The Official Simpsons Griefing Thread

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PS1gamenwatch said:
I thought he was supposed to be this guy:

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Nah, there was an interview that said Grimes was supposed to be a normal person. “We wanted to do an episode where the thinking was "What if a real life, normal person had to enter Homer's universe and deal with him?" - Josh Weinstien (a writer on the episode in an interview)

Looks wise he is definitely influenced by Falling Down though.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Nah, there was an interview that said Grimes was supposed to be a normal person. “We wanted to do an episode where the thinking was "What if a real life, normal person had to enter Homer's universe and deal with him?" - Josh Weinstien (a writer on the episode in an interview)

Looks wise he is definitely influenced by Falling Down though.
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He probably should have watched the show that aired on tv then because he wasn't a real life normal person at all, he had an insanely ridiculous life of hardship and suffering.
 
Truthboi said:
The only reason Sideshow Bob episodes are really being made are because he's a very popular character and drives ratings for the show. Just like everything else for the Simpsons, it's also to recycle previous plots like how Homer goes on a diet, Bart is about to fail school, Lisa having competition, or the super classic Homer and Marge are totally going to get divorced this time.
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it's getting to the point that Peter and Lois are a better marriage. how sad is that
 
Duncan Hills Coffee said:
This is why I love Grimes' subsequent blow-up because it perfectly encapsulates Homer's insanely good life despite being characterized as lower-middle-class for much of the series. Grimes meanwhile is the average person and all he has is his briefcase and his haircut. Azaria really nailed Grimes' frustration in that bit.

There's also that wonderful bit where Grimes complains that he lives in a single-room apartment above a bowling alley and below another bowling alley and Homer says, "Wow," in amazement, as if that were a situation he wouldn't mind being in. For one thing it shows Homer's sheer disconnect from reality where he sees that as a good thing and for another it seems as though he wouldn't mind a living space like Grimes'. It's as if they want the other person's home but Grimes is more visibly angry that Homer does so much better than him while Homer is more naively good-natured about it.
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I was reading some Youtube comments regarding that bit talking about how that might also have been referencing how Homer's dream job was to work at a bowling alley before Maggie was born.

Honka Honka Burning Love said:
If it was..then that joke fell flat for me, but that entire episode fell flat for me. Grimes was such a dick to Homer that I didn't care he died.
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That was something else that was mentioned in said comments,

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Adam Malkovich

Adam Malkovich 5 months ago

It's one of those episodes that speaks about what's really wrong with America by making you think it's one thing but it's actually the other. The problem with America is not people who are lazy and stupid, but the real problem are people who gripe and complain and hate others because they are envious of them. Like you said, Homer may have some serious brain distortions, but he truly does care about people when you remove the layers of junk...even if you have to do it on a daily basis with him, hence what Marge has learned to do and how she's able to stay with Homer...probably no other woman would. Frank, on the other hand, has intelligence and common sense but his heart is hyper critical, he's angry with people, and quite frankly (no pun intended) he's extremely self-righteous. Self-righteous people say they deserve better because they are smarter, work hard, or give more, but in reality a person who is lined up for blessings is someone who is grateful for what they have. What Frank didn't realize is that Homer doesn't have everything...he lacks intelligence...but not for one second was he jealous of Frank for besting him in this area. That's what I believe the underline message was here.

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I can't say for sure if that's what the writers were going for, but it makes sense. At the end of the day, it's your attitude that ultimately determines where your life is gonna go and how you perceive people. Homer tries to befriend Frank by inviting him to dinner at his home with his family, and Frank assumes Homer is just trying to rub his success in his face and tells him "He's what's wrong with America."
 
Overcast said:
I was reading some Youtube comments regarding that bit talking about how that might also have been referencing how Homer's dream job was to work at a bowling alley before Maggie was born.



