The Official Simpsons Griefing Thread

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Truthspeaker said:
Al Jean is not a stupid man...By '91, he already had a decade of experience in writers' rooms.
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I didn't say he was stupid. My point was that because of his presence and experience in the writer's room, it's unlikely whatever he's referring to occurred in there because then he would actually have personal experience of it. Since he said it wasn't something he personally knew, it's either something he was told by someone else, or heard through the grapevine, neither of which he should be perpetuating in my opinion.

Truthspeaker said:
Mars absolutely should be liable if they franchised a factory out to Dan Schneider so he could take the All That cast on tours through his candy paradise.
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Wut? Are you arguing that The Simpsons should be responsible for what Michael Jackson did because he used the money earned from Simpson's episodes/promotion to bring kids to Neverland?
 
iRON-mAn said:
I didn't say he was stupid. My point was that because of his presence and experience in the writer's room, it's unlikely whatever he's referring to occurred in there because then he would actually have personal experience of it. Since he said it wasn't something he personally knew, it's either something he was told by someone else, or heard through the grapevine, neither of which he should be perpetuating in my opinion.
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He wouldn't need personal experience. Two years tops would be more than enough time to tell Al Jean all he needed to know about why Jacko wznted to get invoved with The Simpsons.

Every bit as much as it was obvious to all of Hollywood why Kevin Spacey became executive producer of The Social Network.

iRON-mAn said:
Wut? Are you arguing that The Simpsons should be responsible for what Michael Jackson did because he used the money earned from Simpson's episodes/promotion to bring kids to Neverland?
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I'm arguing that Al Jean, and anyone else with veto power, should've done everything they coulld've to keep Jacko from gueststarring, like when Spielberg kept him off Hook, which was released in the same fucking year as "Stark Raving Dad".

I'm arguing that Al Jean is a self-serving piece of shit who definitely knew better than to allow Jacko involvement with the coolest TV show in the world, and did otherwise outta love of money. I'm arguing that his comments right now are fundamentally obfuscation measures designed to retroactively cover his reputation.

Sure, Jacko would've continued to molest without "Stark Raving Dad", but it was Jean's choice to dirty himself up by getting involved. Just as it was Lady Gaga's choice to associate the best song she ever wrote with a sexual-predator guest-singer and a secual-predator music-video director.
 
Truthspeaker said:
I'm arguing that Al Jean, and anyone else with veto power, should've done everything they coulld've to keep Jacko from gueststarring, like when Spielberg kept him off Hook, which was released in the same fucking year as "Stark Raving Dad".
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I mean, I'm pretty dubious about this story considering that Spielberg in his biography says he was considering Jackson for the role in the 80s when it was a live-action Peter Pan involving singing and dancing. When it evolved into a grown-up Peter Pan, Jackson rejected the role, because he didn't want to play an adult Peter Pan. You can draw your own conclusions about Jackson wanting to be cast as Peter Pan as a young boy.

Truthspeaker said:
I'm arguing that his comments right now are fundamentally obfuscation measures designed to retroactively cover his reputation.
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Ah, that might be. Though, if that is the case, it may have been better to just keep quiet, since no one was talking about him before he interjected himself into the narrative.
 
Truthspeaker said:
He wouldn't need personal experience. Two years tops would be more than enough time to tell Al Jean all he needed to know about why Jacko wznted to get invoved with The Simpsons.

Every bit as much as it was obvious to all of Hollywood why Kevin Spacey became executive producer of The Social Network.


I'm arguing that Al Jean, and anyone else with veto power, should've done everything they coulld've to keep Jacko from gueststarring, like when Spielberg kept him off Hook, which was released in the same fucking year as "Stark Raving Dad".

I'm arguing that Al Jean is a self-serving piece of shit who definitely knew better than to allow Jacko involvement with the coolest TV show in the world, and did otherwise outta love of money. I'm arguing that his comments right now are fundamentally obfuscation measures designed to retroactively cover his reputation.

