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There are now less than five months to go before the first votes are cast in the Democratic presidential nominating contest. So the spotlight is going to be even hotter on the 10 candidates who made the cut for Thursday's debate in Houston.

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren is ascendant with more Democrats saying they like her than any other candidate, but former Vice President Joe Biden continues to lead in the polls. So what might set them apart, what could be the flashpoints Thursday night, and can any of the other candidates break through?

Here are some key logistical questions, followed by political ones:

When is the debate? Thursday from 8-11 p.m. ET

What channel is it on? ABC and Univision (with Spanish translation)

Who are the moderators? ABC's George Stephanopoulos, David Muir, Linsey Davis and Univision's Jorge Ramos

Who's on the stage? Biden, Sens. Cory Booker of New Jersey, Kamala Harris of California, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Warren, as well as South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Obama Housing Secretary Julián Castro, former Rep. Beto O'Rourke of Texas and tech investor Andrew Yang.

What were the qualifications to get into this debate? 2% in at least four Democratic polls, either nationally or in early states, as well as 130,000 donors from at least 20 states and at least 400 in each state.

Here are five political questions:
1. What will the Biden-Warren dynamic be like?
There's lots being made of the fact that this is the first time during this presidential campaign that Biden and Warren will share the debate stage. The question is whether they engage — and on what?

They signaled that they might mix it up. Warren has gotten attention for her myriad plans, but a Biden adviser told CNN that the former vice president will likely argue in the debate that "we need more than plans." One area ripe for debate is on bankruptcy law, an issue where they have a history.

2. Can Biden take the heat — again?
In the first two debates, varying candidates have picked fights with Biden — Harris on busing, Booker on criminal justice, and so on. And he'll likely be the focus of criticism from other candidates because of his continued lead in the polls.

But despite some missteps on the campaign trail and a lackluster first debate, his brand has shown resiliency. He not only leads the race nationally and in many state polls, but he's also extremely well liked among the Democratic base, something you'd likely never know if you only read Twitter, a point his campaign makes repeatedly.

That makes him a target for the other candidates, who have to be wondering what it will take to dislodge him. Still, Democratic strategists see Biden as a fragile front-runner, and he has to have solid outings in these coming debates that will likely get more attention than the first couple of rounds.

3. Will the candidates double down on positions unpopular with general-election voters?
A lot of the moderate Democratic candidates are not on the stage for this debate— Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet and former Maryland Rep. John Delaney did not qualify, and former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper dropped out to run for the Senate.

That means the progressives are likely to again target Biden and focus on issues unpopular outside of Democrats, like "Medicare for All" as a replacement to private insurance, health care for immigrants in the country illegally and decriminalizing border crossings.

4. Do Sanders and Warren maintain their nonaggression pact?
Warren is getting lots of attention and was not only the most popular candidate among Democrats in the latest NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll, she's now caught up with — and even passed in some instances — fellow progressive Sanders in an average of the polls.

That has to grate on Sanders, even if people close to him continue to say that he sees Warren as an ally for the kind of change he wants to see in the country. They have maintained that Sanders will not go after Warren unless they are the last two standing, but they also privately point out differences, such as on foreign policy and party politics. It's probably not the time yet for Sanders to need to go after Warren, but could some prickliness begin to emerge?

5. What kind of chances do candidates needing a breakout take?
If a candidate hasn't had a moment yet, they now have a chance to do something to gain attention and create a spark for their campaign before a large audience.

Yang, for one, is promising to do something no one's done. What exactly? No one knows, but Yang is hoping you tune in.

At the same time, it's not clear how many people will tune in. The latest NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll found that more people said they weren't going to watch (42%) than said they would (38%).

Tulsi, one of the few sane-ish candidates in the Democratic race, isn't going to be in this debate, so I'm not sure if I'm interested in watching this tonight
 
God Yang was fucking embarrassing as fuck. His lead off with that fucking lottery seems more like he's trying to buy support, and his Asian stereotype jokes were so fucking cringe, I'm surprised Yang Gangers can still find it in their hearts to support this charisma-less congee. Can't wait for people to bot entries into his dumbass raffle.
 
God Yang was fucking embarrassing as fuck. His lead off with that fucking lottery seems more like he's trying to buy support, and his Asian stereotype jokes were so fucking cringe, I'm surprised Yang Gangers can still find it in their hearts to support this charisma-less congee. Can't wait for people to bot entries into his dumbass raffle.

4chan will get us more slices of Marble Cake to be sure.
 
Democrat gonna have to go with Biden. Warren would get dunked esp. After the cultural appropriation shit and Harris is not good enough. Beto committed political suicide and the rest are shit.

And alas, our Yang dreams of free money for watching deep dicking on pornhub wont come to be.

Trump victory is assured. Should of went with Tusli, nerds.
 
Democrat gonna have to go with Biden. Warren would get dunked esp. After the cultural appropriation shit and Harris is not good enough. Beto committed political suicide and the rest are shit.

