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Respect our superior Lunarian queens.
I still can’t believe the Lunarian sisters’ reputation still hasn’t fully recovered due to KKHTA.
Gacha and Western tourists have been a disaster for this cornerstone of internet nerd culture.
Isn’t there only one terrible Gacha that is Lost Words? Also the series’ doing well enough in Japan itself to the point of not having to worry about nor cater to western tourists.

I think the problem you described is more due to the cultural environment behind 2000s and early 2010s internet no longer existing.
 
I still can’t believe the Lunarian sisters’ reputation still hasn’t fully recovered due to KKHTA.
I think their reputations were bad from the get-go because people didn't take too kindly to a bunch of new characters coming out of nowhere and beating up their favorites. I still see some acting butthurt about it. That garbage sure didn't help though.
Isn’t there only one terrible Gacha that is Lost Words?
There was another one that got shut down, Touhou Cannonball. It's marginally better than L*st W*rd because a bunch of cute Live2D models came out of it.
 
I'm just here to remind everyone that a significant proportion of the major Incidents in Gensokyo would have never happened if moon whores wouldn't damn cock-tease mortal men who happen to be the direct blood relations of spiteful women willing to spend hundreds, if not thousands, of years working towards vengeance.
Ought to start asking about the (((Lunarian))) question.
 
Isn’t there only one terrible Gacha that is Lost Words?
KanColle sapped a good third of Touhou fan artists just on its own before Azur Lane came along and ganked it in return, and practically none of those artists have come back. FGO has also had a pretty disastrous effect on Touhou's popularity among fanartists.
Also the series’ doing well enough in Japan itself to the point of not having to worry about nor cater to western tourists.
I disagree with this. Excluding AI slop, Touhou only sees about a quarter, I would say, as many posts daily on Pixiv as it did about six or seven years ago, despite Pixiv growing in activity (even excluding AI slop). Again, when was the last time we actually saw a PV on par with what Innocent Key or IOSYS used to put out from around 2006-2014? Akatsuki's the only circle that even bothers at all, and again, all of theirs just use two or three PNGs of the character in focus and maybe some 3D models for non-character elements if you're lucky.

We're definitely never getting a Memories of Phantasm-level fan work again because of how much steam the community's lost, that's for sure.
 
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Excluding AI slop, Touhou only sees about a quarter, I would say, as many posts daily on Pixiv as it did about six or seven years ago, despite Pixiv growing in activity (even excluding AI slop).
Interesting, I wasn't aware just how much the series has declined in terms of fan creation volumes.

The reason I thought Touhou is doing relatively well in Japan is because I heard the series is somehow very popular among Japanese kids. There are so many young fans that kids and teens make up a significant portion of convention attendees in Japan

I remember reading that the primary reason Flandre returned in TH17.5 was because ZUN saw a drawing of Flandre on display when picking up his kid from school and finally realized how popular the character actually was. Unfortunately I can't find the source for this atm.

There are also drawing contests specifically for young fans, here are some award-winning examples from elementary school kids:

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Apologize in advance if these all got posted before in this thread.

Again, when was the last time we actually saw a PV on par with what Innocent Key or IOSYS used to put out from around 2006-2014?
Unfortunately I don't know that much about PVs. I am also gonna be honest I used to just see Touhou as no different than other "anime" back in those days. I only started to gain interest rather recently through playing Mystia's Izakaya a couple of years ago.

How is this relevant? Because I think Touhou is doing very well when it comes to fan games. There are many high quality games out there that's continuing to draw in new fans. So while the PV scene is declining, fan game creation is definitely booming.

We're definitely never getting a Memories of Phantasm-level fan work again because of how much steam the community's lost, that's for sure.
I think it's just because that era of passionate fan creation is gone. I don't really see outstanding fan works with that level of detail in more popular communities either. But again that's just my very limited perspective so you might want to correct me on that.

Touhou also no longer holds a monopoly in fanworks. There are way too many popular IPs fighting for attention now. You mentioned Azur Lane and FGO, there's also Blue Archive, Genshin, and that new horse game that so many people seem to love. The fact that Touhou, with almost zero financial backing from its creator, is able to hold its ground against all these other more well-founded titles is honestly quite an impressive feat in itself.
 
Interesting, I wasn't aware just how much the series has declined in terms of fan creation volumes.

The reason I thought Touhou is doing relatively well in Japan is because I heard the series is somehow very popular among Japanese kids.
This is on of the best things happening with Touhou right now. Tourists and gooners go out, kids come in. It makes sense: Touhou's official content is pretty family-friendly, the parents are not afraid to let the kids enjoy it. Of course there's a lot of r34 fan content, but it's something you can filter to a certain degree. Also, the majority of fangames are pretty tame, being a good initial contact with the franchise. Give Mystia's Izakaya to a kid who played Animal Crossing or Stardew Valley and you can be sure the kid is gonna like it.

