🐱 This Baffling Visualization Shows How Much Money Jeff Bezos Really Has

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Please go to this website and scroll to the right and tell me we don't need a wealth tax. Please explain why. We're not talking about some 80 percent tax on $2 million, the kind of squid ink people shoot into these discussions to capitalize on the devout American belief that everyone is, at very least, a pre-millionaire. One of the core problems we face is that the amount of money we're often talking about is not comprehensible to the human mind. We cannot imagine, really, what it means to have a billion of something, much less 100 billion. People who have a billion dollars—a strictly theoretical concept we've all agreed is real—have long benefited from this insufficient imagination, the mind's default conflation of a million and a billion. This tool offers something precious: a real grasp of scale.

It's easy to get roped into some discussion about whether Jeff Bezos deserves to have $139 billion while many of his workers are just a speck on this endless rightward scroll. He doesn't, of course, no matter how brilliant a monopolistic mind he may be. He does not contribute enough—he has not created enough value for human beings—to currently possess, at this moment, 20,000 times more money than the average American doctor will earn in a lifetime. It's absurd. Ridiculous. The guy just spent $165 million on a house. Did he even really notice it's gone? The claim he's "earned" the right to control resources on this scale requires a kind of devout belief in Free Markets, that they perfectly distribute resources, which is not true even in a country with actual free markets. The United States is not that, which is part of how Jeff Bezos got so rich.


But don't get tangled up in what people do and don't deserve. It's a dead end, and nobody actually cares. This is a results business. It doesn't matter that you should have won the game if you didn't. The richest 130,000 households now hold nearly as much wealthas the bottom 117 million families combined.This is a relatively recent development, an outgrowth of our decision to remake our country in the image of Ronald Reagan. But the fact is that we cannot go on this way, as a nation where half our citizens live paycheck to paycheck, tens of thousands of veterans from our sprawling imperial wars sleep on the street each night, and one of our oligarchs can spend a fraction of his own $60 billion fortune on a presidential campaign built on vanity and, of course, his strident opposition to candidates who might unduly raise his taxes.

What were the candidates proposing, really?

— Elizabeth Warren suggested a two percent tax on all wealth above $50 million, and a three percent tax on all wealth above $1 billion. The senator's campaign estimated this would impact 75,000 households and raise over $200 billion a year.

— Bernie Sanders proposed more brackets: a 1 percent tax on $32 million or more, 2 percent on holdings between $50 and $250 million, 3 percent between $250 and $500 million, 4 percent between $500 million to $1 billion, 5 percent from $1 to $2.5 billion, 6 percent between $2.5 to $5 billion, 7 percent from $5 to $10 billion, and 8 percent on wealth over $10 billion.

Is this really so extreme? To tax an amount these folks won't notice, in order to fund programs that people in need will very much notice? Should we fund universal childcare, or should we let the money sit in some guy's Scrooge McDuck pile that at some point comes to serve more as a trophy, a symbol of power? But again, don't get into things like "empathy" or "justice." Nobody seems to care. Focus on the fact that our society has become dangerously unstable, as evidenced by the state of our politics and the generalized rage that roils beneath our affairs. We would be foolish to ignore that at least part of this is tied to the fact that millions and millions of our citizens have lost all hope, and any faith in the way things are done—and for good reason. Social mobility is in decline, parents rightly fear their children will be worse off than they are, and all the great promise of the American experiment is being squandered through greed and avarice.

The same people who oppose taxing extreme wealth also oppose deficit spending, because there is apparently no acceptable way for us to invest in our own citizens. (It's certainly not about The National Debt, if the recent Tax Cuts For Rich People and Corporations Bill is any indication. On the other side, trillions of dollars have appeared to respond to the current pandemic, and rightly so.) They also often oppose paying people a living wage. They oppose most efforts to alleviate the crushing debt burdens that have driven the poorest down while the richest surge upwards. They oppose efforts to make education or healthcare more affordable. They oppose attempts to strengthen the social safety net while we push more and more people off the cliff.

Oh, we should leave it to charity? Isn't that what we're doing now—letting a few people eat up all the resources and dole out bits and pieces at their own saintly discretion? How's that working out? Tax them. Do it now. This has gone on long enough.
 
See, this is why I can't support a wealth tax. The "you'd never notice it" is a poor rationale for taxing (or stealing, for that matter), because these things DO matter and some people WILL notice it. The same people who wrote that probably swiped a candy bar or two from the store, thinking that "they'd never notice it" when in fact it IS noticed with inventory checking and writing off store shrink.

