💬 Off-Topic Tranny Biology - HRT Is Magic

[Comfy Summer]

Can someone explain to me where did this "sex is a spectrum" retardation came from? The binary explains so easily the "intersex" conditions. Someone paid a lot of people for this idea to be spread, I do not believe any impartial biologist would fall for this shit.

 

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

Can someone explain to me where did this "sex is a spectrum" retardation came from? The binary explains so easily the "intersex" conditions. Someone paid a lot of people for this idea to be spread, I do not believe any impartial biologist would fall for this shit.

In my opinion, it's because they worked backwards from how they believe they feel and came to their conclusion from there. If sex is binary, but I don't "feel" like either one of the binary options, I feel like some middle, third option. That must mean that there IS some middle, third option, and since I don't believe sex is determinative it HAS to be a spectrum.

Realistically it could be because people used gender and sex interchangeably for long enough that people argue that they are essentially the same thing, despite the fact that "gender" is how you feel about your sex and your sex is determined by your chromosomes. It's merely word games in the end since you also cannot nail down the definitions of any of their "nu-gender words" because they weren't meant to be definable.

 

[Comfy Summer]

In my opinion, it's because they worked backwards from how they believe they feel and came to their conclusion from there. If sex is binary, but I don't "feel" like either one of the binary options, I feel like some middle, third option. That must mean that there IS some middle, third option, and since I don't believe sex is determinative it HAS to be a spectrum.

Yeah, I have this impression as well. And it's so crazy because the vast majority of troons aren't even intersex in any way. They are muddying the waters to some way make transgenderism more valid as a whole.

 

[Jacques1194]

I know I'm replying to my own comment but looking at the bottom Reddit comments, aren't these people's comments contradicting? First off, what does the second to last comment mean by how one can innately "feel" that their gender changes? What exactly would trigger this change? If it's taking different hormones then when would the person need to detransition when their brain changes to the other gender, otherwise their dysphoria got bad? Also, what would happen if a TIM got surgery to get his penis removed when his genderfluid brain thinks hes a woman, but then it turns back into a man?

The last comment claims that the brain can change, and genderfludity is from a brain in "genderfluid mode" (whatever the fuck that means) experiencing chemical variations? Where is the evidence for this? Even in pro trans studies on brains, no where does it ever explain anything about how a genderfluid brain works, and again, they admit that they don't understand how internal gender works but insist that there's so much evidence backing the idea of inner gender identities.

 

[Screamer_2]

Yeah, I have this impression as well. And it's so crazy because the vast majority of troons aren't even intersex in any way. They are muddying the waters to some way make transgenderism more valid as a whole.

The argument that "sex isn't binary, intersex" is often used as a counterpoint, but it oversimplifies the issue. Intersex conditions are rare medical anomalies, not evidence against a binary norm. For example, humans typically have two arms, yet congenital limb differences don't negate this standard. They like to use it as a gotcha. "But intersex... check mate."

Gender theories, rooted in post-structuralist and postmodernist academia, view reality as socially constructed, rejecting objective truths. These perspectives often frame societal inequalities as products of flawed social constructs, suggesting that dismantling them could lead to a fairer, utopian society.

This ideology applies to gender by challenging traditional stereotypes, but it struggles to reconcile with biological realities. So it ignores them. Anything that is a biological reality is still viewed as a social construct. Yet in denying inherent differences between sexes, it sometimes paradoxically reinforces strict gender stereotypes.

Gender stereotypes are bad, but when someone is trans they cling to the stereotypes because they believe that is what makes someone gender.

This kind of thinking is seeping into many aspects of society. I saw a story on TV the other night about how female athletes get more ACL injuries than males. It was presented as women aren't supported in sport as much as men. Mocked a study being done into periods and women's sport. It couldn't report on the story in a manner that accepted biological differences between men and women. When the reality is men and women have different muscle strength, which impactsthe stability of the legs. Different angles (q angle) of the bones, which impacts the joins and tendons. Then the period study they mocked, ignored that hormone fluctuations during periods actually impact your body and elasticity.

 

[Unifier of Hispania]

people used gender and sex interchangeably for long enough that people argue that they are essentially the same thing

Both terms were understood to mean the same thing for 400 years (maybe even more) before Queer Theory came along.

 

[█████████]

Both terms were understood to mean the same thing for 400 years (maybe even more) before Queer Theory came along.

Wait till they start promoting MAP Theory and claiming age is a fluid social construct. Or Therian Furry Theory where species is a fluid social construct.

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

So the MTF troon takes first place at the track and field championship qualifiers and the TRAs STILL insist that there is no advantage or unfairness.

Results of trans athletes performance at CIF Championships

 

[NoCockatrice]

If I find a scientific article that touches the subject of transsexual brain differences, is it appropriate to post it here? Or should I use a different thread?

