health care system with the absence of public funding for chest reconstruction surgery despite the high demand for this evidenced-based intervention.”

The RCH-issued “Australian Standards of Care” for minors with gender dysphoria cover “top surgery”, and say the role of mental health professionals includes “counselling of the adolescent and their parents/caregivers on the available options for gender affirming surgical procedures such as chest reconstruction with referral where appropriate”.

Asked whether the RCH clinic referred its patients to private surgeons for top surgery or other “gender affirming” surgery, the hospital said on Thursday it was “not aware” of any such referrals. The clinic takes patients up to the age of 17.

In May, the ABC Australian Story program quoted Dr Telfer as saying: “We don’t provide any surgery (for gender clinic patients). To access surgery, one has to enter the adult system and that only occurs once someone’s over the age of 18”.

One of the studies shown to the royal commission by Dr Telfer included patients as young as 13 referred for top surgery by America’s biggest gender clinic run by physician Johanna Olsen-Kennedy at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles.

In that 2018 study, lead author Dr Olson-Kennedy said there was no previous data showing the effect of chest surgery on minors.

Yet three years before, she had already been promoting this procedure, claiming it was “easy, safe, available, and ‘absolutely lifesaving’,” Dr Clayton says in her peer-reviewed letter to Archives of Sexual Behavior.

Dr Olson-Kennedy, listed as a keynote speaker for next year’s Darwin conference of the gender clinicians lobby the Australian Professional Association for Trans Health, said in 2015 that genital surgery on minors, a more radical procedure than top surgery, was “on the horizon”.

She said “the difficulty of genital surgery is that it is surgical sterilisation and people get super worked up about that … it is a barrier we have to overcome and I think we are going to”.

Dr Clayton warns it may not be straightforward for clinicians to secure informed consent for gender affirming medicine.

“A necessary condition for (informed consent) is clinician honesty, which is not met if clinicians overstate the evidence base or act as ‘cheerleaders’ for transition,” she writes.

RCH says its multidisciplinary gender treatment is based on the “best available medical evidence” and follows “strict clinical governance standards”.

The Australian sought comment from Dr Telfer and Dr Olson-Kennedy.


 
Replace "may" with "will" and then the article's title is honest.

It will be viewed the same way lobotomies are viewed, except that we allowed it to fuck over far more people. That is assuming we are not in some gay communist space dystopia...which I honestly can't say won't happen at this point.
 
Even though the 41% meme has risen to 50%, people think it's because transtrenders need more body-destroying shit.
 
It is judged as a mistake now.
at least we're finally seeing it in print for affirmation. It is not enough to shout that the emperor has no clothes, we must take pictures and publish articles on it to remind the dumb fuck and his entire court that it happened.
 
In the Wiley journal Bioethics, the Melbourne researchers argue it is discriminatory to deny “chest surgery” to transgender male adolescents when it’s on offer to “other adolescent males” for distress over the condition gynaecomastia or “man boobs”. The paper, with health ethicist Rosalind McDougall and RCH clinic director Michelle Telfer among the five authors, also cites “privacy” as a factor in favour of chest surgery.

“A transgender male with visible breasts has a body that discloses his transgender status to others, whether he wants this information known or not,” the authors write.
Bioethics, not even once.
 
And water is wet. Trailer park crystal meth is arguably safer than the medication needed to "successfully" transition. Doctors letting people freebase shit like opioids isn't a precedent you want to continue.
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“The difficulty of genital surgery is that it is surgical sterilisation and people get super worked up about that … it is a barrier we have to overcome and I think we are going to”.

Gotta keep pushing that Overton window
 
Look, if some tard is that willing to be insufferable to the point where she gets to be a member of the itty-bitty-titty-committee forever, let her.

This is the female version of chopping your dick off. Just let it happen because they are fucking stupid. We are sending a lesson to the medical community here because for some reason they forgot their purpose is to be objective and "to do no harm". They thought that part of the oath was optional and you could just do whatever because subjective feelings.

It isn't your tits/wang. They really really want it (for now) and will ruin you if they don't get it. Let it run it's course. Hopefully somebody learns something.
 