Sure, Jacko would've continued to molest without "Stark Raving Dad", but it was Jean's choice to dirty himself up by getting involved. Just as it was Lady Gaga's choice to associate the best song she ever wrote with a sexual-predator guest-singer and a secual-predator music-video director.
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Do you have a point? Or just a hate-boner for Michael? Your incoherent rambling is comparable to shit Alex Jones would say.
 
iRON-mAn said:
I mean, I'm pretty dubious about this story considering that Spielberg in his biography says he was considering Jackson for the role in the 80s when it was a live-action Peter Pan involving singing and dancing. When it evolved into a grown-up Peter Pan, Jackson rejected the role, because he didn't want to play an adult Peter Pan. You can draw your own conclusions about Jackson wanting to be cast as Peter Pan as a young boy.
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That was a cover line, which Spielberg's no stranger to. He did the same thing for George Lucas after Crystal Skull's fridge-nuking.

Except he did the fridge-nuking cover because George Lucas is his friend. He did the "we wanted an older Peter Pan" cover because he didn't want to get sued by Jacko for saying "I thought about him, but then he took Webster to the Grammy Awards, and I really didn't wanna risk it".

It's not even a good cover story. Jacko would've worked just fine for the role, seeing as how he was a grown-ass man himself. That "chemically castrated" bit was a lie. Jacko could speak like a grown man just fine. Any man who practices, and takes good care of their voice, can speak and sing just as high as the King of Pop.

Jacko didn't believe Spielberg's cover story either. Otherwise, he wouldn't've hexed the Kike Bastard who jewed away his boytoys.

iRON-mAn said:
Ah, that might be. Though, if that is the case, it may have been better to just keep quiet, since no one was talking about him before he interjected himself into the narrative.
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It would've been better to keep the pedo of the show he was running in the first place.

kimb_jo said:
Do you have a point? Or just a hate-boner for Michael? Your incoherent rambling is comparable to shit Alex Jones would say.
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I'm not the fondest of gazillionaire rapists who use their money and power to get away with crimes us mortals are justifiably put in the breaking wheel for, but the worst shit I've brought up's already a matter of record.

The "brown shower" DVD was found in MJ's bedroom and catalogued by the Santa Barbara Police. Maureen Orth has never been sued by Jacko or anyone from his camp, even after her story about him practicing witchcraft to put a curse on the Jew Bastards who cost him his concubines. The relationships with Sean Lennon, Terry George, Macaulay Culkin, Aaron Carter, and who knows how msny others* are extensively documented.

Even if not one accuser stepped forward, Michael Josrph Jackson would still be the most suspicious showbusinesser this side of Dan Schneider's windowless van. But he has five accusers, and that's not counting the likes of Carter, Feldman, and Mark Ronson; who've all admitted that Jacko gave them drugs and booze, and watched porn with them; nor George, who admitted Jacko tried to talk him into phone sex.

This guy didn't leave behind that much evidence.

* Don't even get me started on his '92 European tour with Kriss Kross.
 
I'm just not convinced that the entire entertainment industry knew Michael Jackson was a pedophile in 1991 when the episode was made.
The rumors had always been that he was "simply" gay (usually career-killing back in the '80s).

I was in high school in 1993 when he was arrested for molesting Jordan Chandler. I remember being stunned hearing the allegations. It didn't seem possible at the time that a celebrity could be a pedo. I thought the tabloids actually watched celebrities 24/7 and would catch them if they ever tried something like that.
Of course, now we know that is totally not true. Jerry Sandusky, Jared Fogle, and that Jimmy Saville nonce in the UK prove that celebs can actually get away with their crimes easier.
 
friedshrimp said:
I feel this is the start, since now Disney owns Fox, they're gonna start deleting and eliminating a lot of old classic Simpsons episodes since they're not as progressive as the woke crowd of 2019 would accept, and the rat, desperate to appeal to SJWs and soulless Christian house moms, they'll do anything to delete that and promote the lame new episodes that have a "diversity is our strength" message or the like.

When you appeal to Lisa Simpson or Helen Lovejoy, you end up losing.
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Thanks to the woke crowd, they might create a Streisand effect for these old Simpsons episodes. :story:
 
iRON-mAn said:
Which Grammy Awards was this?
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'84, as I've posted repeatedly.

