Culture To Increase Equity, School Districts Eliminate Honors Classes - Supporters say uniform classes create rigor for all students but critics say cuts hurt faster learners

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CULVER CITY, Calif.—A group of parents stepped to the lectern Tuesday night at a school board meeting in this middle-class, Los Angeles-area city to push back against a racial-equity initiative. The high school, they argued, should reinstate honors English classes that were eliminated because they didn’t enroll enough Black and Latino students.

The district earlier this school year replaced the honors classes at Culver City High School with uniform courses that officials say will ensure students of all races receive an equal, rigorous education.

These parents disagreed.

“We really feel equity means offering opportunities to students of diverse backgrounds, not taking away opportunities for advanced education and study,” Joanna Schaenman, a Culver City parent who helped spearhead the effort, said in the run-up to the meeting.

The parental pushback in Culver City mirrors resistance that has taken place in Wisconsin, Rhode Island and elsewhere in California over the last year in response to schools stripping away the honors designation on some high school classes.

School districts doing away with honors classes argue students who don’t take those classes from a young age start to see themselves in a different tier, and come to think they aren’t capable of enrolling in Advanced Placement classes that help with college admissions. Black and Latino students are underrepresented in AP enrollment in the majority of states, according to the Education Trust, a nonprofit that studies equity in education.

Since the start of this school year, freshmen and sophomores in Culver City have only been able to select one level of English class, known as College Prep, rather than the previous system in which anyone could opt into the honors class. School officials say the goal is to teach everyone with an equal level of rigor, one that encourages them to enroll in advanced classes in their final years of high school.

“Parents say academic excellence should not be experimented with for the sake of social justice,” said Quoc Tran, the superintendent of 6,900-student Culver City Unified School District. But, he said, “it was very jarring when teachers looked at their AP enrollment and realized Black and brown kids were not there. They felt obligated to do something.”

Culver City English teachers presented data at a board meeting last year showing Latino students made up 13% of those in 12th-grade Advanced Placement English, compared with 37% of the student body. Asian students were 34% of the advanced class, compared with 10% of students. Black students represented 14% of AP English, versus 15% of the student body.

The board saw anonymous quotes from students not enrolled in honors classes saying they felt less motivated or successful. One described students feeling “unable to break out of the molds that they established when they were 11.”

Tuesday marked Ms. Schaenman’s first time attending a school board meeting in person in years. She wandered the hallways of City Hall with fellow parent Pedro Frigola looking for the right room, clutching a stack of copies laying out the two-page resolution they and a few dozen other parents are asking the board to adopt.

Mr. Frigola said he disagrees with the district’s view of equity. “I was born in Cuba, and it doesn’t sound good when people are trying to achieve equal outcomes for everyone,” he said.

His ninth-grade daughter, Emma Frigola, said she was surprised and a little confused by the decision to remove honors, which she had wanted to take. She said her English teacher, who used to teach the honors class, is trying to maintain a higher standard, but that it doesn’t always seem to be working.

“There are some people who slow down the pace because they don’t really do anything and aren’t looking to try harder,” Emma said. “I don’t think you can force that into people.”

For a unit on research, Emma said her teacher gathered all the reference sources they needed to write a paper on whether graffiti is art or vandalism and had students review them together in class. Her sister, Elena Frigola, now in 11th grade, said prior honors English students chose their own topics and did research independently.

In Santa Monica, Calif., high school English teachers said last year they had “a moral imperative” to eliminate honors English classes that they viewed as perpetuating inequality. The teachers studied the issue for a year and a half, a district representative said.

“This is not a social experiment,” board member Jon Kean said at a meeting last spring. “This is a sound pedagogical approach to education.”

Gail Pinsker, a Santa Monica-Malibu Unified School District spokeswoman, said the shift this school year “has increased access and provided excellent educational experiences for all of our students.”

Several school districts have scaled back plans to eliminate honors classes after community opposition. San Diego’s Patrick Henry High School planned to eliminate 11th-grade honors American literature and U.S. history last year, but reinstated both after listening to students and families, a district spokeswoman said.

The school district in Madison, Wis., pulled back on plans last year to remove stand-alone honors classes and now lets students earn an honors label within general classes. A Rhode Island district made a similar move.

