Opinion Trans Reality: “I Didn’t Know There Was Another Side” - Skeptic magazine

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American culture is prone to psychological and medical contagions. An idea catches fire, seeming to be a plausible and important explanation of a familiar problem — depression, anxiety, eating disorders, sexual dissatisfaction. The idea outruns evidence. Experts emerge to treat people suffering from the problem, exploiting the most credulous. They open clinics. They give prestigious lectures and write books. They make fortunes. They blur the diverse possible origins of a person’s difficulties, attributing them all to the latest explanation.

Throughout the 1980s, the hot explanation was childhood sexual abuse: you have an eating disorder? Your father (or grandfather, or uncle, or close family friend) probably molested you. You don’t remember that? You repressed the memory. In the 1990s, it was Multiple Personality Disorder: your other personality remembers the bad stuff; let me give you a little sodium amytal to bring it out. In the 2000s, it was PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder), said to apply to all traumatic experiences from war to an unwanted touch on the shoulder. Tearful sufferers tell horrific personal stories, and who could doubt them? Who wants to be accused of being misogynist, antifeminist, or simply cold and heartless?

In the case of the recovered-memory epidemic, for example, many state legislatures, confronted with countless stories of repressed memories of sexual abuse, began expanding the statute of limitations, permitting lawsuits to be filed against alleged perpetrators from years since the abuse occurred to years since the victim remembered the abuse. The door was thus opened for people to sue their fathers, priests, teachers, and neighbors 20, 30, and even 40 years later, and they swarmed through. “We didn’t know there was another side,” said an Illinois legislator, explaining the haste to extend the statute of limitations. There was.

I am old enough to have lived through too many of these social contagions, seeing how they rise, generating more and more believers and patients while trampling skeptics and doubters; and how, over time, as patients’ symptoms worsen, as cases of family devastation escalate, as recanters begin telling their stories, we start hearing the other side — from researchers, practitioners, and intrepid journalists.

Today, once again, the public is hearing only one side of an emotionally compelling issue: the transgender story. Once again, distinctions are ignored, this time between people for whom identification with the other sex began in early childhood and those whose rapid onset gender dysphoria started during adolescence. Yet the difference between the two groups is itself a fascinating and puzzling phenomenon. Historically and cross-culturally, it is not uncommon for some very young children, mostly boys, to reject their natal sex early on and grow up to be gay or to live in an official, socially accepted category, a “third sex,” such as berdache among Native Americans (the term is now “two-spirit”), hijra in India, muxe in southern Mexico. But the last decade has seen an explosion of rapid onset gender dysphoria, which is occurring mostly among adolescent girls who are unhappy with their bodies and their sexuality and are persuaded that this discomfort is a sign they might be transgender.

Adolescence is rarely an easy time, but life for most American teenagers now is more difficult than it has ever been, as rising rates of depression, anxiety, and body dysmorphia indicate. In a world where “gender identity” has become such a dominant theme, infusing language, art, and politics, where young people struggle to decide if they are cis, gay, other, pan, a-, or some combination, no wonder it has become the explanation du jour of the difficult miseries of adolescence — anxieties exacerbated by COVID, climate change, the economy, school costs, and uncertain futures. Saying you suffer from “gender dysphoria” is cool and common, just as saying you were sexually abused in your youth once was. It explains everything. It gets attention and support. Sometimes gender dysphoria is the explanation; statistically, given the tiny percentage of actual transgender people in the population, far more often it isn’t.

So let’s consider the story that isn’t being told. The public hears trans people tell how their lives were saved, their misery ended when they transitioned, their relief to be in the right body at last. The public hears that without the legal and medical opportunity to transition, young people are at high risk of suicide. Reporters cover tragic, infuriating stories of the hateful bigotry and violence that many trans people endure — and make no mistake, they do. Supporting “gender affirming” clinics therefore seems so obvious, so morally right, so sex-positive. What could go wrong, what could be wrong with offering unhappy children and teenagers this option, even if they are just entering puberty? Countless parents agonize over this question, wanting to be liberal and tolerant, wanting to do the right thing — but not knowing what that is.

