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You know you're doing well with your flagship series when people go "Oh, the newest entry is already out? Huh."
Of course, some people are already countering the negativity by claiming it's selling like hotcakes. There's threads on the Steam forums (that bastion of intellect) pointing at SteamDB and saying "Look, look! It's outselling Warhammer! It's the best selling TW title of all time!" not realizing that it's the currently top selling games, and that a new release is pretty much guaranteed to outsell a game that came out almost 2 years ago.

I love the Steam forums. It's like Youtube comments, but somehow even worse.
 
Gravityqueen4life said:
wait, so its out? had no idea.

of course they gonna make Greece and Mesopotamia DLC. (if they even get that far)
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Ahahahahaha. I can't believe they still will. I've checked the TROY and Three Kingdoms DLC and they in fact do. Thrones also have but its only 1. You can bet your ass they'll have at least one DLC for Pharaoh.
 
I'm not surprised it's looking pretty bad right now. They shoved all their devs into that shitty Overwatch clone and got shocked when no one wanted it. I'm actually not shocked that the current build is sparse and buggy. Also while a bronze age collapse can be a very interesting time period to do for an RTS, especially if you did it the Attila way? You'd need more than just Egypt and the Hittites or whatever for it to do well. No Sea Peoples, no Nuraghe builders, no Mycenaeans or Minoans.
 
Adamska said:
I'm not surprised it's looking pretty bad right now. They shoved all their devs into that shitty Overwatch clone and got shocked when no one wanted it. I'm actually not shocked that the current build is sparse and buggy. Also while a bronze age collapse can be a very interesting time period to do for an RTS, especially if you did it the Attila way? You'd need more than just Egypt and the Hittites or whatever for it to do well. No Sea Peoples, no Nuraghe builders, no Mycenaeans or Minoans.
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It seems all that Warhammer dicksucking has lead to CA being absolutely inept at historical research when doing other games. Pretty evident right after Rome 2.
 
Adamska said:
I'm not surprised it's looking pretty bad right now. They shoved all their devs into that shitty Overwatch clone and got shocked when no one wanted it. I'm actually not shocked that the current build is sparse and buggy. Also while a bronze age collapse can be a very interesting time period to do for an RTS, especially if you did it the Attila way? You'd need more than just Egypt and the Hittites or whatever for it to do well. No Sea Peoples, no Nuraghe builders, no Mycenaeans or Minoans.
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For real, I'm a Hittite Enjoyer myself but the fact that there's no Mycenean Greece and no Mesopotamia is downright criminal. Looks like if you want a proper Bronze age experience in TW you have to either wait for the Rome 2 Bronze age mod's campaign to get finished or play the Bronze age mod for Rome 1.
 
Big Brown Schlub said:
For real, I'm a Hittite Enjoyer myself but the fact that there's no Mycenean Greece and no Mesopotamia is downright criminal. Looks like if you want a proper Bronze age experience in TW you have to either wait for the Rome 2 Bronze age mod's campaign to get finished or play the Bronze age mod for Rome 1.
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This guy had the same sentiment, at best its a wait for a huge sale game right now.

 
I like the historical titles and even thought Troy was okay, but really, Pharoah? Who the fuck cares? It's the first Total War game that excites literally zero interest in me. I don't understand how they possibly decided that this should be the next game. You could develop a new Medieval, or Empire, or just redo the graphics of both or either; instead you make Pharoah? Troy was baffling, too, but at least they gave that one away for free.
 
Autistic Orson Welles said:
I like the historical titles and even thought Troy was okay, but really, Pharoah? Who the fuck cares? It's the first Total War game that excites literally zero interest in me. I don't understand how they possibly decided that this should be the next game. You could develop a new Medieval, or Empire, or just redo the graphics of both or either; instead you make Pharoah? Troy was baffling, too, but at least they gave that one away for free.
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They needed an easy cashgrab to keep interest afloat while they busied themselves with Hyenas.

With that turd permanently cancelled though, I wonder how murderous the mood is at CA atm. Their management must be panicking at the sheer wastage they have to answer for.
 
Autistic Orson Welles said:
I like the historical titles and even thought Troy was okay, but really, Pharoah? Who the fuck cares? It's the first Total War game that excites literally zero interest in me. I don't understand how they possibly decided that this should be the next game. You could develop a new Medieval, or Empire, or just redo the graphics of both or either; instead you make Pharoah? Troy was baffling, too, but at least they gave that one away for free.
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I have a feeling it was the title that would require the least amount of work. They reuse most of Troy for a quick and cheap injection of cash while they work on their now failed looter shooter. I just want Medieval 3, I just want to shoot french knights with English Longbowman, is that so much to ask?
 