That was something else that was mentioned in said comments,

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Adam Malkovich

Adam Malkovich 5 months ago

It's one of those episodes that speaks about what's really wrong with America by making you think it's one thing but it's actually the other. The problem with America is not people who are lazy and stupid, but the real problem are people who gripe and complain and hate others because they are envious of them. Like you said, Homer may have some serious brain distortions, but he truly does care about people when you remove the layers of junk...even if you have to do it on a daily basis with him, hence what Marge has learned to do and how she's able to stay with Homer...probably no other woman would. Frank, on the other hand, has intelligence and common sense but his heart is hyper critical, he's angry with people, and quite frankly (no pun intended) he's extremely self-righteous. Self-righteous people say they deserve better because they are smarter, work hard, or give more, but in reality a person who is lined up for blessings is someone who is grateful for what they have. What Frank didn't realize is that Homer doesn't have everything...he lacks intelligence...but not for one second was he jealous of Frank for besting him in this area. That's what I believe the underline message was here.

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I can't say for sure if that's what the writers were going for, but it makes sense. At the end of the day, it's your attitude that ultimately determines where your life is gonna go and how you perceive people. Homer tries to befriend Frank by inviting him to dinner at his home with his family, and Frank assumes Homer is just trying to rub his success in his face and tells him "He's what's wrong with America."
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I don’t know if that was he true intention of the episode or not, but I do like that version of things the best.
 
Overcast said:
referencing how Homer's dream job was to work at a bowling alley before Maggie was born.
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Man, I forgot that was a thing, for all his stupidity and lazyness fucks up his life you gotta admit Homer at least did the responsible thing and gave up his dreams to raise his kids.
 
Yeah, I also never found Grimes likable. Good episode, but I think they went out of their way to minimize Homer's struggles. He's gone on goofy adventures, sure, but he's also very dumb, his mother walked out on him, and he's had often economic and marriage struggles. Grimes and the writers acting it out like he had it easy all the way through kinda missed the point.
 
Overcast said:
I was reading some Youtube comments regarding that bit talking about how that might also have been referencing how Homer's dream job was to work at a bowling alley before Maggie was born.



That was something else that was mentioned in said comments,

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Adam Malkovich

Adam Malkovich 5 months ago

It's one of those episodes that speaks about what's really wrong with America by making you think it's one thing but it's actually the other. The problem with America is not people who are lazy and stupid, but the real problem are people who gripe and complain and hate others because they are envious of them. Like you said, Homer may have some serious brain distortions, but he truly does care about people when you remove the layers of junk...even if you have to do it on a daily basis with him, hence what Marge has learned to do and how she's able to stay with Homer...probably no other woman would. Frank, on the other hand, has intelligence and common sense but his heart is hyper critical, he's angry with people, and quite frankly (no pun intended) he's extremely self-righteous. Self-righteous people say they deserve better because they are smarter, work hard, or give more, but in reality a person who is lined up for blessings is someone who is grateful for what they have. What Frank didn't realize is that Homer doesn't have everything...he lacks intelligence...but not for one second was he jealous of Frank for besting him in this area. That's what I believe the underline message was here.

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I can't say for sure if that's what the writers were going for, but it makes sense. At the end of the day, it's your attitude that ultimately determines where your life is gonna go and how you perceive people. Homer tries to befriend Frank by inviting him to dinner at his home with his family, and Frank assumes Homer is just trying to rub his success in his face and tells him "He's what's wrong with America."
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It kinda goes back to the Falling Down comparison. Bill was upset about his life going awry and how other folks that he felt didn't contribute much to the nation had it better

 
friedshrimp said:
Yeah, I also never found Grimes likable. Good episode, but I think they went out of their way to minimize Homer's struggles. He's gone on goofy adventures, sure, but he's also very dumb, his mother walked out on him, and he's had often economic and marriage struggles. Grimes and the writers acting it out like he had it easy all the way through kinda missed the point.
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Also I remember everyone in the episode being uncharacteristically nice to Homer (I guess to make the story work)
 
Uncanny Valley said:
Also I remember everyone in the episode being uncharacteristically nice to Homer (I guess to make the story work)
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I can at least understand Lenny and Carl, as they're Homer's co-workers and buddies. But it is something I noticed too. Maybe Frank just instinctively flipped something on in their collective minds or something.

I am a little surprised he also didn't go after Burns over being replaced by a dog.
 
Lol you guys.