I think it's just because that era of passionate fan creation is gone.
The insane monetization of everything is to blame. People used to create content out of passion; nowadays everything needs to be monetized - because if you don't do it, somebody else will. Internet 2.0 was a mistake.

The fact that Touhou, with almost zero financial backing from its creator, is able to hold its ground against all these other more well-founded titles is honestly quite an impressive feat in itself.
Lost Word only survives because of art, music, and the sunken cost fallacy of the whales. Having "Touhou" written on the name also helps massively, and indeed it's impressive how it can hold itself together against other gacha giants. But the gameplay is very outdated and repetitive in a bad way: the battle system is an obfuscating mess and I'm sure some shit doesn't work properly. It also bothers me how the characters are just static pngs during story scenes, when Live2D models are piss easy to make nowadays. Comparing it with Uma Musume is not even fair.

Personally, Lost Word would be a better game if it didn't had battles at all. The events themselves are very tame and whimsical already (a weird contrast with the main story trying to be dramatic and slightly edgy). A chill "Touhou Crossing" to play dress-up doll (and sell thousands of outfits, of course) would be miles better.

Or make it a card game. The girls are throwing Spell CARDS against each other, for fuck's sake.
 
Or make it a card game. The girls are throwing Spell CARDS against each other, for fuck's sake.
Fuck, I'd play Touhou Slay the Spire.
Oh, wait.
The insane monetization of everything is to blame. People used to create content out of passion; nowadays everything needs to be monetized - because if you don't do it, somebody else will. Internet 2.0 was a mistake.
Truly, Patreon, Fanbox, and Fantia have been a disaster for the Weeb Master Race.
 
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Truly, Patreon, Fanbox, and Fantia have been a disaster for the Weeb Master Race.
Fan-passion projects getting drowned by the sea of coomers to sites generate.
Well at least the Kids will inherit the Touhou Franchise and fields of yukkuris will roam free.
PD:What do you think will happen to the franchise after ZUN retires,i seen from a quote of an interview that he would be fine if he stopped making games after Touhou 20 (To be clear i don´t have the qoute exactly/interview)
 
PD:What do you think will happen to the franchise after ZUN retires,i seen from a quote of an interview that he would be fine if he stopped making games after Touhou 20 (To be clear i don´t have the qoute exactly/interview)
I don't think it'll be too bad, so long as he keeps making music, and maybe writing some manga.
...but I would be sad. I always loved that he started Touhou to sell his music, which is very counter-intuitive by itself, but it worked. So, losing out on that aspect would be bittersweet.
 
The reason Lost Word has lasted this long likely comes down to it being so low budget, compare it to Cannonball which came out of the gate with a fully animated OP, live2d and 3d chibi models, big name VAs, the works. Danmaku Kagura already couldn't last as a gacha, the only other one of note is Gensou Eclipse which is a shmup gacha from Cave, don't ask me how that's managed to stay afloat.
 
Touhou also no longer holds a monopoly in fanworks. There are way too many popular IPs fighting for attention now. You mentioned Azur Lane and FGO, there's also Blue Archive, Genshin, and that new horse game that so many people seem to love. The fact that Touhou, with almost zero financial backing from its creator, is able to hold its ground against all these other more well-founded titles is honestly quite an impressive feat in itself.
Touhou has the advantage of a long legacy, even if it lacks chink money for marketing. It's sad that Touhou is losing its throne, but the series as a whole got very lucky. It came out before all those chink gatcha and idol games. I still fail to understand why people would ditch touhou in favour of crappy gatcha games. . A part of what makes touhou good is that it lacks the corporate corruption and greed of gatcha games. Touhou is all organic and community driven.

Gensou Eclipse which is a shmup gacha from Cave, don't ask me how that's managed to stay afloat
I remember there was a lot of unfounded copium about this being a real Cave game rather than a Gatcha.
 
I still fail to understand why people would ditch touhou in favour of crappy gatcha games. .
There are some overlap but in general most gacha players never really cared or even knew about Touhou. Gacha titles also pay artists and creators for content. I know Genshin definitely does.
Touhou is all organic and community driven.
This is why I like Touhou. It is a cultural miracle that would never happen again. For me it reminds me of the old internet, a place where people actually come together to create and discuss things.
I don't think it'll be too bad, so long as he keeps making music, and maybe writing some manga.
...but I would be sad. I always loved that he started Touhou to sell his music, which is very counter-intuitive by itself, but it worked. So, losing out on that aspect would be bittersweet.
The music for TH20 is not very good… and the plot for that new manga of this literal who kicking every character’s ass pissed off a lot of fans, especially Satori fans. Not saying he doesn’t have it anymore but he better get his shit together.
 
The music for TH20 is not very good
Touhou music as a whole has felt lacking since 16. It feels like ZUN has just been remixing the same few songs barring some exceptions like stage 4 17 and the soundfont he's been using for the modern titles sounds like ass compared to older titles like MOF. Gameplay wise though, TH20 is the best the series has been in a decade.

