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Would you like to share with the rest of us? Sometimes, talking something out-loud/ writing to an audience can help. I can sperg about the shit that I was working on the past several months, even, if it might help.



God, I wish it was that simple for me; seriously, my brain is fucked.
Sure. Role wise, she’s the MC’s assistant and adoptive daughter (I’m writing a fantasy noir).
Appearance wise, she’s mostly gold colored with a light pink underbelly, has a stinger on her tail, fuzzy antennae, some fluff on her back. Will not grow to be nearly as big or strong as most other dragons, that’s just how her subspecies is. I’m not sure what pattern or colors to have on her wings either, but jewel tones might be nice.
Below I’ve got some art of other fairy dragons I was thinking of taking some inspiration from for that.
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I’m also torn on having a single set of wings like the second one up there or the blue one, or a double set, like so.
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Sure. Role wise, she’s the MC’s assistant and adoptive daughter (I’m writing a fantasy noir).

Oooh, been a hot minute since I've seen a good fantasy noir setting; you had my curiosity, now you've got my attention.

Appearance wise, she’s mostly gold colored with a light pink underbelly, has a stinger on her tail, fuzzy antennae, some fluff on her back. Will not grow to be nearly as big or strong as most other dragons, that’s just how her subspecies is. I’m not sure what pattern or colors to have on her wings either, but jewel tones might be nice.

Jewel tones would probably be a good fit, I agree; perhaps something with a connection to nature? Something like leaf tones (emerald, amber, ruby, etc.), or perhaps some traces of water (sapphire)?

Below I’ve got some art of other fairy dragons I was thinking of taking some inspiration from for that.
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I’m also torn on having a single set of wings like the second one up there or the blue one, or a double set, like so.
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I kinda like the double set, to be honest; gives them a more unique flavor, helps push the more insect-like quality.
 
There was some interest, so here you go. This is the first page of my final draft of my book. I'll spoiler it.


I used to think I was good.
Not just competent—good the kind of good that rewrote the rules. I bled onto every page like it meant something. My books weren’t the pastel-covered slop they stack beside the Hudson News register for divorcées on layovers. They were manifestos disguised as entertainment, and for a little while the world agreed with me.

The first Raul Arroyo trilogy started as a lark: a working-class revolutionary on a rust-red mining planet who accidentally starts a war that eats three star systems. I wrote it angry, hungover, twenty-eight years old, convinced I was the first person to ever notice capitalism was ugly. The book sold a million copies in hardback. People got Raul’s face tattooed on their forearms. Someone sent me a photo of a newborn named Raul Arroyo Novak. Hollywood called. I bought a penthouse in Soho with cash and told interviewers I’d never sell out.

Then came book two, bigger, louder, dumber in all the ways the market loves. Raul Halloween costumes appeared next to Sexy Nurse and Inflatable Dinosaur. I did the late-night circuit in a thrift-store leather jacket, pretending I still took the train. The money got cartoonish. I stopped counting.

Book three was supposed to be the masterpiece. Instead it was the suicide note.

I don’t remember writing most of it. I remember deadlines, and the way the city lights at 4 a.m. looked like circuitry, and the sweet chalky kiss of oxycodone melting under my tongue. I turned it in six months late, 220,000 words of pretentious fever dream. Critics used phrases like “self-parody” and “hostage video.” My editor sent flowers with the card, “We’ll fix it in paperback.” There was no paperback.

The morning the reviews dropped, I sat on the floor of my living room swallowing whatever pills were closest and watching my name trend next to the word “fraud. My mother’s photograph watched from the mantel—sepia, unsmiling, the same expression she wore the day she told me art was a hobby for people with trust funds. I stared at her until the frame seemed to ripple. Until her mouth moved.

“You were always mediocre, Jonathan,” she said, crisp as gin. “You just had good marketing.”

I punched the glass. The frame exploded; shards rained like brittle confetti. My knuckles opened in neat red smiles. I kept going—mirrors, television, the signed first editions I’d once framed like holy relics. I was systematic, almost tender, the way a surgeon is tender. When the rage ran out of objects it turned inward and found nothing worth keeping.

Eventually I stepped onto the balcony, dawn bleeding pink across the rooftops. Thirty-seven floors down, taxis crawled like yellow ants. The city hummed its indifferent hymn. I lit a cigarette with bloody fingers and felt, for one crystalline minute, believed I had transcended. I was pure perspective, a golden eye floating above the meat grinder. I would stay here, enlightened and untouchable, pissing wisdom down on the ants until they evolved or died.
 
There was some interest, so here you go. This is the first page of my final draft of my book. I'll spoiler it.
It's ok in isolation but I don't know if that kind of melodramatic Humphrey Bogart narrative style would hold up for 50-80 thousand+ words or whatever length you're going for with this thing. It almost reads like you're trying to write a noir screenplay rather than a novel.
 
It's ok in isolation but I don't know if that kind of melodramatic Humphrey Bogart narrative style would hold up for 50-80 thousand+ words or whatever length you're going for with this thing. It almost reads like you're trying to write a noir screenplay rather than a novel.
You actually managed to put this into words. I was low key obsessed with the narrative style of Alan Wake and old 4chan greentext stories when I started this.
 
Been a few weeks; how's everyone doing on their ends? Any progress, anything you'd like to share?
I got back from Mexico and my novel is loosely fictionalized accounts of my travels so I got a lot of material I’m sorting through and hoping to finish my book this holiday season.

