The real argument artists should be making against AI - AI companies are inflicting moral injury on artists.

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Every artist I know is furious. The illustrators, the novelists, the poets — all furious. These are people who have painstakingly poured their deepest yearnings onto the page, only to see AI companies pirate their work without consent or compensation.
The latest surge of anger is a response to OpenAI integrating new image-generation capabilities into ChatGPT and showing how they can be used to imitate the animation style of Studio Ghibli. That triggered an online flood of Ghiblified images, with countless users (including OpenAI CEO Sam Altman) getting the AI to remake their selfies in the style of Spirited Away or My Neighbor Totoro.
Couple that with the recent revelation that Meta has been pirating millions of published books to train its AI, and you can see how we got a flashpoint in the culture war between artists and AI companies.

When artists try to express their outrage at companies, they say things like, “They should at least ask my permission or offer to pay me!” Sometimes they go a level deeper: “This is eroding the essence of human creativity!”
These are legitimate points, but they’re also easy targets for the supporters of omnivorous AI. These defenders typically make two arguments.
First, using online copyrighted materials to train AI is fair use, meaning it’s legal to copy them for that purpose without artists’ permission. (OpenAI makes this claim about its AI training in general and notes that it allows users to copy a studio’s house style — Studio Ghibli being one example — but not an individual living artist. Lawyers say the company is operating in a legal gray area.)
Second, defenders argue that even if it’s not fair use, intellectual property rights shouldn’t be allowed to stand in the way of innovation that will greatly benefit humanity.
The strongest argument artists can make, then, is that the unfettered advance of AI technologies that experts can neither understand nor control won’t greatly benefit humanity on balanceit’ll harm us. And for that reason, forcing artists to be complicit in the creation of those technologies is inflicting something terrible on them: moral injury.
Moral injury is what happens when you feel you’ve been forced to violate your own values. Psychiatrists coined the term in the 1990s after observing Vietnam-era veterans who’d had to carry out orders — like dropping bombs and killing civilians — that completely contradicted the urgings of their conscience. Moral injury can also apply to doctors who have to ration care, teachers who have to implement punitive behavior-management programs, and anyone else who’s been forced to act contrary to their principles. In recent years, a swell of research has shown that people who’ve experienced moral injury often carry a sense of shame that can lead to severe anxiety and depression.
Maybe you’re thinking that this psychological condition sounds a world away from AI-generated art — that having your images or words turned into fodder for AI couldn’t possibly trigger moral injury. I would argue, though, that this is exactly what’s happening for many artists who are seeing their work sucked up to enable a project they fundamentally oppose, even if they don’t yet know the term to describe it.
Framing their objection in terms of moral injury would be more effective. Unlike other arguments, it challenges the AI boosters’ core narrative that everyone should support AI innovation because it’s essential to progress.

Why AI art is more than just fair use or remixing​

By now, you’ve probably heard people argue that trying to rein in AI development means you’re anti-progress, like the Luddites who fought against power looms at the dawn of the industrial revolution or the people who said photographers should be barred from taking your likeness in public without your consent when the camera was first invented.
Some folks point out that as recently as the 1990s, many people saw remixing music or sharing files on Napster as progressive and actually considered it illiberal to insist on intellectual property rights. In their view, music should be a public good — so why not art and books?
To unpack this, let’s start with the Luddites, so often invoked in discussions about AI these days. Despite the popular narrative we’ve been fed, the Luddites were not anti-progress or even anti-technology. What they opposed was the way factory owners used the new machines: not as tools that could make it easier for skilled workers to do their jobs, but as a means to fire and replace them with low-skilled, low-paid child laborers who’d produce cheap, low-quality cloth. The owners were using the tech to immiserate the working class while growing their own profit margins.
That is what the Luddites opposed. And they were right to oppose it because it matters whether tech is used to make all classes of people better off or to empower an already-powerful minority at others’ expense.
Narrowly tailored AI — tools built for specific purposes, such as enabling scientists to discover new drugs — stands to be a huge net benefit to humanity as a whole, and we should cheer it on. But we have no compelling reason to believe the same is true of the race to build AGI — artificial general intelligence, a hypothetical system that can match or exceed human problem-solving abilities across many domains. In fact, those racing to build it, like Altman, will be the first to tell you that it might break the world’s economic system or even lead to human extinction.
They cannot argue in good faith, then, that intellectual property should be swept aside because the race to AGI will be a huge net benefit to humanity. They might hope it will benefit us, but they themselves say it could easily doom us instead.
But what about the argument that shoveling the whole internet into AI is fair use?