An August 6, 2021 episode of WNYC’s “On the Media” illustrates the problem: the hosts focused on efforts “to block access to medical care for trans kids,” the “politics and propaganda behind the recent wave of anti-trans legislation,” and “what the science tells us about gender affirming care in adolescence.” But “On the Media” did not tell the full story. The usually thorough reporters did not invite a cultural historian to wonder why “gender affirming” clinics have proliferated, from only one in 2010 to more than 400 today, offering puberty blockers and hormones to facilitate the change, including helping teenage girls have “top surgery” to remove offending breasts; or why the sex ratio of transgender claims has changed so dramatically. “On the Media,” of all programs, did not even consider the role of the media in generating and perpetuating social contagion effects.

In its most glaring omission, “On the Media” said not a word about the “desisters,” a term often used for those who make a social transition (changing their names and pronouns) but do not persist in having surgery and hormones or changing their gender identity, and often change back; or about the many (possibly thousands of) “detransitioners” who now regret that they had medical procedures. Many of them are bitter and angry that they have had irreversible voice and hair growth changes, underwent surgical procedures that cannot be corrected, and have become infertile. Elie Vendenbussche, in the Faculty of Society and Economics, Rhine- Waal University of Applied Sciences, Kleve, Germany, did an international on-line survey of 237 male and female detransitioners, who reported “a major lack of support” from the medical and mental-health systems and from the LGBT+ community.

The results were illuminating. Fully 45 percent of them said they had not been fully informed about the “health implications of the accessed treatments and interventions before undergoing them.” (An additional one-third felt “partly informed.”) They also suffered serious psychological problems — “gender dysphoria, comorbid conditions, feelings of regret and internalized homophobic and sexist prejudices.”1 “On the Media” did not contact any of the support and advocacy groups that have proliferated — Detrans Voices, Post Trans, and the Detransition Advocacy Network among them. (I had no idea how many of these groups now exist; our leading news media don’t report on them.) But the available research on the harms of premature life-long medical interventions is why Finland and the Karolinska Institute in Sweden have stopped routine hormonal treatment of youth under age 18, and put psychological interventions and social support ahead of medical interventions, particularly for adolescents who have no childhood history of gender dysphoria.

The fundamental problem, a sure sign that we are in the midst of a social contagion based on pseudoscience and not the emergence of a science-driven medical advance, is that researchers and professionals who want to raise any questions or concerns have been silenced with vehement and often ugly accusations of transphobia and bigotry, their work shut down, some of them fired. Many gender professionals have marginalized, bullied, and tormented their colleagues who disagree. Politically organized “transactivists” protest that any research on, say, factors contributing to the rise of cases of gender transition, the potentially negative consequences of transitioning, or the importance of counseling and treatment before transitioning are indications of the unacceptable idea that gender transition is a pathological problem or disorder. Their second silencing tactic is to conflate psychological interventions with “conversion therapy,” a long-discredited effort to “cure” gay people and turn them straight. Conversion therapy for gay people is cruel and it doesn’t work, which is why it is illegal in many states. But providing psychological counseling before providing irreversible medical procedures for adolescents who are questioning their gender identity is not remotely comparable, especially when the vulnerable young person is also suffering from comorbid conditions, as the vast majority are, including depression, anxiety, and, evidence is now suggesting, autism.

Research is desperately needed, and if transactivists truly care about the mental and physical health of trans people, they should be demanding it—not shutting it down.

Transactivists also cite as a main reason for “gender affirming” approaches the scary statistic that if young people are denied the means of transitioning early, nearly 41 percent will attempt suicide, and many will succeed. That’s an astonishing number — virtually an impossible number — but it generates the sense of urgency to perform interventions as soon as possible. Parents understandably panic — ”oh my God, if I don’t allow this now, my child might die.” Therefore the number warrants careful consideration. The 40.4 percent statistic is from one study done seven years ago, the 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey, based on a sample of transgender adults. About 82 percent reported ever seriously thinking about suicide in their lifetimes, while 48.3 percent had considered suicide in the past year; 40.4 percent reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes, and 7.3 percent reported attempting suicide in the past year. A sad picture, to be sure, but the research did not determine whether the suicidal thoughts originated before or after transition, or for that matter had anything to do with transgender concerns, or at what age.2 “Transgender people have many of the same risk factors for suicidality as found in the U.S. general population, such as depression, substance use, and housing instability,” the report noted, and indeed the trans people most likely to report thinking about suicide were those who were in serious psychological distress, in poor general health, and who reported heavy alcohol or illicit drug use. They were also more likely to have a disability, been homeless in the past year, or been arrested for any reason. Are these problems independent of having transitioned, a cause, a consequence, or all of the above? Research is desperately needed, and if transactivists truly care about the mental and physical health of trans people, they should be demanding it — not shutting it down.