Those who support cutting honors classes point out that the curriculum of honors courses often doesn’t differ substantially from regular classes. Honors classes often move at a faster pace and the students complete more assignments. Some can boost grade-point averages or give students an advantage when applying for college.

Critics say attempting to teach everyone at an elevated level isn’t realistic and that teachers, even with the best intentions, may end up simplifying instruction. Instead, some educators and parents argue schools should find more ways to diversify honors courses and encourage students to enroll who aren’t self-selecting, including proactively reaching out to students, using an opt-out system, or looking to teacher recommendations.

“I just don’t see how removing something from some kids all of a sudden helps other kids learn faster,” said Scott Peters, a senior research scientist at education research nonprofit NWEA who has studied equity in gifted and talented programs.

In Culver City, Mr. Tran said he isn’t going to mandate that other departments move away from honors but that he would listen to any teacher-driven suggestions. As for English, he said he is throwing his support behind the high school’s teachers to try to elevate education for all students.

“We will keep moving forward,” he said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-increase-equity-school-districts-eliminate-honors-classes-d5985dee (Archive)
 
Schooling isn't perfect and honors aren't always representative of who is the smarest or the most hardworking, but abolishing them seems to be taking 1 step forward 12 steps back.

The solution is to work on fixing schooling instead of removing honors, but I guess abortion is easier than maternity leave.
 
"Culver City English teachers presented data at a board meeting last year showing Latino students made up 13% of those in 12th-grade Advanced Placement English, compared with 37% of the student body. Asian students were 34% of the advanced class, compared with 10% of students. Black students represented 14% of AP English, versus 15% of the student body."

14% and 15% are basically the same number. Especially when you consider that the Asians are taking more than their representative seats.

Under my totalitarian regime, all journos should be required to demonstrate mastery of basic statistics.
 
I suspect one major reason they're eliminating these classes is less MUH BLACK PIPO and more that they just don't have enough teachers to go around.
 
I suspect one major reason they're eliminating these classes is less MUH BLACK PIPO and more that they just don't have enough teachers to go around.
It's cali. If they have enough money for reparations, they have enough to pay teachers well enough to get more.
 
We got 1984, Brave New World, We, most of PKD, all the dystopic classics becoming reality in clown world, just tossing in Harrison Bergeron for good measure.
 
School districts doing away with honors classes argue students who don’t take those classes from a young age start to see themselves in a different tier, and come to think they aren’t capable of enrolling in Advanced Placement classes that help with college admissions.
For some subjects (specifically, math), they just are.

Going to community college early also helps with college admissions-- the credits are more likely to be transferrable, and it's an actual college experience unlike an AP course which is an intro level course spread out over 3-4 times the amount of time it would take in actual college where the only thing that actually matters is whether you performed sufficiently on just one exam all the way out in May. I never liked waiting for AP test results, just to get a set of numbers.

Also, nobody else should have to deal with your child's low self-esteem.

Not having intra-grade class tiers could be whatever-- France doesn't do it, as an example-- but the people agitating for it stateside don't understand that if you have more than one tier for a subject to start, the people at the bottom tier are almost unilaterally there because they don't care about school. There's a real and obvious temperamental difference. Those kids are going to be disruptive for everyone when the tiers are done away with, and you're potentially causing higher-achieving students to suffer from not only that, but also boredom with the simpler material.

I'm just surprised they didn't corral as many people into higher-tier/AP courses as they could get away with. Before I transferred high schools, that's what my first one was doing-- people that had no interest in taking AP courses were being recommended for AP World History in their sophomore year.

The board saw anonymous quotes from students not enrolled in honors classes saying they felt less motivated or successful. One described students feeling “unable to break out of the molds that they established when they were 11.”
It's admittedly more difficult to switch levels during high school-- I imagine it's generally the case that you'd only be able to do it between grades, whereas in middle school, the transfer could happen in the course of a school year.

But the path to advancement is the same-- do so well in your current class to demonstrate that you'll easily outgrow "grade-level" work.
 
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Why don't they make AP standard and give the average person a college-ish level of education by the time they graduate high school? Due to factors, I never got any AP classes and when I got to college I realized how much of an education I didn't receive, I had to learn basic trigonometry, chemistry, physics and I had to relearn how ((they)) like their essays to be written and sourced. Public education isn't really supposed to educate a person, just keep them off the streets and believing in what they're told. I think there should be more lower levels with a higher general standard.
 