Never thought Frank Grimes was a dick. Completely reasonable fellow. Even though Homer can barely afford the house he has, he's still a lucky oaf who has met and been through tons of events. Homer may have troubles but he always gets out of them easily. Frank Grimes has to struggle his way out. That's the point. Homer is automatically guided to be out of any sort of trouble while Frank has to work out of trouble, and Frank is angry at Homer for being such an oaf with mostly good luck. Frank believes he deserves the lifestyle he has through hardwork while Homer does nothing and gets by. Remember, even though the Simpsons always had money troubles, at that point in Season 8 they had gone through way more shit that at that point had made the reality of the Simpsons more fantastical and cartoonish. The grounded nature of Seasons 1-3 is gone, boyyos. Homer's Enemy is the episode that literally put the mark on the invetiable future of the show.

Also in most cases, Oakley and Weinstein went out of their way to make Burns nice and I dont know why. He was a bit nicer than usual in King-Size Homer.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Well that point came across very poorly.
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Well the point of it is to compare Homer with Frank. Frank, a man, like you said had a very shit time in his life and had to work his way out of it. Homer never really had to work for much in his life unlike Frank. Even though he is upper lower middle, Homer still pretty much went through the jobs in his life the lazy way. That's why Frank is fucking pissed at a guy like Homer, particularly after the dinner scene.
 
The Pink Panther said:
like you said had a very shit time in his life and had to work his way out of it
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So have I, I am not a bitter enough asshole to shit on someone like Frank did to Homer in front of his family. The man had a meltdown because Homer went to space (note the context of that was finding the most "Average" guy to do it so people cared) and Homer still sort of got the raw end of that deal because of "In Rod we Trust".

The Pink Panther said:
particularly after the dinner scene.
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You mean where he screamed at the man who invited him over to dinner, not entirely out of the good of his heart but at least Homer was coming from a good place of "I don't understand why this guy hates me, but Marge said to invite him over and see if that helps us find common ground so I am going to do that and extend our full hospitality by making a meal that we really can't afford." and the thanks Frank gives him is to scream in his face.

As for Homer being lucky? Consider that he works a job he hates, that he is woefully untrained to do, that he works purely out of concern for his children. He is not very bright, and can be lazy..but he has also been beaten down by the fact by before he was 30 his entire life had become a perpetual grind that he hates. All those "lucky" "wacky" adventures he goes on ultimately mean nothing..because at the end of the day he is back at the Nuclear Plant because the universe he lives in (literally) bends itself over backwards to enforce the status of his life.
 
CWCissey said:
Let me stop you there.

The norm seems to be being woefully underemployed (i.e. you're massively OVERtrained to do a certain job)

I'd say Homer's lucky.
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Nah, Homer is working a job he is woefully unequipped to do so that Mr. Burns doesn't have to pay someone who is actually qualified for the job Homer works, why pay someone trained and competent 6 figures when you can pay Homer 5.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Nah, Homer is working a job he is woefully unequipped to do so that Mr. Burns doesn't have to pay someone who is actually qualified for the job Homer works, why pay someone trained and competent 6 figures when you can pay Homer 5.
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In "Burns Verkaufen der Kraftwork" Burns rehires Homer because he wants to "Keep his friends closer but his enemies closer." And in "And Maggie Makes Three" Homer goes back to work but is given "The Plague" contract that he's at SNPP forever.

Homer is in an eternal wage slavery to Burns who wants to keep Homer miserable. The reason why varies on episodes but I'd like to think it's due to Burns keeping a grudge with his WW2 superior Abe Simpson.
 
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Cardenio said:
In "Burns Verkaufen der Kraftwork"
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I don't think they conjugated that verb right. Shouldn't it be "Burns verkauft der Kraftwerk"? Any krauts confirm or is my German just shit?

Cardenio said:
In "Burns Verkaufen der Kraftwork" Burns rehires Homer because he wants to "Keep his friends closer but his enemies closer." And in "And Maggie Makes Three" Homer goes back to work but is given "The Plague" contract that he's at SNPP forever.

Homer is in an eternal wage slavery to Burns who wants to keep Homer miserable. The reason why varies on episodes but I'd like to think it's due to Burns keeping a grudge with his WW2 superior Abe Simpson.
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I think he's just stuck there because Burns keeps forgetting to actually take his final revenge since he only ever remembers Homer exists for a maximum of seven days at a time.
 
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