Secondly, anything that proponents of wealth tax want to do with their extra money will never benefit me, being a white male who was legally born in the country, and once the rich start to shuffle their money around into foundations and off-shore accounts, these people will go after me next to sustain the increasingly shitty welfare state they've created, and I can't have that.

They assume that people with a lot of money don't notice or care about taxation changes and don't have a myriad of highly skilled accountants that also keeps a close eye on it and plans around it. Over here the government laid out a new bank tax and the biggest bank spanning all of Scandinavia said no, if you do this we're moving our corporate headquarters to Helsinki and pay their taxes instead. That's globalism at a miniature scale, no borders for people, companies and capital. Except working class and middle class families can't move, they're too deeply entrenched and can't afford it. Rich people, economic migrants, companies and capital won't have that problem.

The lady running the government agency responsible for this new tax got all snooty and said "so what, we won't lose any money, the new tax will make up for it". Unfortunately for her Nordea, the bank, was full of economists that ran the numbers and proved her wrong. A lot of jobs would be lost as well, either due to people losing their jobs or relocating to Finland.

It reminds me of when some people were furious about Trump lowering the repatriation tax rate for foreign currency to 15%. Apple moved 250 billion dollars into the US and paid almost 40 billion in taxes on that. Not good enough, morons would rather prefer 30% of $0 because Apple would continue to not transfer shit at that tax rate.

Sometimes ideology needs to give way for pragmatism.
 
It's a pipe dream, but I sympathise with the urge to properly tax companies like Amazon and Apple and multi-billionaires like Bezos and Bloomberg. It's made even worse by how those last two are continuing the tradition of some of the richest men in the world - using their money to directly influence journalism and therefore our methods of finding out what's happening and also understanding it.

Not to mention how everyone with that much fuck you money, from individuals to corporations, can massively affect our laws and regulations in ways we cannot fathom, inevitably in ways that benefit them but hurt us.

But there doesn't seem to be any way to put a check on their power that doesn't either backfire, or give them easy room to just pay for the laws to change into something more suitable for them and then alone. It's simply too easy for them to circumvent the law.

So I get lamenting the current state of things. But they're going to need actual, applicable solutions that would get the desired result rather than whining about how unfair it is. If your solutions are stupid, it can make your complaints look stupid as well.
 
That's what has confused me about a wealth tax. A person's wealth is the combination of money they have on hand as well as the proposed value of all of their assets. From what I understand, a wealth tax would tax people based on money that does not exist. Some countries do have a wealth tax to some degree, so it can work, but we have no idea how it would be implemented in the US.
It gets even better when you realize that when they sell their assets, stock mainly, it devalues it making the "wealth" they are being taxed on lose value as well. They are getting it both ways. Then we have the problem of who buys it? If this were an across the board thing then other wealthy people will be selling their assets as well.

This would fuck with market liquidity massively.
 
>Thinking the resulting tax wouldn't be written to let people like Bezos pay as little as possible. 😐

Well that's how it always works out doesn't it. But I meant more of the If he wants to support the people screeching eat the rich then I'm not going to help him get out of the pot.

That's what has confused me about a wealth tax. A person's wealth is the combination of money they have on hand as well as the proposed value of all of their assets. From what I understand, a wealth tax would tax people based on money that does not exist. Some countries do have a wealth tax to some degree, so it can work, but we have no idea how it would be implemented in the US.

It's meant to be vague so you can rally around it and when it get's implemented all it will do is hurt the middle class and small business owners. There's a reason Bernie never went into how his plan would work, let alone explain it on his website.
 
I wonder what country citizenship would be most popular for fatcats who've renounced their US citizenship over a wealth tax? Burkina Faso?
 
I wonder what country citizenship would be most popular for fatcats who've renounced their US citizenship over a wealth tax? Burkina Faso?
You only have to reside in the Bahamas for 99 days a year to qualify as a resident for tax purposes... If I was a billionaire, that'd be pretty tempting.
 
Well the real issue is that these "eat the rich" types don't really understand the difference between net worth and taxable income.

They see Jeff Bezos "made" 1.6 billions dollars last year and start screeching like a bunch of chimps on ADAH meds.

Really Bezos made a salary of $81,840 and a capital gains of 20'ish million from his share of the Amazon stock dividend payout. The rest is the rise of the Amazon stock he owns.

And he did pay taxes on his income just like any other person is legally required too.

Really what these end goal of these socialist/commie types is justifying their desire to take away gains earned by others to that they can increase their own funds. They coach it all in nice safe words but it comes down to; gimme what you have because I don't have it and I want it schitck,



Nothing has changed since the days of Marx...may that commie bastard burn in hell forever for the autism he unleashed on the world.
 
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