Science Too much soy makes primates angry and self isolating - Surprise surprise! Soy Goys rise up!

Increased aggressive behavior and decreased affiliative behavior in adult male monkeys after long-term consumption of diets rich in soy protein and isoflavones​

Neal G Simon 1, Jay R Kaplan, Shan Hu, Thomas C Register, Michael R Adams
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• PMID: 15053944
• DOI: 10.1016/j.yhbeh.2003.12.005

Abstract​

Estrogen produced by aromatization of gonadal androgen has an important facilitative role in male-typical aggressive behavior that is mediated through its interaction with estrogen receptors (ER) in the brain. Isoflavones found in soybeans and soy-based dietary supplements bind ER and have dose- and tissue-dependent effects on estrogen-mediated responses. Yet, effects of isoflavone-rich diets on social and aggressive behavior have not been studied. We studied the effects of long-term (15 months) consumption of diets rich in soy isoflavones on spontaneous social behavior among adult male cynomolgus macaques (Macaca fascicularis) (n = 44) living in nine stable social groups. There were three experimental conditions which differed only by the source of dietary protein: casein and lactalbumin (no isoflavones), soy protein isolate containing 0.94 mg isoflavones/g protein, and soy protein isolate containing 1.88 mg isoflavones/g protein. In the monkeys fed the higher amount of isoflavones, frequencies of intense aggressive (67% higher) and submissive (203% higher) behavior were elevated relative to monkeys fed the control diet (P's < 0.05). In addition, the proportion of time spent by these monkeys in physical contact with other monkeys was reduced by 68%, time spent in proximity to other monkeys was reduced 50%, and time spent alone was increased 30% (P's < 0.02). There were no effects of treatment on serum testosterone or estradiol concentrations or the response of plasma testosterone to exogenous gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH). The results indicate that long-term consumption of a diet rich in soy isoflavones can have marked influences on patterns of aggressive and social behavior.

Increased aggressive behavior and decreased affiliative behavior in adult male monkeys after long-term consumption of diets rich in soy protein and isoflavones - PubMed

Estrogen produced by aromatization of gonadal androgen has an important facilitative role in male-typical aggressive behavior that is mediated through its interaction with estrogen receptors (ER) in the brain. Isoflavones found in soybeans and soy-based dietary supplements bind ER and have dose-...

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Increased aggressive behavior and decreased affiliative behavior in adult male monkeys after long-term consumption of diets rich in soy protein and isoflavones - PubMed

Estrogen produced by aromatization of gonadal androgen has an important facilitative role in male-typical aggressive behavior that is mediated through its interaction with estrogen receptors (ER) in the brain. Isoflavones found in soybeans and soy-based dietary supplements bind ER and have dose-...

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Long-Term Soy Consumption Makes Monkeys Aggressive Loners, Study Finds

Findings could have serious implications for humans

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Dysregulation of Hypothalamic Gene Expression and the Oxytocinergic System by Soybean Oil Diets in Male Mice

Abstract. Soybean oil consumption has increased greatly in the past half-century and is linked to obesity and diabetes. To test the hypothesis that soybean oil

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No fucking way you guise! Turns out soy makes you a violent incel! I can't imagine why there's been such a surge in violent incels and trannies, it's probably just all the angy words on the scary Internet!

This is a scientific study from 2004 but it's been seeing a bit of news coverage lately. I've included some other links to start going down the soy rabbit hole. I know this isn't news to a lot of people but after doing some deeper diving this shit is horrifyingly fascinating.

@Otterly love to hear your thoughts and any other science dorks out there.

 

[DankSmoker]

Meat. Specifically meat that's not grain-feed but free-ranged or grass-fed (something to do with essential amino acids, etc). Salmon is very high in Omega 3 and that's good for brain-function too.

So basically: meat.

There is omega 3 in pill form, dont take it myself because it gives me awful burps.

 

[WebLurker]

There is omega 3 in pill form, dont take it myself because it gives me awful burps.

There is. But it's best in its natural form in food (easier to digest and absorb). But at a pinch cod-liver oil tablets are better than fish oil tablets because cod-liver also naturally has vitamins A & D as well as Omega 3. So you're getting additional benefits from the one source.

Also take the pill prior to eating solid food because then the oil spreads out into the food your stomach is breaking down rather than it just mixing up in your stomach acid - and causing you to burp fish oil up all the time.

 

[DankSmoker]

There is. But it's best in its natural form in food (easier to digest and absorb). But at a pinch cod-liver oil tablets are better than fish oil tablets because cod-liver also naturally has vitamins A & D as well as Omega 3. So you're getting additional benefits from the one source.

Also take the pill prior to eating solid food because then the oil spreads out into the food your stomach is breaking down rather than it just mixing up in your stomach acid - and causing you to burp fish oil up all the time.