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

Here is the latest confirmation that there is no legitimate medical benefit from troonery.

 

[NoCockatrice]

Here is the latest confirmation that there is no legitimate medical benefit from troonery.

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I don't see how can you not find giving puberty blockers to kids creepy or at least concerning on a biological level. How does their brain not go "hey, that's a bit too much" when they advocate for that shit?

They don't care about these kids, hell, they don't even care about supposed "successful transition" of these kids, they just want to have a position that is opposite to conservatives. "Everything they say is bad I'll say is good, that makes me sooo rebellious"

 

[crab hole]

Here is the latest confirmation that there is no legitimate medical benefit from troonery.

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Conclusion
Participants initiating medical interventions for gender dysphoria with GnRHas have self- and parent-reported psychological and emotional health comparable with the population of adolescents at large, which remains relatively stable over 24 months. Given that the mental health of youth with gender dysphoria who are older is often poor, it is likely that puberty blockers prevent the deterioration of mental health.

Why were the kids started on GnRHas in the first place if their mental health was comparable with adolescents at large when using objective measures?

Also this preprint was released a couple weeks ago. GC journos need to tune up their google alerts, unless they meant to make statements to align with the NYTimes The Procedure podcast.

 

[UncleTusky]

"The authors theorized that these children with gender dysphoria would have deteriorated absent the treatment".

So the pro troon argument is conjecture and a fascinating bit of statistical abuse.

Spoiler: I sat through statistics and enjoyed it, now you all get to learn

For those without 200-level knowledge of statistics: There is a subspecialty of statistics called inference that is used to draw conclusions about population metrics or compare metrics between two populations (usually a mean but it can also be used for standard deviation and even whether there is a trend between two parameters) based on information from a much smaller, albeit representative, sample.

This is an extremely powerful tool that underlies much of modern medical research and testing - subjecting the entire population of would be patients to a developmental treatment is expensive and infeasible, so drug manufacturers test on clinical trial patients and extrapolate those results to the population at large. More often than not this is done with two groups, one getting a placebo and one getting the real treatment, and the doctors use inference to determine whether the treatment is better than the placebo.

None of this is controversial, and it is by and large a successful idea.

Now for the catch: In the forms of inference I am familiar with, you start with a null hypothesis (yes really they named a math term for Dear Feeder) that you assume is true, and only reject it if the results from your sample are so incompatible with your null hypothesis that the difference cannot reasonably be due to chance. Normally inference is done at the 95% confidence level (i.e. 5% chance that you incorrectly infer the null hypothesis is incorrect), for some specialty manufacturing applications you can see a confidence level of 99.99% or even higher.

By now most of you have probably guessed what comes next - your choice of null hypothesis determines both whether you reject it and the implications of that rejection/failure to reject (I was taught that you never confirm a null hypothesis, only that you fail to reject it).

To take my post back to gender treatments: Setting a null hypothesis of 'gender treatments are better than no treatment' will lead to radically different conclusions from setting a null hypothesis of 'gender treatments result in functioning comparable to healthy children' even if both null hypotheses would be rejected based on the same data and it looks like that is how these people tried to spin their study finding gender treatments are quackery.

 

[Positron]

"The authors theorized that these children with gender dysphoria would have deteriorated absent the treatment".

So the pro troon argument is conjecture and a fascinating bit of statistical abuse.

This statement appears only in the abstract and only mention in passing, in hedged words (potentially preventing worsening mental health) in the body of the paper. This smack of ass pull. The authors make no attempt to compare their group to similar aged youths with gender dysphoria. Any reviewer of this paper would have told the author to delete this unwarranted conclusion. Speculation on counterfactuals is very bad form in scientific writing.

The language of the authors makes no secrets where their bias lie (emphasis mine):

Previous research demonstrates that most but not all youth who initiate care with puberty blockers go on to use appropriate hormones for induction of aligned secondary sex characteristics​

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

If I find a scientific article that touches the subject of transsexual brain differences, is it appropriate to post it here? Or should I use a different thread?

Depends on its conclusions. "Scientific" studies regarding transpeople is the collection thread for science and ..."science" on the subject. This thread is more about the weird delusional magical thinking that exists in concert with it. Just a scientific paper by itself, probably better in that thread. A paper plus a conclusion section that says "This 0.05 degree difference in curvature on this specific brain fold between these two men PROVES one of them is a girl! Her boobs and vagina and skin attachment pattern and hair growth pattern merely didn't grow in as a fluke!" is definitely Tranny Biology.

ETA, thread tax:
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MATI, but I hate every bit of this kabuki performance every shitlib does on this subject. Whaaaaaaaaaat how could Imane Khelif poooooossibly have some suppoooooosed advantage if "her" hormone levels passed the test back then, what's the problem?