But we may, at last, be entering a new phase. As usual, we can thank the first wave of writers who have refused to be cowed or bullied — Abigail Shrier in Irreversible Damage, Kathleen Stock in Material Girls, Helen Joyce in Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality. Detransitioners are growing in numbers, blowing the whistle on the unregulated gender-identity medical clinics that have sprung up overnight (reminding me of all the Multiple Personality Disorder clinics that likewise mushroomed across the country, until malpractice lawsuits shut them down). Those who study cultural contagions advise us to follow the money. And indeed, these clinics and a new legion of specialists are making plenty of money off every aspect of transitioning: offering to harvest a teenage girl’s eggs so she can have children later, when she is a he; voice therapists, offering their services to those wanting to transition and to those detransitioning, who want their old voices back; cosmetic surgeries, of course. No wonder they support the “gender affirming” belief that all of this is best for the child. No wonder they object to asking crucial questions, such as at what age are teenagers mature enough to give informed consent to treatments and interventions that may be irreversible and destroy their fertility: 13? 16? 18? And who makes the decision? The teenager? The parent, often risking the anger of their child, who demands hormones now (or else … suicide)? The clinic, eager to hand out hormones and puberty blockers without the pesky delay of psychological counseling?

Finally, though, gender specialists are breaking into media venues that once would have blocked the door to anyone questioning transactivist beliefs. In November, 2021, Laura Edwards-Leeper and Erica Anderson, two psychologists whose practice has been devoted to offering transgender patients ethical, evidence-based treatment, wrote an editorial in the Washington Post. Their trans-supporting credentials are flawless. One was the founding psychologist of the first pediatric gender clinic in the U.S.; the other is a transgender woman. They have held leadership positions in the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH). They vigorously asserted their support for “appropriate gender-affirming medical care for trans youth, and … are disgusted by the legislation trying to ban it.” But they are alarmed by the “skyrocketing” number of adolescents requesting medical care: “Now 1.8 percent of people under 18 identify as transgender, double the figure from five years earlier.” They are horrified by the rise in gender clinics that have spurred “many providers into sloppy, dangerous care … . We find evidence every single day,” they wrote, “from our peers across the country and concerned parents who reach out, that the field has moved from a more nuanced, individualized and developmentally appropriate assessment process to one where every problem looks like a medical one that can be solved quickly with medication or, ultimately, surgery. As a result, we may be harming some of the young people we strive to support — people who may not be prepared for the gender transitions they are being rushed into.” Tragically, they added, the informed treatment they call for is in short supply: “the demand for competent care has outstripped the supply of competent providers.”3

Read that again: “Nuanced, individualized and developmentally appropriate assessment” has yielded to a rush to medical intervention. That’s where the money is. That’s where the panic is — no time to waste! That’s where the social contagion is. And “competent providers”? How, where to find them, as the demand that they be “gender affirming” supersedes a staggering absence of empirical research?

By now, medical historians have enough information to give us the larger picture. In “The Gender Affirmative Treatment Model for Youth with Gender Dysphoria: A Medical Advance or Dangerous Medicine?” Alison Clayton traces the 20th-century rise of medical advances and “dangerous medicine,” which is “invasive, risky, and lacking a rigorous evidence base,” yet catches hold of physicians and the public. Over time, as people become more skeptical, the dangerous practices suddenly are seen as “not being as beneficial as claimed and as causing more harm than acknowledged. It comes to be mostly seen as misguided, occasionally even criminal.” In thinking about the gender affirmative treatment approach for youth with gender dysphoria, including the prevalence of masculinizing chest surgery, she asks: “Is this approach a medical advance or is it a contemporary example of dangerous medicine?”4

For me, the answer is clear. The pattern repeats: vulnerable patients flock to an explanation; experts exploit many of them; dissenters are silenced. Eventually, as the “other side” starts telling their stories, the bubble bursts, the contagion slows. It’s happened before in medical history; perhaps it will happen again.
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The results were illuminating. Fully 45 percent of them said they had not been fully informed about the “health implications of the accessed treatments and interventions before undergoing them.”
That many of them seriously weren't aware that chopping off their dicks or grafting a frankenpenis onto their groins would have serious health implications? How the fuck is that possible?
 