School districts doing away with honors classes argue students who don’t take those classes from a young age start to see themselves in a different tier, and come to think they aren’t capable of enrolling in Advanced Placement classes that help with college admissions.
That's because (on paper) they are a different tier; the actual content of the class and the teacher are always up for debate, but ideally, that AP means you're higher tier.

Black and Latino students are underrepresented in AP enrollment in the majority of states, according to the Education Trust, a nonprofit that studies equity in education.
Do I need to bring up the paper showing that a majority of the school age illiterates are black and taco? If you can't command the language, what makes you think you can command a higher level of the language, let alone abstractions in math and science? And the tacos have no excuse, since every single school system in the state now requires any new licensed teacher to have taco language experience; while the state shells out money for translators/interpreters in classrooms.

But, he said, “it was very jarring when teachers looked at their AP enrollment and realized Black and brown kids were not there. They felt obligated to do something.”
Spend what little free-time you have offering tutoring, after-school lessons, mentoring programs, etc. Is what I would say, but we all know those kids don't want to fucking see you or excel, so you decide to drag everyone else down, because the retards want to be retards.

The board saw anonymous quotes from students not enrolled in honors classes saying they felt less motivated or successful. One described students feeling “unable to break out of the molds that they established when they were 11.”
And the schools know this. The Department of Education and all the different school systems know the what and where a child should be by a certain age/grade. But they also have a "you must graduate x-amount of y-type of students." So if they're within range, and they want to be, because that's how they get federal money, they have no problem sacrificing children on the altar of tax dollars. But that's for the kids who might actually be motivated, which I doubt, because they're whining about diversity students.

“There are some people who slow down the pace because they don’t really do anything and aren’t looking to try harder,” Emma said. “I don’t think you can force that into people.”
Thank you Emma, but unfortunately you're only a 9th grader so your opinion doesn't fucking matter. The adults are talking and they want you to know that it's evil, bigoted, and white (despite your dad being from Cuba) to separate the fasts from the slows. One Gold Star, which means absolutely nothing, for you being so observant.

Critics say attempting to teach everyone at an elevated level isn’t realistic and that teachers, even with the best intentions, may end up simplifying instruction. Instead, some educators and parents argue schools should find more ways to diversify honors courses and encourage students to enroll who aren’t self-selecting, including proactively reaching out to students, using an opt-out system, or looking to teacher recommendations.
AP classes are naturally self-selecting; they're not just for the smarties, but the motivators. You can be a fucking whiz in an subject, but may not want the extra work load. AP is for the kids who for the most part thing the next several years of their life is planned out. They're gonna get their 5.0 GPA, get into whatever fancy university, study in x, and so on and so forth. That's what AP exists for, to give the motivators a leg up. Taking them away doesn't fucking help anyone; especially with how low admission standards have gotten after Stanford admitted a kid who just wrote "Black Lives Matter" one-hundred times on their paperwork. It's not hard to get in, especially as a diversity-American.
 
Homeschool your kids, folks! Check out the Trivium education method and your kids will be so far ahead of the pack that they'll be hard pressed to not succeed in life.
 
Did you know this kind of bullshit, like gender bullshit, is illegal in Florida schools?

Florida state law requires schools to provide options for gifted kids including accelerated curriculum, partial day acceleration, and whole grade acceleration. The schools literally are not legally allowed to say no to these options if you can prove your kid is smart enough to need them in order to be academically challenged. Meanwhile in California they're implementing Harrison Bergeron.
 
Why don't they make AP standard and give the average person a college-ish level of education by the time they graduate high school? Due to factors, I never got any AP classes and when I got to college I realized how much of an education I didn't receive, I had to learn basic trigonometry, chemistry, physics and I had to relearn how ((they)) like their essays to be written and sourced. Public education isn't really supposed to educate a person, just keep them off the streets and believing in what they're told. I think there should be more lower levels with a higher general standard.
Used to be that way, that graduating from high school actually meant something many moons ago like when my GG grandparents graduated. 12th grade education meant 12th grade education. Since then it has been dumbed down so much that you can have a HS diploma and yet only have a 6th grade understanding of English or Math.
 
You get the school board you vote for.

They asked for this so they can eat shit or vote for "evil republicans" next election. It's LA, so they won't, so I hope they enjoy the taste.
 
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