💬 Off-Topic Tranny Biology - HRT Is Magic

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Jacques1194 said:
Posting a lot in this thread because its really interesting seeing the bizarre pseudoscience TIPs believe in. This time around, TIM claims trans women are a result of evolution because...women being oppressed for thousands of years created a difference in the brain development of male babies to shift the balance of power in their favor? Thus trans women were made to save women?
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The problem with this isn't that it doesn't understand anything about genetics or evolution, that's all completely wrong of course, but that it doesn't understand probability. If the purpose of trans women was to balance out the male-female dominance, and it's had hundreds of thousands of years to do this, why is the % of trans women not even 1% of males? Additionally this would be a poor way of doing it because 50% of babies will be males, so the amount of trans women have to outweigh the advantage males apparently intrinsically have over women.

If women could control the traits of their offspring it would make more sense for them to improve their female children and weaken their male children to address the balance than to spawn a tiny useless minority that's a dead end for reproduction.

Lastly, I have to note that if this was the goal, women could simply kill some number of their male babies and achieve the same effect much faster without having to develop mystical control over evolution. Surely, the spiritual connection between all women that's causing them to evolve trans women could coordinate this. I guess the main problem is that there's simply no way to identify the sex of babies to know if they're male or not.
 
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Jacques1194 said:
Posting a lot in this thread because its really interesting seeing the bizarre pseudoscience TIPs believe in. This time around, TIM claims trans women are a result of evolution because...women being oppressed for thousands of years created a difference in the brain development of male babies to shift the balance of power in their favor? Thus trans women were made to save women?
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I mean, you could maybe argue that the rise in trannys is based on over population? That there's some secret in our DNA that makes us not want to actually reproduce if there's too many humans? But you know they'd never look into that.

The argument that people are greedy, and upon seeing that one person has something makes another want it as well could also work.

That or we have a rise in mental illness caused by a pornsick population. Who knows.

But it takes a special breed of stupid to claim a man parodying a woman is there to help women.
 
Jacques1194 said:
I asked this question before to TRAs and never got a response. If transgenderism (man trapped inside woman's body and vice versa) was a real thing then it honestly begs the question. Is it possible that people can be born in the wrong body if they were uncomfortable with any other part of their body that had nothing to do with their sex? What if some white kid hated being white and thought he should have been born black or vice versa? Obviously, TRAs dont like the concept of transrace but even still, shouldn't scientists be asking the question of "Is it possible that maybe some people are born in the wrong body?" Why is only when someone feels alienated from their sex that is the only time someone is born wrong but not any other time someone feels alienated with another part of their body?
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The obvious and simple answer is because none of the conceivable alternatives provide cooms. You could include most cosmetic surgery under this umbrella (I was born with the wrong nose, I was born with the wrong size/shape breasts, I was born with the wrong jaw) but these are small potatoes in comparison to chopping your cock off or bolting breasts onto a man, so there's no mental gymnastics required to force societal acceptance of these things.

The similarly drastic measures, like people who want to remove limbs, or change race, are ludicrous - as is GRS - but don't provide cooms to anyone (or if so a small and universally regarded as degenerate group i.e. amputee fetishists).

They can't tell the truth and say "I need a big pair of tits and a pussy because I think that's hot" because that's fucking vile, so it has to be framed as some sort of tragic mix-up at birth that naturally must be rectified by medical intervention. This lie has entered the general public perception which is why AGPs are no longer the only people transitioning.
 
Elderly beef taco said:
I mean, you could maybe argue that the rise in trannys is based on over population? That there's some secret in our DNA that makes us not want to actually reproduce if there's too many humans? But you know they'd never look into that.
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I think that theory only works if all trans people are homosexual—check out the thread on troons in female dating apps and you will quickly learn that that is not the case.

It's a porn/fetish critical mass (even before the days of the internet—a lot of the 'old guard' troons cite Jorgensen as an inspiration). I'm sure this meme has been shared here before, but: 41rnqk8it6ay.png
 
By this logic, nobody can say that they "feel like a woman" because no one knows how everyone experiences life. This goes back into what I said about how if being a man or a woman is something that is subjective then nobody can really claim to being born in the wrong body because two men can claim that their idea of being a woman is completely contradicting from each other. If one TIM claimed that being a woman doesn't require surgery and HRT and just cross dressing, but the other needed surgery and HRT because that's how he sees being a woman is, then there's no one who can feel like a woman. For all of TRAs talk about how complex biological sex is, their demand that gender identity should be what determines who someone is has a lot of holes and problems with it.
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Jacques1194 said:
For all of TRAs talk about how complex biological sex is, their demand that gender identity should be what determines who someone is has a lot of holes and problems with it.
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The "complicated" biology in question:
there are two sexes in humans: male and female. Humans can experience DSDs that can also be separated into male DSDs and female DSDs. In humans, there is heterosexuality (opposite sex attraction), bisexuality (attraction to both sexes), and homosexuality (same sex attraction). Humans may experience a range of mental disorders, such as schizophrenia and BDD which can alters one sense of self and sense of attraction (paraphilia). Addiction is another thing humans struggle with, primarily negatively affecting the Prefrontal Cortex. A region in the brain known for emoptional regulation, sexual behavoir, and decision making.

Isn't science amazing? No emotions, no "I feel"s. No finger pointing, no bias, no mental gymastics. Just raw reality.
Biology isn't as mysterious as people think it is. They look at other animals and go "well why aren't we like their species?" then try to use their species's science to decide our species's science is flawed.
 
And they repeat the bullshit that everybody has a "gender identity." I cringe when normies use their language like "cis."
 