That ignores the fact that when you take something from someone else, it really matters exactly what you do with it. Under the fair use principle, the purpose and character of the use is key. Is it for commercial use? Or not-for-profit? Will it harm the original owner?
Think about the people who sought to limit photographers’ rights in the 1800s, arguing that they can’t just take your photo without permission. Now, it’s true that the courts ruled that I can take a photo with you in it even if you didn’t explicitly consent. But that doesn’t mean the courts allowed any and all uses of your likeness. I cannot, for example, legally take that photo of you and non-consensually turn it into pornography.
Pornography — not music remixing or file sharing — is the right analogy here. Because AI art isn’t just about taking something from artists; it’s about transforming it into something many of them detest since they believe it contributes to the “enshittification” of the world, even if it won’t literally end the world.
That brings us back to the idea of moral injury.
Currently, as artists grasp for language in which to lodge their grievance, they are naturally using the language that is familiar to them: creativity and originality, intellectual property and copyright law. But that language gestures toward something deeper. The reason we value creativity and originality in the first place is because we believe they’re an essential part of human agency. And there is a growing sense that AI is eroding that agency, whether by homogenizing our tastes, addicting us to AI companions, or tricking us into surrendering our capacity for ethical decision-making.
Forcing artists to be complicit in that project — a project they find morally detestable because it strikes at the core of who we are as human beings — is to inflict moral injury on them. That argument can’t be easily dismissed with claims of “fair use” or “benefitting humanity.” And it’s the argument that artists should make loud and clear.
 
I would say the biggest issue with AI art is that the talent to create art will no longer be in the hands of people who know 2d and 3d art design, anatomy, color theory, and can draw what they see, but in the hands of autists who know what thinky words to type into a textbox. In other words, it goes from being something that workshy retards can do into something highly technical that only computer geeks can do. Computer geeks already have the ability to make money. God only knows what the workshy retards will do when their last hope of earning money dies out and they're forced to work at the local grocery store for 9 dollars an hour.
 
I would say the biggest issue with AI art is that the talent to create art will no longer be in the hands of people who know 2d and 3d art design, anatomy, color theory, and can draw what they see, but in the hands of autists who know what thinky words to type into a textbox. In other words, it goes from being something that workshy retards can do into something highly technical that only computer geeks can do. Computer geeks already have the ability to make money. God only knows what the workshy retards will do when their last hope of earning money dies out and they're forced to work at the local grocery store for 9 dollars an hour.
Don't think a lot of them would be able to hold a consistent job especially anything involving the public
 
I think this really stretches the meaning of a moral injury because there's no underlying victimization as there is in the example of soldiers killing civilians in the name of your country. In this case the underlying issue is that a company is producing something more cheaply, which is not really morally offensive. My sympathy is with the artists in general when it comes to AI stuff but I don't think they have many good arguments, unfortunately.
 
The only hope for artists is that IP law saves them, but given that you can’t copyright styles, the availability of the public domain, the likelihood of finding scabs who will sell their IP to big companies for training, etc. it seems like merely delaying the inevitable. Further, the longer that AI companies make inroads unabated the more inertia will be present to dissuade the legal system from upending the status quo.
IP law is meant to protect big corpos, not small artists.

It's big corpos that are stealing.

Of course, if big corpos were the ones who got their shit stolen, things would be different.

Pure hypocrisy; stealing other people's content they put online for free to make money
 
people who have painstakingly poured their deepest yearnings
Gay.