Travoltron said:
I'm just not convinced that the entire entertainment industry knew Michael Jackson was a pedophile in 1991 when the episode was made.
The rumors had always been that he was "simply" gay (usually career-killing back in the '80s).

I was in high school in 1993 when he was arrested for molesting Jordan Chandler. I remember being stunned hearing the allegations. It didn't seem possible at the time that a celebrity could be a pedo. I thought the tabloids actually watched celebrities 24/7 and would catch them if they ever tried something like that.
Of course, now we know that is totally not true. Jerry Sandusky, Jared Fogle, and that Jimmy Saville nonce in the UK prove that celebs can actually get away with their crimes easier.
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He took Webster to the '84 Grammys. He never traveled without at least one boy between eight and sixteen in his company. He was already kicked off at least one high-profile project released in '91 because the shotcallers thought he was a creep who shouldn't be around children.

Once Weinstein went down, not only did the line "everybody knew" crop up in every story, but there were receipts to back it up. Kevin "Andrew Gayfield AND Justin Timbergay?" Spacey? Same deal. Even Britney Spears, who couldn't possibly have an IQ above 90, could barely contain her laughter at Ryan "Paging Dr. Freud" Seacrest's "cologne" slipup.

If a barely-functional 'tard like Britney knows which skeletons are in which closets, it's totally incredible that Al "Harvard STEM at Sixteen" Jean wouldn't've already heard several dozen cracks about MJ's lust for boys after a decade in Tinseltown.

Super-Chevy454 said:
Thanks to the woke crowd, they might create a Streisand effect for these old Simpsons episodes. :story:
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In a better world, Jean would've just dug just deep enough with this bullshit comment to send the same landslide on his head that sunk Paterno. He's a pathetic phony,* and the pieces he's left behind are childishly easy to put together.

But that probably won't happen. It's asking a lot for even one more special friend to step forward, let alone expecting the downfall of even one of the lower-level enablers.

* Though a talented writer and showrunner. Credit where credit's due.
 
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I dunno...
I think Al Jean is just some guy that worked with Michael Jackson for like one day. I don't think knowing someone for that short of a time makes him complicit somehow. Unless Michael was stupid enough to confess something to Jean, which Michael was always smart enough never to reveal to adults.
Certainly there were people close to Michael Jackson that must have known what was up and are worthy of scorn, but the people that made The Simpsons were just "ignorant" (as Michael liked to say) and just got swept up in his celebrity hype like the Safechuck and Robson families did.
 
Travoltron said:
I dunno...
I think Al Jean is just some guy that worked with Michael Jackson for like one day. I don't think knowing someone for that short of a time makes him complicit somehow. Unless Michael was stupid enough to confess something to Jean, which Michael was always smart enough never to reveal to adults.
Certainly there were people close to Michael Jackson that must have known what was up and are worthy of scorn, but the people that made The Simpsons were just "ignorant" (as Michael liked to say) and just got swept up in his celebrity hype like the Safechuck and Robson families did.
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Truthspeaker said:
'84, as I've posted repeatedly.

He took Webster to the '84 Grammys. He never traveled without at least one boy between eight and sixteen in his company. He was already kicked off at least one high-profile project released in '91 because the shotcallers thought he was a creep who shouldn't be around children.
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I just wanted to clarify, since he also took Webster to the 93 Grammys, though both are equally ridiculous, although at least the 84 one fits the time frame. But Spielberg stepped down from the project in 85 and it was abandoned all together in 87. Robin Williams didn't sign on until 89, when the project became Hook, after which Spielberg was brought back on board. MAYBE people suspected Jackson's inklings wards young boys back then, but to suggest it has anything to do with Spielberg's casting choices in the 80's ignores Spielberg's own dissatisfaction with the narrative and wanting to spend more time with his own children.
 
Marge: Bart! I always told you you'd send your father to the crazy house!

Bart: No you said poor house.

Marge: Crazy house!

Bart: Poor house!

Marge: CRAZY HOUSE!
 
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