Throughout the 1980s, the hot explanation was childhood sexual abuse: you have an eating disorder? Your father (or grandfather, or uncle, or close family friend) probably molested you. You don’t remember that? You repressed the memory.

If you weren't there to see it happen, you might never realize how fucking huge repressed memories "uncovered" via hypnosis was. I think that whole thing came to a crashing halt when they found their control groups of toddlers "uncovered" rape fantasies.

Go figure, for the most successful therapists, who uncovered the most frequent degeneracy, the common denominator was always the therapist.
 
That many of them seriously weren't aware that chopping off their dicks or grafting a frankenpenis onto their groins would have serious health implications? How the fuck is that possible?
The average person rarely thinks about the long-term consequences of their actions.
It took me a while to realize that my own actions have repercussive effects down the line.
 
The average person rarely thinks about the long-term consequences of their actions.
It took me a while to realize that my own actions have repercussive effects down the line.
I mean sure, that's true, but we're talking about agreeing to surgery that removes major body parts. In the case of male to female "reassignment" surgery, it also creates a literal open wound channel in your pelvis. It is unfathomable to me that someone wouldn't at least consider "huh, I might have significant issues with this at some point." Then again, these are fucking crazy people we're talking about here (or just young and naive), so your point is well taken.
 
That many of them seriously weren't aware that chopping off their dicks or grafting a frankenpenis onto their groins would have serious health implications? How the fuck is that possible?
This is always the excuse when people regret their decisions. "Well I didn't know it would be bad! How was I supposed to know that if nobody told me?!" Of course, even if someone did tell them, it's still going to be everyone else's fault for not telling them in the right way, or not telling them adamantly enough. I think it's an ego preservation thing.

Anyway, I'm really glad the author of this article also brought up past psych fads like "repressed memories", PTSD, etc. Because she's absolutely right, these fad diagnoses become catchall explanations for everyone's problems for a bit, and there's always a cult-like aspect to it where the true believers will browbeat others into not questioning it. And it nearly always involves the exact same defense you see from the cows over in the munchie thread when they encounter any skepticism: Of course their explanation is true, because it's so horrible that nobody would ever lie about it, and you're heartless for ever thinking that somebody would.
 
Yep. And most of the times, it spreads to the rest of the world too.
Every single tranny I've come across on dating platforms in central Europe has been nice and considerate. "that's me, deal with it". Done. Americans? It's their fucking lot in life, it needs to be included in everything. You can clock Americanized trannies immediately based on their values. I fucking loathe how the US spreads its shitty issues worldwide because they've got monopoly on the internet.
 
If you weren't there to see it happen, you might never realize how fucking huge repressed memories "uncovered" via hypnosis was. I think that whole thing came to a crashing halt when they found their control groups of toddlers "uncovered" rape fantasies.

Go figure, for the most successful therapists, who uncovered the most frequent degeneracy, the common denominator was always the therapist.
Led to a whole rash of criminal trials against falsely accused day care workers. Most of these were reversed but one guy is still in jail thanks to Janet Reno.

And it traces back to a sketchy book and a doctor's romantic relationship with a patient:
Michelle Remembers is a discredited 1980 book co-written by Canadian psychiatrist Lawrence Pazder and his psychiatric patient (and eventual wife) Michelle Smith.[1] A best-seller, Michelle Remembers relied on the discredited practice of recovered-memory therapy to make sweeping, lurid claims about satanic ritual abuse involving Smith that contributed to the rise of the Satanic ritual abuse moral panic in the 1980s.[2][3] While the book presents its claims as fact, and was extensively marketed on that basis at the time, no evidence was provided; all investigations into the book failed to corroborate any of its claims, with investigators describing its content as being primarily based on elements of popular culture and fiction that were popular at the time when it was written.