Writing software has been used by writers for years even before AI.

>b-but this wasn't good writing
1. it was "good writing" by modern standards (not divorcee porn), and

2. even sleb writers use AI these days. Alexis Kennedy, a mid-tier sleb gayme writer (woke but not woke enough to submit to a cancelling attempt) openly asks ChatGPT for setting details. His paypigs obsess over setting details, trying to piece them together and figure out, and it's just AI slop; it's likely his earlier writing had been jar jar mystery box human slop.

I would say the biggest issue with AI art is that the talent to create art will no longer be in the hands of people who know 2d and 3d art design, anatomy, color theory, and can draw what they see, but in the hands of autists who know what thinky words to type into a textbox. In other words, it goes from being something that workshy retards can do into something highly technical that only computer geeks can do.
Digital art has existed for a while. Libs who don't have the brain to flip a USB drive the other way have no problem figuring out, setting up, and pirating brushes, macros, and whatnot. AI will make their work easier. The skill needed to
(1) come up with things to draw and
(2) identify and fix defects in AI output
will still be in demand.

God only knows what the workshy retards will do when their last hope of earning money dies out and they're forced to work at the local grocery store for 9 dollars an hour.
:disagree:
The workshy population already lives on gibs and suffers no moral injury from it. A majority of the workshies aren't even aspiring artists. But the temporarily embarrassed Rembrandts will manage, too. On the other end of the spectrum, celebrity artists (OC sellers with actual social skills and a work ethic) will keep selling jpegs.

There is a social stratum, between "aspiring artists" on gibs and celebrities, whose precarious "livelihood" (drawing furry porn for $20 a pop, a type of digital prostitution) will be affected ( maybe not much? coomers get off on inflicting their fetishes on real people, maybe they'll continue paying), but getting out of prostitution will have a positive effect on the artists' lives however much they seethe.
 
IP law is meant to protect big corpos, not small artists.

It's big corpos that are stealing.

Of course, if big corpos were the ones who got their shit stolen, things would be different.

Pure hypocrisy; stealing other people's content they put online for free to make money
Agree, which is why I don’t think they’ll win in court (not enough legal manpower on their side). If I were an artist (/beg/ or /int/ tier), I would prepare for this future accordingly. As stated before, and many times by others, the upper crust of artists don’t have to worry about AI for some time.
 
Lets see what google sees under modern art...

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I think I am fine with artists getting pushed by AI.

On serious note, AI is pushing absolute bottom sloptier "artists" out of business. If a stupid bot is able to do comparable or better work to you, maybe rethink what you are doing and try to improve instead of trying to revert technology. Case in point, recently I commissioned a portrait of my cat from my old friend. I could have done it with AI, but I did not. She has a specific style that AI cannot really reproduce. If you have a unique style, and are niche enough, you might have something going for you. Otherwise, rethink your life choices, stop living as if you made it already and get to work. At least thats what I was told when I was down, but then I am a somewhat productive person.
 
Agree, which is why I don’t think they’ll win in court (not enough legal manpower on their side). If I were an artist (/beg/ or /int/ tier), I would prepare for this future accordingly. As stated before, and many times by others, the upper crust of artists don’t have to worry about AI for some time.
I'm worried of a future where you can't do anything because everything is patented/copyrighted in a way and big corpos will just use vague patents to money drain you, even if their lawsuits are bullshit.

Look at Palworld vs Nintendo; what if I ever want to make a game where you ride animals? You can't cause Nintendo's team of lawyers quickly scribbled a patent somewhere.


They might not care about small creators, but you live with a Damocles sword over your head, and they can sue any time.

Same with music. Your melody has these 3 copyrighted strings? Takedown.

I'm not even thinking about bad faith actors.

Of course this doesn't apply both ways; if they rush and make a clone of your game (alla Fortnite Amongus, LoL Autochess, etc) nobody can sue them; they get away scoff free. Nobody judges them or sues them...
 
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