AirdropShitposts said:
The problem with this isn't that it doesn't understand anything about genetics or evolution, that's all completely wrong of course, but that it doesn't understand probability. If the purpose of trans women was to balance out the male-female dominance, and it's had hundreds of thousands of years to do this, why is the % of trans women not even 1% of males? Additionally this would be a poor way of doing it because 50% of babies will be males, so the amount of trans women have to outweigh the advantage males apparently intrinsically have over women.

If women could control the traits of their offspring it would make more sense for them to improve their female children and weaken their male children to address the balance than to spawn a tiny useless minority that's a dead end for reproduction.

Lastly, I have to note that if this was the goal, women could simply kill some number of their male babies and achieve the same effect much faster without having to develop mystical control over evolution. Surely, the spiritual connection between all women that's causing them to evolve trans women could coordinate this. I guess the main problem is that there's simply no way to identify the sex of babies to know if they're male or not.
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Took me a while to reply because I've been thinking about this. If trans people are a result of evolution then why doesn't the concept of a "gender identity" exist in other mammals, especially our ape cousins? I know some of them have argued that "intersex conditions such as the female lion born with a mane is proof" but thats not a gender identity, that's a genetic disorder. I'm talking about a male monkey that thinks he's a female monkey or vice versa. I know they'll argue that humans evolved differently from other animals but even so, what exactly would be the reason for gender identity to even exist? This is the problem with transgenderism and their attempt to eliminate biological sex. They can't make gender identity be something that determines who someone is because other animals don't have that concept. Not to mention, troons themselves are a genetic dead end just by wanting to remove their genitals and even if they dont, most females wouldn't want a mentally ill man for a partner. So what exactly would be the benefit for humans to evolve to where biological sex doesn't matter but some unprovable gender identity does?
 
Even if other animals had that concept, why would it matter? It'd always wind up being irrelevant because "gender" or "gender identity" are worthless concepts altogether. The fact they're used to supersede tangible and meaningful structures in our society like sex-exclusivity is the issue. Sex is the only thing that matters and a "gender identity" that differs has to always be treated as "this man wants to mimic or believes he is a woman." Nothing else.
 
Jacques1194 said:
By this logic, nobody can say that they "feel like a woman" because no one knows how everyone experiences life. This goes back into what I said about how if being a man or a woman is something that is subjective then nobody can really claim to being born in the wrong body because two men can claim that their idea of being a woman is completely contradicting from each other. If one TIM claimed that being a woman doesn't require surgery and HRT and just cross dressing, but the other needed surgery and HRT because that's how he sees being a woman is, then there's no one who can feel like a woman. For all of TRAs talk about how complex biological sex is, their demand that gender identity should be what determines who someone is has a lot of holes and problems with it.
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Twix Eatr said:
Sex is the only thing that matters and a "gender identity" that differs has to always be treated as "this man wants to mimic or believes he is a woman." Nothing else.
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Bringing evolution into the mix on this topic is also really stupid - evolution is driven by sex, but more importantly, evolution is driven by having viable offspring who can do the same. Having a gender identity that doesn't match your sex would be selected against in the animal kingdom. If a female bird refuses to mate unless the male lives up to HER expectation of what a viable male should be, what are the chances a female bird would find a retarded and confused male bird acting like a female bird and decide to mate anyway? Zero. Completely typical males are passed over and they tick 98% of the boxes they are supposed to with regard to being a viable mate - they just didn't dance well enough, or have bright enough feathers, or built a mostly OK nest.

How is anyone supposed to believe gender identity is evolutionary when it demonstrably LOWERS fitness and likelihood to mate successfully? It has the exact same stink as the niggers who claim "alternate tellings" of history are just as valid so they can believe they ancestors been invent de blacksmithing dem slave owners used around de farm.
 
Jacques1194 said:
By this logic, nobody can say that they "feel like a woman" because no one knows how everyone experiences life.
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Re: the screenshot, that's cool and all, except trannies aren't saying "the way I experience my identity is similar to the way I perceive this thing" they're saying "I literally AM this thing." The former is a subjective statement, but the latter is making an objective claim. "I experience my identity in a similar way to how I perceive a teapot" is different from "I am a teapot (and you are obligated to give me surgery so I can have a handle and a spout)." The former makes you a silly person, but the latter makes you delusional. You can't say the latter but expect people to respond as if you said the former.
 
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MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti said:
If a female bird refuses to mate unless the male lives up to HER expectation of what a viable male should be, what are the chances a female bird would find a retarded and confused male bird acting like a female bird and decide to mate anyway?
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Funnily enough, there are examples of animals that will mimic females to trick males, but this is always done to give themselves an advantage over other males, never to actually 'be' a female themselves.
Cuttlefish males form harems of females (being much larger and stronger), so some males that are smaller and would never win in a fight for dominance instead pretend to be females in order to be accepted into the harem and can then sneakily mate with the larger males females without him even realising.
Some male garter snakes release female pheromones for a while after hibernation, which causes other males to pile on them thinking it's a female. This gives extra warmth to the trickster male, who then has enough body heat to start heading off to find actual females before the others can, since they wasted their own energy and heat on a fake.
There are dozens of other examples, but again, they are all done either to gain a sneaky advantage in the mating game, as part of a survival strategy or as a defence mechanism to avoid fighting dominant individuals. There are no animals that will pretend to be a female and then keep doing it outside of these situations.
 
Anyone else supremely bored of the constant drumbeat of "intersex conditions exist, therefore transitioning makes sense"? Yeah I also could have been born deaf; jabbing scissors in my ears is the only path forward.
 
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