The book chronicles therapy sessions between Pazder and Smith and alleged recovered memories of satanic rituals she claims she was forced to attend. Pazder stated that Smith was abused by the "Church of Satan," purportedly a worldwide organization predating the Christian church. The first alleged ritual attended by Smith occurred in 1954 when she was five years old, with the final one an 81-day ritual in 1955, that supposedly summoned Satan himself and involved the intervention of Jesus, the Virgin Mary, and Michael the Archangel, who removed the scars received by Smith throughout the year of abuse and blocked memories of the events "until the time was right". The book claims that during the rites, Smith was allegedly tortured, locked in cages, sexually assaulted, forced to participate in various rituals, witnessed several human sacrifices, and was rubbed with the blood and body parts of various sacrificed infants and adults.
Pazder and his first wife Marylyn had four children together and were married for many years, until he developed a relationship with his patient Michelle Smith. Court documents filed in the divorce proceedings indicated that between March 1977 and June 1979 Pazder disappeared with Smith (co-author of Michelle Remembers) for lengthy periods of time.[3] In 1979 after a rejected attempt at annulment, Pazder divorced his first wife[3] and later married his former patient and co-author, Smith.[3][4]

And of course, Oprah was involved:
In 1989, almost 10 years after the publication of Michelle Remembers, Oprah Winfrey featured Smith as a guest on her show alongside Laurel Rose Willson, author of the equally fictitious Satanic ritual abuse survival memoir Satan's Underground [and false Holocaust survivor], which was published using the pseudonym Lauren Stratford. Both women's experiences were presented by Winfrey as incontrovertible fact, and not once did she question the authenticity of any claim in either book.
 
I remember when the recovered memory shit went around.

Someone mentioned the drugs they used and my mind instantly recalled the fucking CIA ops in the 60's and 70's using the exact same drugs to program people.

That's when I figured it was either a mass glowie-op or someone had read all about the fuck Majestic-12 and other shit and decided to see what they could do to their mental patients with it, or both.
 
If you weren't there to see it happen, you might never realize how fucking huge repressed memories "uncovered" via hypnosis was. I think that whole thing came to a crashing halt when they found their control groups of toddlers "uncovered" rape fantasies.

Go figure, for the most successful therapists, who uncovered the most frequent degeneracy, the common denominator was always the therapist.
This is one of those things I’ve never been able to quite sort out, but I absolutely swear there are links between the modern day social justice movement, the subculture of support/therapy/self-help groups, and things like the repressed memory fad and books like The Courage to Heal. The general narrative of these things, the behavioral quirks of the people who get into them, and even the vocabulary used is just too eerily similar.
 
the absolute funniest part of the trans movement will always be how histrionic they get whenever they encounter even one single piece of dissenting information, no matter the source. this is definitely the sign of somebody who absolutely knows who they are on the inside & is confident in their own identity, a constant screaming need to seek out anybody who even indirectly denies their mind palace reality and write twenty paragraphs about how they're not just wrong - the fact that they're wrong is so implicitly obvious it's not even worth stating explicitly - but that they are, in fact, literally directly contributing to the oppression and dysphoria and indeed the suicidal urges of all trans people everywhere, even the ones who didn't read their article about how maybe we should slow down a little and reexamine all this trans stuff. very healthy & normal
 
If you weren't there to see it happen, you might never realize how fucking huge repressed memories "uncovered" via hypnosis was. I think that whole thing came to a crashing halt when they found their control groups of toddlers "uncovered" rape fantasies.

Go figure, for the most successful therapists, who uncovered the most frequent degeneracy, the common denominator was always the therapist.
Wasn't there to see it happen live but I've read the book Michelle Remembers. TLDR: A girl named Michelle went to see a therapist who helped her uncover memories of her father forcing her to take part in a weeks long satanic blood orgy in a graveyard when she was like seven. In order to summon the devil into the world. If i remember right it didn't take long to be proven completely false. As if the story wasn't ridiculous on its face. She claimed among other things the ritual took place in a small graveyard that had a residential neighborhood on three sides. there was round the clock blood sacrifices of humans and animals as well as a nonstop orgy in the blood. Apparently no one noticed the satanic ritual taking place. Point being the current trans fad is another moral panic. instead of satanists everywhere it's transphobes murdering the trannies in droves. So we must protect trannies at all costs and give them whatever they want.
Edit: just went back and looked and despite the story being completely insane. impossible, and inconsistent it was widely believed at the time and may have jump started the satanic panic of the 80's.
 
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Led to a whole rash of criminal trials against falsely accused day care workers. Most of these were reversed but one guy is still in jail thanks to Janet Reno.

And it traces back to a sketchy book and a doctor's romantic relationship with a patient:



And of course, Oprah was involved:
Can we blame Oprah for getting all of these fads getting of the ground? Maybe what the OP article is observing isn't some natural tendency of American society, but the work of a well-oiled marketing machine, whipping up a new fad every decade so that TV doctors can get rich.