And alas, our Yang dreams of free money for watching deep dicking on pornhub wont come to be.

Trump victory is assured. Should of went with Tusli, nerds.
The shock's worn off. Fauxcahontas wont have the effect it did a year ago.
 
Democrat gonna have to go with Biden. Warren would get dunked esp. After the cultural appropriation shit and Harris is not good enough. Beto committed political suicide and the rest are shit.

And alas, our Yang dreams of free money for watching deep dicking on pornhub wont come to be.

Trump victory is assured. Should of went with Tusli, nerds.

There is no way Biden could get the nomination in his condition. Look at him now ... And think about what he'll be like in a year.

Biden is currently useful in helping the DNC raise some money; that's the only reason why this farce of a campaign is continuing (and also because Jill Biden is a fucking wretch of a wife to allow this to continue). Once it gets closer, I think we'll see Warren get the nomination. Hillary Clinton is reportedly behind the scenes with her campaign ... That, to me, is a sign that the fix is in for Warren.

I am still not ruling out Hillary to swoop in late in the game, though. Call me crazy, but I think it is certainly within the realm of possibility ... Especially since she's crawling back into headlines and is getting the DNC to send e-mails to subscribers, asking if they would want Hillary to run again.
 
There is no way Biden could get the nomination in his condition. Look at him now ... And think about what he'll be like in a year.

Biden is currently useful in helping the DNC raise some money; that's the only reason why this farce of a campaign is continuing (and also because Jill Biden is a fucking wretch of a wife to allow this to continue). Once it gets closer, I think we'll see Warren get the nomination. Hillary Clinton is reportedly behind the scenes with her campaign ... That, to me, is a sign that the fix is in for Warren.

I am still not ruling out Hillary to swoop in late in the game, though. Call me crazy, but I think it is certainly within the realm of possibility ... Especially since she's crawling back into headlines and is getting the DNC to send e-mails to subscribers, asking if they would want Hillary to run again.
I also think the reality is something like this, but I don't think Hillary Clinton has as much power and influence as she used to. Most of her ability to control the DNC's behind-the-scenes machinations came from the formerly limitless Clinton Foundation money, which has been severely diminished ever since big companies and foreign investors cut off the flow of donations since there was no President Hillary for them to buy political favors from.
 
There is no way Biden could get the nomination in his condition. Look at him now ... And think about what he'll be like in a year.

Biden is currently useful in helping the DNC raise some money; that's the only reason why this farce of a campaign is continuing (and also because Jill Biden is a fucking wretch of a wife to allow this to continue). Once it gets closer, I think we'll see Warren get the nomination. Hillary Clinton is reportedly behind the scenes with her campaign ... That, to me, is a sign that the fix is in for Warren.

I am still not ruling out Hillary to swoop in late in the game, though. Call me crazy, but I think it is certainly within the realm of possibility ... Especially since she's crawling back into headlines and is getting the DNC to send e-mails to subscribers, asking if they would want Hillary to run again.
Warren-Clinton 2020
After the election Warren will accidentally commit suicide and then it will Her Turn.

Also don't think the cultural appropriation thing with Warren has much sting left in it. Everyone already knows about it and not many people are indians (feather, not dot) or give a shit about them. She also seems to have lived a boring life not far from academia so I don't think there is any Clinton or Trump level dirt in her past to dig up.

Most people like the IDEA of Biden but that quickly changes the second they see the condition he is in. The best thing he can do is just just stay in hiding until primary day. Anything he does or says in public will only make his numbers go down.
 
I am still not ruling out Hillary to swoop in late in the game, though. Call me crazy, but I think it is certainly within the realm of possibility ... Especially since she's crawling back into headlines and is getting the DNC to send e-mails to subscribers, asking if they would want Hillary to run again.

Twitter is certainly thinks she is gonna run again. they won't stop sending me what she tweets.
 
I am still not ruling out Hillary to swoop in late in the game, though. Call me crazy, but I think it is certainly within the realm of possibility ... Especially since she's crawling back into headlines and is getting the DNC to send e-mails to subscribers, asking if they would want Hillary to run again.
TBH I'd love to see her go up against Trump again if she took off the professional politician gloves and let her rage out.

I don't think she'd win, but it would be more entertaining than what this current crop will do.
 
God Yang was fucking embarrassing as fuck. His lead off with that fucking lottery seems more like he's trying to buy support, and his Asian stereotype jokes were so fucking cringe, I'm surprised Yang Gangers can still find it in their hearts to support this charisma-less congee. Can't wait for people to bot entries into his dumbass raffle.
Didn't watch, but it sounds like he came out ahead.
 
TBH I'd love to see her go up against Trump again if she took off the professional politician gloves and let her rage out.

I don't think she'd win, but it would be more entertaining than what this current crop will do.

I would absolutely love to watch a slurring Clinton drunkenly debating Trump while saying what she actually thinks for once. I imagine she has SAW-level fantasies about him and everyone else she feels cost her "her time".
 