It was judged as a mistake even before this current generation, who are they kidding? Mutilating people and lopping off perfectly healthy, completely functional body parts was considered the work of less-than-scrupulous doctors. It is with current change in social/political optics that it's starting to be more tolerated, but even then the results are gruesome and hard to stomach due to the fact this type of surgery is still relatively new and not well-researched in terms of healing and recovery.
 
im surprised such wrongthink could even get published. maybe there is hope for a medical pushback
 
I do feel like the trans fad will end sooner rather than later. When it does, I hope all these doctors encouraging people to mutilate their bodies find their medical licenses revoked on ethical standards, and I hope all the "trans activists" who have tried to control and manipulate society are never allowed to live down all the damage they have caused.
 
This is the female version of chopping your dick off. Just let it happen because they are fucking stupid.

If we mutilated every teenager who was stupid, we would have died off before leaving Africa. When medical doctors start lying and poisoning people for profit, you can't throw all the blame on the people who hoped they could get out of their depression with a couple hours under the knife.
 
If we mutilated every teenager who was stupid, we would have died off before leaving Africa. When medical doctors start lying and poisoning people for profit, you can't throw all the blame on the people who hoped they could get out of their depression with a couple hours under the knife.
yeah this level of cynicism is way too malicious and dark even for my ultra blackpilled ass

you can't subject kids to a lifetime of lgbt propaganda, mindbreaking them to the point of being near suicidal, and then turn around and unironically put the blame on the individual when they go ahead and submit to the mutilation surgery that society has told them will solve all their problems.
 
If we mutilated every teenager who was stupid, we would have died off before leaving Africa. When medical doctors start lying and poisoning people for profit, you can't throw all the blame on the people who hoped they could get out of their depression with a couple hours under the knife.
Agreed. But they won't fucking listen and have a retarded amount of political power. Who signed off on this?

This is like when they let doctors endorse cigarette companies. We all know it is wrong. But the only way to teach their establishment is to knock their girl-dicks into the dirt.

If some weird smelly girl's boobs and some pervert's dick must be the sacrifice, so be it. They asked for it and wouldn't fucking listen to us when we told them it was fucked up. Called us Nazis and shit. Tarnished the names of those who spoke the truth with slander.

Not cool.

It's the lesson the entirety of society needs right now. Let them be the willing sacrifice to learn this lesson... again. We don't need to crucify ourselves upon the altar of Political Correctness for the purposes of keeping people who don't listen to reason from playing in traffic. They should have known better and the people who put them up to it should be the ones held accountable, not us. Fuck 'em.
 
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Obviously it will, it's going to seen as a barbaric means of dealing with mental illness, like drilling holes in someones head to leave out evil spirits but worse
 
There are an estimated 10,000-plus GoFundMe top surgery accounts internationally.

Horrifying. Don't donate to them. You are helping mentally ill children permanently mutilate themselves. Any doctor performing these surgeries should lose their license.

On Tuesday Greens leader Adam Bandt presented to federal parliament a petition with more than 148,000 signatures urging full Medicare coverage for “gender affirming” surgery and hormonal drugs.

“(People) in need of gender-affirming surgery must pay a lot of money, up to $30,000, so they can finally have their outward appearance match how they truly feel on the inside,” the petition launched by Alyssa Kennedy-Whiting says.

Mr Bandt announced a plan to spend $15m a year to cover out-of-pocket expenses for gender affirming medicine. His office did not reply when asked how much of this would go to under-18 patients.

It is Greens policy to allow “transgender young people” access to hormones without a court order. In 2020, the Family Court stressed that judicial approval was sometimes necessary, for example if parents disagree about treatment for a minor.

So waste 15 million a year to mutilate genitals and lop off tits. There's no way this won't encourage more trannies just because it's covered and Reddit groomers are shooing their little eggs towards the freedom that tit lops and dick chops will give them.

Let's give children access to HRT without parental consent. A few years down the line when they 41% I hope mom and dad sue everyone who allowed this to happen.
 
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