This is one of those things I’ve never been able to quite sort out, but I absolutely swear there are links between the modern day social justice movement, the subculture of support/therapy/self-help groups, and things like the repressed memory fad and books like The Courage to Heal. The general narrative of these things, the behavioral quirks of the people who get into them, and even the vocabulary used is just too eerily similar.
Hit the nail on the head! SJWs are almost always "mental health advocates", it's how "trigger warning" became a meme in the first place, it's basically the therapy subculture imposing its own internal "logic" on every perceived problem in the Western world. Crime? Poors didn't see enough social workers. Pollution? Toxically masuculine management weren't taught to respect Mother Earth and due to unresolved internal issues pursue profit at all costs to shore up their fragile egos. Inequality of outcome between demographics? Deep-seated -isms that we need an entire class of pseudo-therapists to ferret out. I wonder if this is why Jordan Peterson was especially hated, he isn't just an academic eroding their alleged monopoly on the "Science", he isn't merely another guy questioning the troon thing on a big platform, he was also blowing the whistle from within the therapy subculture, the glue that holds the whole coalition together, while offering an alternative (even if it was generic dad advice with more elaboration) to their "validation" and "reciting mantras to make the regret from your shitty choices go away" approach.

Naturally their solutions increase the rate of mental illness because the subculture has to propagate itself. Though Paul Gottfried has been calling it the Therapeutic State since the early 2000s so the brokebrains are likely just another client group rather than changing things on their own.
 
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This is one of those things I’ve never been able to quite sort out, but I absolutely swear there are links between the modern day social justice movement, the subculture of support/therapy/self-help groups, and things like the repressed memory fad and books like The Courage to Heal. The general narrative of these things, the behavioral quirks of the people who get into them, and even the vocabulary used is just too eerily similar.
You're looking for the APA, I'd imagine.
 
I mean sure, that's true, but we're talking about agreeing to surgery that removes major body parts. In the case of male to female "reassignment" surgery, it also creates a literal open wound channel in your pelvis. It is unfathomable to me that someone wouldn't at least consider "huh, I might have significant issues with this at some point." Then again, these are fucking crazy people we're talking about here (or just young and naive), so your point is well taken.
I agree, but tbh it's not easy to find resources that are honest about trangender surgeries. Places like tumblr, reddit, and twitter are filled with nothing but glowing reviews, either from botched troons in denial about their own surgeries, or from fetishes who write erotic fantasy and present it as factual. If you have any questions or concerns about the surgeries, troons quickly sweep in to reassure that everything will be fine.

Popular TRAs and troon doctors promote lies about how neovaginas are just like the real thing, so much so that gynecologists can't tell the difference. Popular media promotes theses ideas too. Good luck simply searching for opposing viewpoints; Anything contrary to these myths is either hidden, removed, or labeled as 'transphobic'.

Even if you find a website or post that mentions the risks, they are always downplayed and seen as rare. And if you do manage to come across stories from troons that admit they are botched and they clearly regret their surgeries, they always say "Sure, I'm botched and in pain, but I don't regret the surgery! I'm still happier this way than I was with a functioning penis!"

And don't even get me started on the troon doctors themselves. They are greedy bastards that have no problem lying and downplaying risks in order to get fresh troons to butcher.
 
I don't personally like the concept of ROGD because it implies these people are experiencing the nebulous entity that is gender dysphoria when in reality it's usually a cocktail of other untreated and unchecked mental illness / autism that's exasperated by a need to belong and a cult like mentality in their 'safe spaces' that prey on the people they can see aren't normal, don't fit in, have past trauma, etc.

It's like grass is greener as a disease and rarely does it have anything to do with gender dysphoria, it's more like life dysphoria where you think doing all these things will magically give you a second chance and an escape from your issues- but it doesn't. You just end up mutilated and chasing an end point that will never actually come until you die.
 
That many of them seriously weren't aware that chopping off their dicks or grafting a frankenpenis onto their groins would have serious health implications? How the fuck is that possible?
1. Any even mildly discomforting statements/comments that make them feel bad are to be disregarded wholesale as transphobic.
2. Even people with good intentions get tired of the response from troons.
3. Eventually time lets them "forget" all those times people were big fat meanies about their transition.
4. You wind up with statistics like this because it is less damaging to their ego to pretend they were lied to rather than admitting they knew the risk, they took the risk, and now they are big mad/sad they wound up on the losing side of the proposition.
 
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