December is the last of the months off I took to see this venture through so I’m locking in.
 
I decided to stop being a pussy and finish my 5 year old, 95% done manuscript and publish it by march. Then I'm going to move onto the next 3 I have sitting around that just need a spit polish.
 
Anyone else watch those "editor reveals the MOST COMMON WRITING MISTAKE" type videos then immediately get paranoid about their own writing? Like, "oh no I did 'he verbed adverbly' once, I'm a garbage writer," meanwhile people who don't give a fuck are out here shitting out fantasy romance novels weekly and making 50 gajillion dollars a year
 
Been trucking along on my setting since my last post; IRL keeps throwing some rather serve curveballs my way, but it's still coming along nicely. I've also been dicking around with some character and plot concepts in my spare time, which is honestly a lot of fun. Once I get this current little "fun" plot down (urban fantasy post-apocalyptic journey across the USA, eventually going into space) there is a very real chance I'm going to start jotting down a proper fantasy setting (featuring some kind of werecreature, probably, because I keep getting ideas for that) next.
 
As a certified AI-glazer, I gotta say it's baaaad at critiquing. I'm sure it varies on the specific model but I have yet to find an LLM capable of not being a total ass-kisser. Even if you get it to stop being sycophantic its insights are usually shallow. Like everything else AI-related it requires at least the same amount of effort to decide if its feedback makes sense as it would take to just do it manually.
I’ve been using it (ChatGPT specifically) recently to brainstorm ideas, get feedback and beta-read my stuff.

My opinion is you need to keep it on a pretty short leash and ask it to help you come up with ideas, not write finished paragraphs for you. When you give it more latitude the stuff it comes up with is boring and predictable, if you’re asking it obscure questions it can do some bg research for you: (e.g. ChatGPT name an Arthurian knight that would be a good foil for Tristan in terms of their personal ethics. ChatGPT help me describe frog closures without using the word “frog”. Not ChatGPT try to write the next scene in this fic)

You always should edit whatever it generates really carefully. It can make embarrassing mistakes with longer fic (eg references something that happened later in a scene that comes before it chronologically) and it breaks down after too many turns editing on the same token (just… won’t return a reply.)

I also find as an editor it has… sensibilities. It was totally unable to deal with a protagonist character who is anti-Semitic, even when the anti-semitism is clearly used to illustrate his paranoid worldview and not presenting it as the truth to anyone but him. It will flag you for a CW if you use the word “wop” or “dago” once. It repeatedly signposts where you could avoid writing explicit material… in a romantic story. Or avoid writing violent material… in a horror story. (This is because ChatGPT itself can’t generate erotica or graphic stuff but it seems to have a conniption fit when it reads it.) If you write something in it about blacks or trannies that isn’t fawning it’ll scold you for being a bad author (eg “boohoo you can’t make the evil witch a tranny, your promoting harmful stereotypes!” Or “if you don’t take the n-word out of this scene I can’t help edit it (scene is about a literal antebellum plantation.)” they are also a little bit too encouraging and won’t tell you “no”, so you still have to use your own editor brain to determine if your story is working. The energy is like an English teacher reading HS students original fiction and won’t badmouth it because it could cause them to not keep trying. Which tbf there are a LOT of writers on a03 who are basically that. But if you have more confidence I think it can do an unnecessary amount of ass kissing.

So that’s my opinion. The upsides are: LLMs will edit quickly, are always on and ready to work with you, and will help you with basically any question no matter how weird it is (unless you hit the Deplorable guardrail, which bans it from talking about a lot of things.)
 
I tried ChatGPT but found it had a mind of its own, was a suck up, and I had to constantly prod it and tell it to not blow smoke up my arse to get it back on track. Plus its memory was dog shit so I had to keep telling it to stop making shit up when I asked it to check anything larger than 5k words. It would literally start making up bullshit that didn't exist if I fed it the whole story at once.

I moved over to Claude when it pissed me off too much and found it's a lot more powerful and accurate, though it has a usage limit and isn't free. The thing I value most is being able to bounce ideas off of it. I was having trouble organising the rules of this world I'd created since I hate worldbuilding, and I asked it to read the story, and ask me questions about how things work, why the world is the way it is etc. and I spent the day responding to it. All of the wishy washy answers I hadn't decided on were solidified. I could do all this with a real person of course, but I don't want to waste someone else's time while I'm trying to line up my thoughts.

Over the holidays I tried using it as an editor, giving it strict instructions when doing a polish pass to make sure the grammar and spelling is correct, no inconsistencies etc. and it's been going well. When I get a feeling that there's an awkward part or something's not working I'll ask its opinion and it'll give back decent advice most of the time. When it doesn't, I'll give it my reasoning why it's wrong. I even had it fight me over an opinion once, which was funny. If you're after something a bit more powerful, I'd suggest giving it a try.

So yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you said. In the hands of a Tik Tok author, it's not going to be revolutionary since it'll still output dogshit, but if you've got talent and awareness of how a story should be told, LLMs could be a very powerful tool.
 
I am having a lot of progress using Grok to help me with my writing. For a while it got really caught up in being very specific with the time/date and weather and tried to put it in every chapter so I had to tell it to cut it out and it did. I do feel as if Grok is an excellent tool but there is also the aspect of training it so that it is can be more predictively helpful and not repetitive.
 
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