The Official Simpsons Griefing Thread

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Uncanny Valley said:
They had an entire pro-evolution episode around 2006 iirc
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TBF that episode was not entirely one-sided. The ending had Lisa stating that while she respects Flanders' beliefs, she doesn't want creationism being taught in schools, which is perfectly reasonable. you probably wouldn't get that kind of nuance if it was done today. Even in the 00s Simpsons could be half-decent at times.
 
Uncanny Valley said:
Now they scream at your face how much it's a shithole.
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When its not a carbon copy of LA because thats all the current writers have ever known.

Jeff Heaney said:
TBF that episode was not entirely one-sided. The ending had Lisa stating that while she respects Flanders' beliefs, she doesn't want creationism being taught in schools, which is perfectly reasonable. you probably wouldn't get that kind of nuance if it was done today. Even in the 00s Simpsons could be half-decent at times.
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Even the one with the angel wasn't a complete fedora fest where they showed Lisa as an arrogant kill-joy who does really believe in angels in the end and the religious angry mob were hypocritical about science but really DID believe that the angel skeleton was real. They also portrayed a real scientist, Stephen Jay Gould, as a lazy, money-grubbing, liar and hack which would be taboo in today's world of "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE". Even if the show had a clear favorite they still understood the other sides view and saw the problems with their own side enough to make fun of them.
 
Strange Wilderness said:
They also portrayed a real scientist, Stephen Jay Gould, as a lazy, money-grubbing, liar and hack which would be taboo in today's world of "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE". Even if the show had a clear favorite they still understood the other sides view and saw the problems with their own side enough to make fun of them.
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I agree wholeheartedly. I remember watching that episode when I was a kid and in my edgy pseudo goth phase, and thought it was awesome that they were sticking it to fundies...but then rewatching it as an adult, I was surprised how well they also attacked science by making the scientist charge Lisa money for the experiment and not even conducting it. From a modern lens, this really does a great job of subtlety implying there's bias in academia and how scientific evidence can be falsified to fit a narrative. If they did an episode like that now, the scientist would have a larger, more prominent role, and he would do something retarded and unbelievable like flying around in a jetpack or having some kind of eco-friendly science mobile that's powered by positive energy, and his dialogue would be constantly reminding everyone that if you don't believe in climate change you're a a dumb redneck who probably eats meat, votes Drumpf and thinks the earth is flat.
 
ExceptionallyExceptional said:
So I guess it's like the case of John K. Getting around their limitations made them more clever, whereas once those limitations are removed the whole thing falls to shit.



I didn't watch the crossover when it happened. I knew it would be shit from the get go as both shows have turned to shit so any crossover they do would by default be shit.
And I've intentionally blocked most of the movie from my memory. I just really couldn't see why people thought it was so good, because I found it so lacking in any entertainment value that I've actually gone out of my way to avoid watching it again.
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The movie was good the first time I saw it, and I saw it in the theaters when I was fourteen. The appeal of The Simpsons Movie was in the spectacle of it all, the idea that we were finally getting a movie adaptation and since the show was nearing the twentieth season, everyone thought it was coming to an end.

When you rewatch it, it's mediocre. Not as bad as the Zombie Simpsons seasons that came after it but not as good as the Golden Age (Seasons 1-10) or the Silver Age (Seasons 11-13) but more like a typical episode from the seasons where Zombie Simpsons was getting started (14-17) but you did have the occasional gem.

I honestly liked the Mike Scully seasons despite their flaws, but Al Jean's tenure has been awful and is pretty much when the show becomes Zombie Simpsons. Season 13 is pretty good and is more of a Silver Age season and you still have some good gems here and there through Seasons 14 and 15 although the decline becomes a lot more apparent there.

At the most generous, I'd cut off the series after Season 15 since that's the last season where you had any of the old guard writers on board (aside from Al Jean) and while there are a few more episodes from Season 16 and 17 I liked despite their ridiculousness (Treehouse of Horror XV, The Italian Bob, Midnight RX) everything after that is shit.

The Simpsons Movie really felt like a last hurrah, at least when I saw it in the theaters. Everything after that was when I realized the show had fully zombified.

ToroidalBoat said:
Back when "New Atheism" was an edgy new thing in the mid-late '00s West, did Zombie Simps try to look cool by supporting it?
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The closest thing they did were the evolution episode in 2006 (right as the show was going into full Zombie Simpsons mode) that was mentioned earlier and the origin of Flanderization as a pop culture term.
 
