The solution to cheap labor needs is America's slave population.

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God's strongest milkman

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The United States of America has the largest prison population of any country in the world and the highest incarceration rate, and because the 13th amendment specifically allows slavery as legal punishment for crime we have the largest slave population in the world.

This population is a humongous financial drain on the country and at the same time the country is burdened with a very large illegal population, the left argues these illegals are necessary for cheap labor, but they aren't. We have the biggest slave population in the world. They can and should be used on America's farms and orchards picking fruit and produce where machines aren't practical. They can and should be used in low skill and low education labor jobs where illegal labor is more popular.

The only thing cheaper than illegal labor is slave labor.

Diversity finally can and will be America's greatest strength. Quality of labor can be guaranteed by hours of approved and useful work counting against ones time served by some multitudes.

I would love to see discussion about this idea.
 
No way, they can't even maintain basic discipline INSIDE the prisons and keep contraband out. You think I want those degenerate apes touching my food? Maybe if they executed the entire group (including the guards) if any contamination or quality control failures happen. As it stands, the prison population are just allowed to do basically whatever the fuck they want inside the prison with essentially no repercussions. There is a really severe lack of discipline that would only get worse if you asked those scumbags to do anything useful.

XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG said:
Just deregulate, deregulate, deregulate and lower taxes
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Reminder that deregulating the border is what led us to this labor issue mess in the first place. I agree with lowering taxes, but hiring foreign labor should be illegal as well. Unfortunately the country and economy are hopelessly addicted to the heroin of cheap foreign labor and such a thing would destroy the country.
 
This is already being done in a way. The real solution to Americas cheap labor needs is automation. We don't need all these beaners up here picking produce in fields. These greedy as fuck farmers and corporations that own the mega farms need to invest in machines. They have machines that can pick delicate fruits like strawberries. I watched a video of a big machine driven by a person harvesting grapes in Australia. The technology is there but once again rich people are being greedy fucks and destroying the country to add a little more money to their already huge money collection. The beaners are just the modern-day nigger slaves.

If they had just waited another decade the slaves were going to be made obsolete by advancements in cotton harvesting technology.
 
David Brown said:
No way, they can't even maintain basic discipline INSIDE the prisons and keep contraband out. You think I want those degenerate apes touching my food? Maybe if they executed the entire group (including the guards) if any contamination or quality control failures happen. As it stands, the prison population are just allowed to do basically whatever the fuck they want inside the prison with essentially no repercussions. There is a really severe lack of discipline that would only get worse if you asked those scumbags to do anything useful.
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I was advocating for their use in essentially fields and the very bottom level of the food production ladder. The produce from these areas are taken to facilities for cleaning packaging and wholesale before they ever get to a market or a restaurant.
Also prisoners already get taken out of the prisons to do labor details. There are also work release programs already in place.

You wouldn't ship murderers out to local orchards. Also cheap labor is not something you're ever going to ween the American economy off of, you have to get it somehow and we already have it, we just aren't using it correctly. These labor details would have to be worked out between the prisons and the local businesses and farms.
BradeRunna said:
This is already being done in a way. The real solution to Americas cheap labor needs is automation. We don't need all these beaners up here picking produce in fields. These greedy as fuck farmers and corporations that own the mega farms need to invest in machines. They have machines that can pick delicate fruits like strawberries. I watched a video of a big machine driven by a person harvesting grapes in Australia. The technology is there but once again rich people are being greedy fucks and destroying the country to add a little more money to their already huge money collection. The beaners are just the modern-day nigger slaves.

If they had just waited another decade the slaves were going to be made obsolete by advancements in cotton harvesting technology.
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I agree that automation is a big answer to some of these problems and that of course should be part of the solution. But farming isn't actually that profitable, the margins even for a successful farm operation are terrible and extremely subservient to outside factors like weather. Also lower prices for the farmers mean lower prices for the consumers, and the consumers for food is literally everyone.

I am also using agriculture as the biggest sector that people talk about the most but anywhere that needs large amounts of low education labor to function while having very little direct civilian or customer interaction is a good place to utilize prison labor. Factories for instance.

You could also argue that this is for the benefit of the prisoners themselves but I'm not going to do that because I don't think anyone here cares.
 
Seriously, just put prisoners to work, all day, every day. The better you work the better your accommodations become, such as less prison rape and tastier food, that way they're incentived to do a good job. Feed them nutrition paste if they refuse.
 
I think the idea of just saying "yeah, we need this menial shit done, pawn it off to the poor and people already kicked down" is an unethical as hell solution. The actual solution is to make those jobs respected by paying them well and enforcing good working standards when legal citizens (normal people, the same as you and I) go to work on them.
And don't say "Americans will never do that" because they clearly can and do. Not all farmworkers are illegal immigrants, not all care nurses are Filipina, not all hospitality and service are Hispanic/illegals.
You do not see anyone in these jobs as equal people to yourself if you're sitting there with glee at how awful the working conditions are and how it'll definitely 100% shape them up, because the real truth is that for every person that is successfully shaped up there is at least one or two who is mentally and/or physically put through hell and left broken and a shell of what they could have been.