Every single goddamn one of you lying weirdos in that thread knows exactly what's up here. Maleness is not a snapshot of one day of testosterone levels. He went through male puberty. His body has been subject to processes female bodies have not. His bones are denser. His muscles are bigger and more efficient. He has greater upper body strength. This playacting about the current level of one sex hormone determining everything about someone's biological makeup is troon brainrot infecting the normie population; this entire thread is a theatrical performance where every participant is showing off how well they can say their tranny rosaries. It's not a "question" or "answers".

 

[Jacques1194]

So there was a thread on the PoliticalCompassMemes subreddit where its reacting to Stanford Medicine's definition of what a woman is

I feel like I'm losing brain cells whenever I read TRA comments. I don't get how anyone can take this movement seriously when the followers have convinced people you can make a definition circular which in turn makes it meaningless and people just have to accept it. If this was any other thing (especially if this was religion and God) these same people would be completely unconvinced by your argument. But transgenderism is the only ideology that's allowed to get away with it.

 

[Screamer_2]

So there was a thread on the PoliticalCompassMemes subreddit where its reacting to Stanford Medicine's definition of what a woman isView attachment 7497993I feel like I'm losing brain cells whenever I read TRA comments. I don't get how anyone can take this movement seriously when the followers have convinced people you can make a definition circular which in turn makes it meaningless and people just have to accept it. If this was any other thing (especially if this was religion and God) these same people would be completely unconvinced by your argument. But transgenderism is the only ideology that's allowed to get away with it.
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Whenever I have gotten into a discussion with people who support this stuff, it always ends up that they have fallen for the appeal to authority logical fallacy.

It has been declared this is what gender is by the authority and they put no thought into it.

You discuss it, and you can make them confused pointing out the flaw because biological reality exists and they know it. However, you're not the authority for what is correct. I have told this story many times on here but I had a big blow up with a long time friend about this and simply going, "ok, so trans women are women but you're wife and a trans women are still different, how would you define that difference?" He was completely stumped. "I hadn't thought about that." The dude's a fucking corporate lawyer.

He just accepted the trans stuff. I also know a lecturer at a college who has told me that students, mainly male are just told by her to shut up, stop asking questions and go along with it to do their gender studies adjacent course work because they literally can't answer the basic questions.

I know plenty of people who accept all this, "If that's what someone feels like, just go along with it." As if it's that simple. You mention any of the issues and it's the 1984 wrong think and everyone wants to shut it down, in a manner that it is like protecting me from saying the wrong thing.

It's all so fucking insane.

 

[twentyZeroOne]

How does one go about procuring pooner juice as an actual man?

 

[Jacques1194]

Whenever I have gotten into a discussion with people who support this stuff, it always ends up that they have fallen for the appeal to authority logical fallacy.

It has been declared this is what gender is by the authority and they put no thought into it.

You discuss it, and you can make them confused pointing out the flaw because biological reality exists and they know it. However, you're not the authority for what is correct. I have told this story many times on here but I had a big blow up with a long time friend about this and simply going, "ok, so trans women are women but you're wife and a trans women are still different, how would you define that difference?" He was completely stumped. "I hadn't thought about that." The dude's a fucking corporate lawyer.

He just accepted the trans stuff. I also know a lecturer at a college who has told me that students, mainly male are just told by her to shut up, stop asking questions and go along with it to do their gender studies adjacent course work because they literally can't answer the basic questions.

I know plenty of people who accept all this, "If that's what someone feels like, just go along with it." As if it's that simple. You mention any of the issues and it's the 1984 wrong think and everyone wants to shut it down, in a manner that it is like protecting me from saying the wrong thing.

It's all so fucking insane.

I feel like this is the only argument that TRAs have right now. A follow up thread appeared today on r/ PoliticalCompassMemes and the response from a TRA is that doctors have tried several times to get their patients to accept who they are and it only made things worse. Have they though? The problem I have with this is that with how small the trans population is, its impossible to know if accepting reality has helped. Considering that some TRAs like Anthony Reed thinks there are millions of trans people than whats reported, how do we know that some of these kids have accepted themselves for who they are? Heck, I've seen some people online that have talked about how they'd explored their gender and have accepted their biological sex. Even my own mother said that growing up that she hated being a girl and wanted to be a boy. Nowadays, she just accepts herself and has never thought about suicide. So how do we know that doctors have tried when we don't really know the number of trans people there are if the definition is so vague?

 

[Screamer_2]

feel like this is the only argument that TRAs have right now. A follow up thread appeared today on r/ PoliticalCompassMemes and the response from a TRA is that doctors have tried several times to get their patients to accept who they are and it only made things worse. Have they though?

The most rational and in reality trans people I have ever seen accept the biological realities. Although always with the distance of people I don't actually know.