That makes sense but maybe I'll just pick up some fishsticks to be health conscious.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

millennials have seen two decades of war, a parade of sellout presidents that earned people's trust and then very publicly and pathetically betrayed it for personal gain, a breakout new era of corporate and government spying/mind control, the destruction of traditional social units through the radical advance of communications technology, stagnating wages, inflation, the last gasp of the promise of social mobility (for now), and the very public lowering of the mask and self-debasement of every public agency and echelon of the elite class, but it's the soy that's got them acting antisocial, because something something plant estrogens and a study done on monkeys that's just now being invoked despite being almost 20 years old

sorry kiwifriends, I'm not with you on this one

The world is burning, nothing makes sense, and it's virtually impossible to disconnect from the hivemind. Just eat some more red meat and it all stops.

 

[The Lawgiver]

When no banana...
monkey get VERY fucking angry.
Also jesus fuck I looked up more info on this shit these articles date back to the fucking early 2000s how many times have they been feeding monkeys nothing but soy to see what happens? Is it like how they keep injecting them with AIDS to see what happens where they just keep fucking doing it after they find out what it does for some dumb funding reason?

 

[Chongqing]

I wonder how many teaspoons of soy sauce a person would need to consume to experience this effect?

 

[Chandelier]

I remember when this was a huge thing in Skeptic youtube, back when they were fighting with future BreadTubers. HBbomberguy became famous for making a nearly hour long video on how soy was fine.

Now he's completely bald, and looks in his early 40s than his late twenties.

 

[Burd Turglar]

I wonder how many teaspoons of soy sauce a person would need to consume to experience this effect?

Think more along the lines of how much stuff is cooked/fried in soy oil or just feed the ingredients in processed foods. Or the impossible meat shit. Woof.

 

[Chongqing]

Think more along the lines of how much stuff is cooked/fried in soy oil or just feed the ingredients in processed foods. Or the impossible meat shit. Woof.

Soy sauce is used in almost every meal I eat.

 

[Burd Turglar]

Soy sauce is used in almost every meal I eat.

Try coconut aminos, I prefer Bragg. I use it in a shit ton of my cooking and only use a pretty special soy sauce I have on very specific dishes that I cook like twice a year.

 

[ChefKiss]

millennials have seen two decades of war, a parade of sellout presidents that earned people's trust and then very publicly and pathetically betrayed it for personal gain, a breakout new era of corporate and government spying/mind control, the destruction of traditional social units through the radical advance of communications technology, stagnating wages, inflation, the last gasp of the promise of social mobility (for now), and the very public lowering of the mask and self-debasement of every public agency and echelon of the elite class, but it's the soy that's got them acting antisocial, because something something plant estrogens and a study done on monkeys that's just now being invoked despite being almost 20 years old

sorry kiwifriends, I'm not with you on this one

The soy munchers think every part of that is a good thing

 

[pwnest injun]

Soy sauce is used in almost every meal I eat.

Fermented soy is different from soy milk etc.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I wonder how many teaspoons of soy sauce a person would need to consume to experience this effect?

Now I see a Modern Day Popeye Cartoon where instead of a can of Spinach he just chugs a bottle of Soy Sauce.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

The soy munchers think every part of that is a good thing

Maybe the soy is to further weaken people to stop them from trying to reverse or slow any of the things he listed off.

 

[Chongqing]

Try coconut aminos, I prefer Bragg. I use it in a shit ton of my cooking and only use a pretty special soy sauce I have on very specific dishes that I cook like twice a year.
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Thank you! You may have saved me.

 

[Vesperus]

When the meme becomes science.

Is there a dietary opposite to soy?

Bacon.
Preferably carved from a wild boar using the stone axe you killed it with, but Subway is an acceptable starting point whilst you work out flint-knapping, and fire-hardening wood.

 

[Koby_Fish]

idk but anytime i have had soy milk I break out like I'm fucking 15 again. So I don't have it.

 

[Alligator Alcatraz]

So in other words, this was a 'study' on depriving primates of a nutritional diet and they were surprised subjects exhibited hangry, anti-social behavior. We did it, retards. We figured out why the Japanese have sakoku policy after consuming soy in a large majority of home meals! Nevermind asians are rather docile people.

This is all so tiresome.

 

[NickDigger]

millennials have seen two decades of war, a parade of sellout presidents that earned people's trust and then very publicly and pathetically betrayed it for personal gain, a breakout new era of corporate and government spying/mind control, the destruction of traditional social units through the radical advance of communications technology, stagnating wages, inflation, the last gasp of the promise of social mobility (for now), and the very public lowering of the mask and self-debasement of every public agency and echelon of the elite class, but it's the soy that's got them acting antisocial, because something something plant estrogens and a study done on monkeys that's just now being invoked despite being almost 20 years old

sorry kiwifriends, I'm not with you on this one

Maybe if you didn't drink soy you'd know how to deal (or cope) with all of that instead of making a wall of text you can share with your twitter friends with a faint glimmer of hope it will become a meme.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

So in other words, this was a 'study' on depriving primates of a nutritional diet and they were surprised subjects exhibited hangry, anti-social behavior. We did it, retards. We figured out why the Japanese have sakoku policy after consuming soy in a large majority of home meals! Nevermind asians are rather docile people.

This is all so tiresome.

Maybe Japan is a bad example. They had a bit of a war crime spree back in the day.