I think the Dems know they're beat in this election.
Well I mean, the DNC machinery could have backed a more moderate, less well known candidate, but that's just not where they seem to be headed right now.
NGL, it seems like both parties are content to field candidates that will appeal to their hugboxes and not the moderate/independent voters. As a result, whichever party's diehard voters has the biggest turnout will likely result int hat candidate narrowly winning. With such polar opposites, it's no surprise that those still in the middle look at both major candidates and feel staying home is the best voting option. However, the more the Dems double down on reparations, free health care for illegals, and ID politics, the more they just might steer more voters to reelect Trump simply as a "We don't want a Democrat in office."

Though I do admit, Tramp didn't really make a good healthcare substitute for the shitty Affordable Care Act.
Why are these candidates choosing “free” healthcare as their hill to die on? Did they forget how unpopular Obamacare was? It wasn’t free healthcare by any means, but the ACA just raised health insurance costs for the middle class.
Unfortunately, the Republicans when they held both parts of Congress spent so much time infighting about what should or shouldn't be in an ACA replacement that little got accomplished apart from rescinding the individual mandate.

Something definitely needs to be done; individual (non-group/employer-sponsored) insurance premiums have exploded post-ACA despite President Obama's emphasis on the affordable part of the Affordable Care Act. Worse, people with a group plan through an employer don't have to pay more than 9.5% of their adjusted gross income towards insurance (as part of the affordable directive) while low wage workers that don't qualify for their state's Medicaid program have no such upper limit on their individual marketplace policies. Even with subsidies, monthly premiums for an individual policy can easily take up 20% or more of a low wage earner's take-home pay. The Democrats should focus on providing relief for citizens with expensive ACA policies before promising free healthcare to illegals.

Medicare for all certainly sounds intriguing, but few of the Democratic candidates have anything to say about what the potential premiums would be, the astronomical costs, or where the money will come from -- especially if illegals will automatically get included as well.

They're all fighting like fucking high schoolers.
At this point, fighting high-schoolers have more maturity than those still in the Democratic debates.

Traditionally prison was a place people went while awaiting their actual sentence, not the punishment itself. It also tends to just reinforce a criminal career path.
The biggest issue is there's nothing to help those who realize they made a mistake and have a legitimate desire to reform do just that. Programs to help non-violent offenders learn a trade or better themselves in some way are largely non-existent or severely underfunded for those that do have access to them. We need a system that keeps the incorrigible away from society while having a separate track that rehabilitates those who want to accept responsibility for their mistakes, pay their debt to society, and become productive citizens again.

"If a black child has a black teacher" Stop right there. Citation.
Something similar has worked it's way into inner-cities as I've heard on the radio that some such districts are trying to get more Spanish-speaking teachers into the classroom to serve areas with a large Mexcian/Spanish population because they somehow can't learn if someone that doesn't look or sound like them is teaching them. So much for the idea one should be able to learn anything from anyone.

So they'd rather talk about the racial inequality when it comes to education, but they don't want to talk about the sexist inequality that's hurting boys.
From what I've heard, the constant shitting on boys -- especially white boys -- is reaching a near-critical state where some sort of pushback or backlash is growing inevitable. People will only allow themselves to be walked on so much before they stand up for themselves.

Moderator: "Yet for non-white districts, segregation remains because non-white districts get less money."

Maybe it's because these neighborhoods overall have less money and make less money?
With most -- if not all -- school districts being funded by property taxes, it'd make sense that inner cities whose house prices are so low (because nobody wants to live there if they can help it) will have a smaller tax base and tax revenue for schools. Add in charter schools who now want to siphon off some of that school millage for themselves, and it's no surprise inner-city schools are struggling. It doesn't help that the growth of tuition-free charters has also led to private/parochial schools -- who generally had the best academic performance of the bunch -- shutting down as they can't compete with so many tuition-free schools when they have to charge tuition that can be difficult to pay for inner-city families.

Once again, this debate has led to nothing meaningful except for more Democratic infighting and the requisite spouting of partisan and SJW talking points and buzzwords. Barring something egregious, Trump could easily get a second term.
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Rooting for Warren over here, she's slowly closing the gap despite the recent jabs from old man winter over there.
Don't think he'll do well in the long run, he's like another hillary in a suit mixed with some story embellishment skills from drump.
All that really comes out of his mouth is obama this, obama that, build on obamacare, tweets about obama, etc, etc. yikes.
 
A-Are the Democrats seriously trying to bring Segregation back?!

What the Fuck? And I thought Troon abortion was the stupidest thing they'd advocate.

I hope Trump ass rapes them next year for this shit.
It's been happening on college campuses for years. Black or minority only dorms and safe spaces so they don't have to deal with evil whitey. They unironically support these racist policies because they think they'll get the long end of the stick this time. Instead of drinking shitty fountain water like rayciss wypipo, they'll get refreshing selzter with a slice of lemon straight from the tap.
 
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