This is why I like Touhou. It is a cultural miracle that would never happen again. For me it reminds me of the old internet, a place where people actually come together to create and discuss things.
This could be just because i'm a foreigner and wasn't around back then, but otaku culture as whole feels as if it's suffered the same fate as Touhou. You look at the early 2000s and everything was more personal, the games and art were all made by individual artists and small teams. Now I look at it and everything looks so fake and corporatized. I've seen so many videos of expensive booths, so obviously paid for by massive companies and it just takes away from the indie touch that what makes Touhou and VN's so charming.
 
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Don't mind me interrupting this hypothetical of sustaining the series after ZUN; for I have a quick report I'd like to make for those in the know, lurking around X.

A meme repost account, who shares the name of the funny arsonist, was placed under scrutiny a few days ago. Allegedly, this is for the crime of being "racist" and "stealing artwork/memes" off of 2hujerk according to the few.
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Within the scene of the happening, we have our typical grave-dancers cheering over our lovely Futo getting bullied out. BunnyCunny has also shown himself somewhat, albeit on the outdated username.
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Is all of these allegations true or is it children wanting to start shit with one another over nothing? Some of these days, one can't even tell the difference anymore.
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On the other aisle, EDZ the average big boob Touhou artist mourned over the account getting sniped. Before this, the two accounts were following each other because of their affinity for combining memes and lightly charged sexual content. And yes, what he was saying about the grave-dancers posting the "Hitler Dead" meme is, indeed, abundant in supply.
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It wouldn't remain quiet for too long, as the drama caught wind with few of the fandom's detractors.
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This Project 56 guy, who is one of the few personal cows of mine, is also a bit of an ESL schizoid. But he's not particularly wrong about the Western teenagers attempting to chew the remaining oldfags out of the series. Broken clocks being correct twice and all. While making this situation into a politics based shouting match, Elliott here also makes a little appearance with him!
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Though it looks to me that he's hardline coping about the fact that his preferred faction, the loli-liking canon-abiding nationalists from Latin American and Slavic countries, are filled with literal dumbasses who are blindly walking into more said shouting matches with queer kids and 20 something manchildren who draw yuri porn of Nintendo characters. Perhaps you should've just fucked off to continue calling people you don't like tourists from your favorite anime shows with Chibi.

But that is certainly not all! As the lolitrannies and their sympathizers have also decided to stir some trouble in the background. To explain, there was a minor crashing out over the existence of lolicons in the fanbase. In what should be the least surprising thing anyone can know about, he dials this up in wanting to declare an autistic jihad against what is the equivalent of cockraoches.
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Of course, you do have the bold and daring using old translated music room text from 2002 and a VTuber meeting ZUN on stream in order to make some sketchy point about him being a lolibro just like them. In the mist of irony, they've used similar tactics that genuine yuritards utilize to say that Touhou is about pure lesbian love.
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Reymyon also gives a shot at throwing stones in glass houses because people who do that definitely don't have anything in their closet, no sir. Except... xhey went on to get torn a new one by a few local lolicons, in their own little Blood v. Crip showdown. So clearly, the only winner here is neither of them because they're both bafflingly moronic and lust after underages, fictional or otherwise.
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What more can you say? Another day that ends in Y and the Touhou fanbase is still braindead.
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A meme repost account, who shares the name of the funny arsonist, was placed under scrutiny a few days ago. Allegedly, this is for the crime of being "racist" and "stealing artwork/memes" off of 2hujerk according to the few.
I've seen this guy way too many times before. The algorithm keeps shoving his unfunny tweets in my face.

I honestly thought you were gonna say he got exposed for being a jeet or something lol.
Though it looks to me that he's hardline coping about the fact that his preferred faction, the loli-liking canon-abiding nationalists from Latin American and Slavic countries, are filled with literal dumbasses who are blindly walking into more said shouting matches with queer kids and 20 something manchildren who draw yuri porn of Nintendo characters.
This, right here, sums up the current state of western 2hu fan base. These people act like literal cartoon characters with their absurd pettiness.
What more can you say? Another day that ends in Y and the Touhou fanbase is still braindead.
God speed Mr. 94 Civic. Thank you for your service.
 
I have fumo news:
So, I knew there was a discord that was hoarding information about how to make them n shit, and what materials to use. And that's the thing that's been eating my ass: what the fuck material do I fucking use! I got my samples of brushed-polyester shit in, and it's close, but it was too thick, so I decided to look up the discord again ..

I was going to ask my husband to join (I'm too anxious), and just have him ask where they're buying fabric from...
But in doing that, I found out someone has just dumped the info into a website.
like holy shit!!!
This is so fucking based
The purpose is to make the info public and free for all who might not be in the discord or want to join
They're buying fabric from here.

The music for TH20 is not very good…
I liked it, but I do wish he would focus more on melody over sounds. He's got a good ear for melody, and he does insane shit when he fucks around with time signatures...
like aaaaa shit is alternating 5/8 and 6/8
I love it.....
 
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