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Piga Dgrifm said:
I love Sneed so much I have a Feed&Seed bodypillow.
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Strange Wilderness said:
When its not a carbon copy of LA because thats all the current writers have ever known.


Even the one with the angel wasn't a complete fedora fest where they showed Lisa as an arrogant kill-joy who does really believe in angels in the end and the religious angry mob were hypocritical about science but really DID believe that the angel skeleton was real. They also portrayed a real scientist, Stephen Jay Gould, as a lazy, money-grubbing, liar and hack which would be taboo in today's world of "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE". Even if the show had a clear favorite they still understood the other sides view and saw the problems with their own side enough to make fun of them.
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I also love how one of the targets of the mob's rage was a Christian Science institution.
 
Syaoran Li said:
The movie was good the first time I saw it, and I saw it in the theaters when I was fourteen. The appeal of The Simpsons Movie was in the spectacle of it all, the idea that we were finally getting a movie adaptation and since the show was nearing the twentieth season, everyone thought it was coming to an end.
When you rewatch it, it's mediocre. Not as bad as the Zombie Simpsons seasons that came after it but not as good as the Golden Age (Seasons 1-8) or the Silver Age (Seasons 9-13) but more like a typical episode from the seasons where Zombie Simpsons was getting started (14-17) but you did have the occasional gem.

The Simpsons Movie really felt like a last hurrah, at least when I saw it in the theaters. Everything after that was when I realized the show had fully zombified.
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I've said it before but The Simpson's Movie just has the weirdest...atmosphere/vibe/feeling to it on rewatch.
A sort of airless and lifeless quality just pervades the whole experience.
Uncanny Valley applied to an entire film.
The cinematic equivalent of purgatory.
It's like the team got stuck halfway between making something great and phoning it in when they made the movie.
 
BR55 said:
I've said it before but The Simpson's Movie just has the weirdest...atmosphere/vibe/feeling to it on rewatch.
A sort of airless and lifeless quality just pervades the whole experience.
Uncanny Valley applied to an entire film.
The cinematic equivalent of purgatory.
It's like the team got stuck halfway between making something great and phoning it in when they made the movie.
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I could make something better than that:/
 
BR55 said:
I've said it before but The Simpson's Movie just has the weirdest...atmosphere/vibe/feeling to it on rewatch.
A sort of airless and lifeless quality just pervades the whole experience.
Uncanny Valley applied to an entire film.
The cinematic equivalent of purgatory.
It's like the team got stuck halfway between making something great and phoning it in when they made the movie.
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Pretty much this in a nutshell.

The only way it doesn't have that quality is when it was in the theaters. The Simpsons Movie only works watching it in the theater, and honestly I'd say the era of the movie's release and the wider atmosphere at the time had more to do with that than anything else.

Take the movie outside the summer of 2007 and the hype that surrounded it, and it's a weird and lifeless uncanny valley of a movie.
 
BR55 said:
I've said it before but The Simpson's Movie just has the weirdest...atmosphere/vibe/feeling to it on rewatch.
A sort of airless and lifeless quality just pervades the whole experience.
Uncanny Valley applied to an entire film.
The cinematic equivalent of purgatory.
It's like the team got stuck halfway between making something great and phoning it in when they made the movie.
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The Simpsons Movie was made by a committee of veteran writers and then sat thru a lengthy development hell. This kind of process is what the classic era used to develop scripts but it didn't end there. They then did a series of test screenings and the reactions of the audience altered the movie heavily. This is why "Spider-Pig" which was once one dumb throwaway joke became the Pickle Rick of the movie's meme marketing.

What you were left with is a heavily lopsided film that tries to please everyone including the jaded 90s "Comicbook Guy" style fans and your normies. I saw it once in the theater and my reaction was it felt like a decent recreation of the classic show, until The Simpsons escaped Springfield and then it turned into unfunny trash.

I still remembered being bored to tears during the Eskimo Dream sequence. Why did they try to make drama with Marge leaving Homer when we know such a dramatic event would obviously be resolved? Why did they rename Rainer Wolfcastle "Arnold Schwarzenegger?"

It amazes me that the movie is only 86 minutes long yet felt so much longer. I wonder why Mr. Burns is reduced to a small credits cameo when he's the most iconic antagonist the show had and could have easily been written in as a character who was behind the destroying of Springfield. Why do the Simpsons writers have an apparent disdain for the EPA? Whatever, what should have been used as the finale for the show now just feels like a footnote in the TV show that'll never end.
 
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