I honestly dont even want Med/Shogun/Empire 3 at this point, they will probably fuck it up massively and make the Oda, Venice or Prussia day 1 DLC, or some shit

Either that or black french generals in the 1010s
 
Autistic Orson Welles said:
I like the historical titles and even thought Troy was okay, but really, Pharoah? Who the fuck cares? It's the first Total War game that excites literally zero interest in me. I don't understand how they possibly decided that this should be the next game. You could develop a new Medieval, or Empire, or just redo the graphics of both or either; instead you make Pharoah? Troy was baffling, too, but at least they gave that one away for free.
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I, for one, would absolutely love a bronze age TW and I would've been hyped for it if this was CA from 12 years ago. Hot off the release of Shogun 2 and with how good it was, it felt like they could've intentionally kneecapped themselves by making a game about some obscure war nobody fucking cares about and still knock it out of the park. But it's not, it's [CURRENT YEAR] CA. Quite frankly if they announced tomorrow that they're making Medieval 3 I'd have zero hype for it, because we know what the final product will look like - a game that's half finished by design so they can milk paypigs with DLC out the ass later. And while it sounds like I'm going full doom'n'gloom when it comes to CA and the future of the TW franchise (to be frank, I am), just be glad we got the GOOD Total War games and hey, you can still play them whenever you want. Hell, even a lot of the games that I don't like playing vanilla I still love playing with mods, Rome 2, Three Kingdoms and Empire have some mods that I just adore playing for example.
 
Mr.Miyagi said:
There's threads on the Steam forums (that bastion of intellect) pointing at SteamDB and saying "Look, look! It's outselling Warhammer! It's the best selling TW title of all time!" not realizing that it's the currently top selling games, and that a new release is pretty much guaranteed to outsell a game that came out almost 2 years ago.
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Oh no Pharaoh is for sure the bestest selling TW ever, just look at those player counts:

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OutInTheRain said:
I just want Medieval 3, I just want to shoot french knights with English Longbowman, is that so much to ask?
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Based and Agincourt pilled.

Sunflower Samurai said:
I honestly dont even want Med/Shogun/Empire 3 at this point, they will probably fuck it up massively and make the Oda, Venice or Prussia day 1 DLC, or some shit
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While I 100% agree that Day 1 DLC (and their DLC policy in general) is absolute fucking ass, it's not a dealbreaker for me personally because it's so easy to pirate. My only real dealbreaker is if they don't go back to a properly moddable engine. I still fucking love shit like Third Age Total War and DaC but I often struggle to go back and play them because of all the new shit I got used to that's missing from the older games.
 
East_Clintwood said:
While I 100% agree that Day 1 DLC (and their DLC policy in general) is absolute fucking ass, it's not a dealbreaker for me personally because it's so easy to pirate. My only real dealbreaker is if they don't go back to a properly moddable engine. I still fucking love shit like Third Age Total War and DaC but I often struggle to go back and play them because of all the new shit I got used to that's missing from the older games.
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They probably wont, easy modding just makes them unable to charge you for smaller shit
 
My new schizo theory is that CA refuses to develop Med 3 because the medieval period is too Euro centric and problematic for le current year. But honestly, I am really just trying to figure out how even a company that hates its audience like CA will do whatever it can to avoid developing the most anticipated TW by their entire audience for the past 10 years. Intentionally throwing out these bizarre spin off games nobody cares about is like a desperate bid to prove to investors that nobody cares about the series at all, while ignoring the fact that their company won't possibly survive with that same series. I hate them so much it's unreal.

East_Clintwood said:
My only real dealbreaker is if they don't go back to a properly moddable engine. I still fucking love shit like Third Age Total War and DaC but I often struggle to go back and play them because of all the new shit I got used to that's missing from the older games.
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CA actively makes sure that their games progressively get less and less moddable so you are railroaded to their DLC plan. Warhammer TW terms of service iirc outright prevent you from adding new content to the game (granted that some people try to excuse it by blaming GW, but the fact is that these games are intentionally designed not to be mod friendly).
 
I haven't played any of the Saga games which this seems to be more or less just without the branding
but why is it that when I look at them they feel like stripped back console spinoffs rather than fully fledged games in their own right?

Also echoing some other people but I had no idea this game was already out.
Seems like CA is in for a rough time.
 
What I don't understand is how no one has stepped up to the plate and tried to fill the gap in the market that CA is leaving. Maybe Real Warfare from the 2010s but even then the campaign was an after thought. Paradox has the campaign on lock but always leaves me wanting a battle map.

I was playing Medieval 1 again recently just for the sake of it and damn me if wouldn't sell today with updated graphics and some QoL changes. Even the boardgame feel to the campaign which I'd forgotten about, was very charming.
 
Snekposter said:
Same here, but you know...
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With only 834 player reviews it seems like most people didn't know either. Its dead, Jim.
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First weekend after its release and it couldn't break 5k concurrent players. Meanwhile, its release seems to have actually made Medieval 2 more popular, with it increasing in players this weekend and approaching 6k. It's lost to a game almost 18 years old.
 
Brahma said:
What I don't understand is how no one has stepped up to the plate and tried to fill the gap in the market that CA is leaving. Maybe Real Warfare from the 2010s but even then the campaign was an after thought. Paradox has the campaign on lock but always leaves me wanting a battle map.

I was playing Medieval 1 again recently just for the sake of it and damn me if wouldn't sell today with updated graphics and some QoL changes. Even the boardgame feel to the campaign which I'd forgotten about, was very charming.
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Grand Tactician: Civil War is said to be ugly and janky but brilliantly detailed. The Whiskey and Lemons DLC creates an actual Civil War officer RPG where you play a commander, have to deal with military politics, and try to advance in rank.

Ultimate General: American Revolution will do a similar thing.

I think the best potential is someone in that kind of genre setting out to make something with older-looking graphics as a compromise.
 
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