The western world, United States especially is a society built on many Morlock-style classes of people who do the most back-breaking work and almost never get talked about. Think people deboning chickens. Much of the disabled population. Daycare and teachers, to some extent. Have some compassion for the people doing the nitty-gritty that makes all your fun creature comforts possible, for the love of God.
 
Great idea

I vouch anyone caught smoking weed be the said criminals brought into slave labour

But not for picking fruits. That's like a pleasant weekend.

I have better ideas 😈
 
jray4559 said:
I think the idea of just saying "yeah, we need this menial shit done, pawn it off to the poor and people already kicked down" is an unethical as hell solution. The actual solution is to make those jobs respected by paying them well and enforcing good working standards when legal citizens (normal people, the same as you and I) go to work on them.
And don't say "Americans will never do that" because they clearly can and do. Not all farmworkers are illegal immigrants, not all care nurses are Filipina, not all hospitality and service are Hispanic/illegals.
You do not see anyone in these jobs as equal people to yourself if you're sitting there with glee at how awful the working conditions are and how it'll definitely 100% shape them up, because the real truth is that for every person that is successfully shaped up there is at least one or two who is mentally and/or physically put through hell and left broken and a shell of what they could have been.

The western world, United States especially is a society built on many Morlock-style classes of people who do the most back-breaking work and almost never get talked about. Think people deboning chickens. Much of the disabled population. Daycare and teachers, to some extent. Have some compassion for the people doing the nitty-gritty that makes all your fun creature comforts possible, for the love of God.
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By the way I wanna make it clear that I don't mean this as some sort of way to actually torture prisoners, there would be humane standards for working conditions and benefits in either time served or privileges and comforts provided for their work.

We have about 2 million prisoners in America and the amount of crop pickers we need is estimated to be around 2 million. It's just practicality.

I'm aware that the country is built up around working class people who don't get enough. Ive worked in logistics, kitchens and nursing homes and I'm about to start working as a CDL driver. But I also know that the country has a lot of crime problems that are never going to go away, and this is the way that those problems can also offer some solutions.

We have the legal ground for it in the 13th amendment, we have the popular support for it because fucking California voted to keep slave labor for prisoners during the election even though no one actually argued for it. We have the need and the means and the prison population.

The reason for doing all this is not only to replace lost foreign workers but to bring food prices down even further, which is beneficial for everyone but especially the poor and working class. if it's successful in agriculture you could expand it into other low risk sectors which might bring down in house manufacturing costs.

This would also provide work history, and possibly even some skills to prisoners as well as giving them something to do other than becoming a better criminal on top of their already established "pay" wether that would be commuted sentence agreements or benefits and quality of life improvements.
 
I don't consider it a good idea to create an incentive to have as much prisoners as possible that you can exploit for cheap labour. Sounds like an invitation for a myriad of new bs laws that sends the poor to the camps, because your economy started to depend on it at some point.
 
God's strongest milkman said:
I'm aware that the country is built up around working class people who don't get enough. Ive worked in logistics, kitchens and nursing homes and I'm about to start working as a CDL driver. But I also know that the country has a lot of crime problems that are never going to go away, and this is the way that those problems can also offer some solutions.
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But you haven't offered any solution to the issue of American workers being stiffed out of jobs for cheap labor. You're just saying "I know that the labor market is poor for Americans right now, but fuck them I'm proposing my idea anyways". We need to replace foreign workers with American workers and actually pay them
 
YellowIsACoolColor said:
But you haven't offered any solution to the issue of American workers being stiffed out of jobs for cheap labor. You're just saying "I know that the labor market is poor for Americans right now, but fuck them I'm proposing my idea anyways". We need to replace foreign workers with American workers and actually pay them
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If Trump actually goes through with his deportations it will result in a large amount of job openings, the labor market will get better and the prison labor jobs would be for the jobs that couldn't possibly pay well enough to be attractive to anyone with any other option.

Lowering agriculture cost lowers the costs of almost everything else, it lowers meat costs because now the livestock's food is cheaper, it lowers a lot of manufacturing costs, it lowers the costs of living, it lowers the costs of facilities like schools,prisons, hospitals, old folks homes. Anywhere that needs to feed people as a decent part of their budget. It lowers certain fuel and oil costs.

This frees up more money for paying staff and wages as well as making existing money go further for families and workers.

There's millions of people we are going to be deporting. The two million prisoners only some percentage of im not sure what will be actually useful as workers wouldn't take up even half of the jobs freed up if all illegals were deported.

And when that happens and native born Americans take those jobs they will have to be paid properly and that will cause some prices to rise, other prices will have to fall to not make the cost of living crisis worse.

Prison labor is only supplemental to the multiple millions of freed up jobs that will be there after extensive deportations. It can then be shored up by automation because they won't be enough by themselves and can't be used in more sensitive sectors and places.
 
Why not pay people a fair wage for the work they do instead of artificially reducing everything so you can manipulate your stock price by a fraction of a percentage?
 
David Brown said:
No way, they can't even maintain basic discipline INSIDE the prisons and keep contraband out. You think I want those degenerate apes touching my food?
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You know that every day in every state in America inmates leave the razor wire and work outside right? It's not Tyrone the Rapist of Cell Block B they're letting out it's medium and minimum security trustees. Shit nigga, the lowest security prisons in Texas and the Federal system literally don't have walls. Wait until you find out about the Californian inmates that fight wildfires.
 
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