The Official Simpsons Griefing Thread

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I actually like most of Super Eyepatch Wolf's videos, but I doubt he could ever convince me that the Simpsons have ever become less shit and I don't think I will ever watch that video. Descriptions of that video provided here are not helping his case.

Sorry if that sounds petty.
I have to be fair in my initial criquite of the video I thought Eyepatch was claiming that the Golden Age Simpsons wasn't so great because you can find ridiculous usenet reviews. What he is claiming is that a negative perception of the post 2000s show (like mine) is just as subjective as that usenet user. Which is still a dumb take. I even watched the Westworld Parody that they did.
And if Eyepatch Wolf isn't being paid to shill then damn does he do a good job convincing me that he is. He acts as if this skit is a condemnation of Simpsons fans wanting to live in the past (Good Seasons). The only jokes in this whole sketch are Simpsons references it is nonstop memberberries. And I'm only being harsh on it because Eyepatch Wolf points to this and goes "LOOK LOOK HOW GOOD THE SIMPSONS ARE NOW!" This parody is cromulent, nothing that makes me disapointed. But to Eyepatch Wolf this sketch is amazing, an TAKEDOWN OF SIMPSONS HATERS WHO ARE LIVING IN THE PAST. Absolutely absurd. And then he went LOOK HOW GOOD THIS NED FLANDERS MOBSTER EPISODE IS!
Yeah this is the same forgettable Simpsons I remember in Season 14. So maybe him and the other Autistic Youtubers are right that Season 34 is better than Season 32, but that doesn't make it good by any grand metric.
 
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And then the worst take of all, he basically polishes & repackages Moviebob's "Simpsons is just as good as it always was you just grew up" argument which is one of the stupidest opinions I've ever read.
I forgot to add this but Deadhomersociety made a response to Moviebob years ago: https://deadhomersociety.wordpress....demonstrably-dumb-defense-of-zombie-simpsons/
To add to my original post, another strange thing about the video is how Supereyepatchwolf brings up Krusty startinmg clown school twice but it the second clown school episode is from season 34, the same season he clams breaks out of the repetitive cycle.
Upon thinking about the video, even further its not all that bad in terms of disconnectedness from previous videos. He doedoes compare gag counts and characters to earlier seasons and bring up how characters and things are meant ton be to prove his case, I can kindoff see what Supereyepatchwoldf says about Marge in Heartbreak Hotel relates to what he said about Homer and how the early years did its characters and saying that some of the newer epiesodes beiung zany also relating to how stated the shift to wackiness since season 8 in his first video as well but its obvious that he is trying to form a new narrative on why the newer seasons suck that don't involve comparing it to the older seasons.
This sounds strange considering it's just a television show and nothing else with your added bits of social commeentary here and there, but the need to deconstruct the golden age is to basically create a new rootless view of The Simpsons that doesn't involve basing it on what the show is supposed to be based on how the original writers and show runners have done it .
It's the same reason why academia over the last decades have been trying to deconstruct western history and the traditions that made it up, it shuts down any opposition to decay and makes it so that the decay looks normal and like progress in stead of decay.
I wouldn't be suprised if at some point we are going to see video essays like "The golden age was a lie" and "The Simpsons was always good" as it is a natural evolution of deconstruction. When you deconstruct the golden age and make it like people just don't like change then it basically removes all reasons to dislike the later seasons and see it as a bunch of disconnectedand unrelated seasons that have no common identity or way they must be to be The Simpsons in the first place.
 
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I actually like most of Super Eyepatch Wolf's videos, but I doubt he could ever convince me that the Simpsons have ever become less shit and I don't think I will ever watch that video. Descriptions of that video provided here are not helping his case.

Sorry if that sounds petty.
watch it and draw your own conclusions
I forgot to add this but Deadhomersociety made a response to Moviebob years ago: https://deadhomersociety.wordpress....demonstrably-dumb-defense-of-zombie-simpsons/
Good response but I feel like he got some of Bob's points wrong, even as he quoted him. now i know Bob doesnt deserve it but even tho he's an idiot he should get critiqued thoroughly. for example:
DHS - The gist of all that is that The Simpsons simply isn’t as good as you remember it being, you just love it because you loved it as a kid and it’s still highly watchable now that you’re an adult. The big, flashing problem with this is that most fans didn’t grow up with the show the same way he did. He’s mistaking a very narrow age bracket of people as everyone.
that is kind of misunderstanding Bob's point. Bob's point is moreso that Simpsons being big amongst kids and also being a timeless classic increases the magic of loving it. You tend to have more attachment to a classic you saw as a kid like Aladdin than if you were to watch Midsommar as an adult. But here's the thing, Bob debunks his own point:
BOB - incisive showbiz satire, everyday working class annoyances, and the existential ennui of being a smarty-pants trapped in a dumbed down world, all punctuated by a rotating staff of extremely talented comedy writers.
Does season 22 have that same relatability and talent? how about 16? 32? 27? what writer is citing "Homer Simpson, this is your wife" as an influence? what college course is teaching the plot structure of "Donnie Fatso"?

That's the problem with Bob, he values making something seem larger than life over the facts of the matter. Better Call Saul cant just be a prequel show that gives nuance to side characters, it has to be "Vince Gilligan's television answer to the Silmarrilion". Simpsons cant just be a great show because it had talented writers it had to be some sort of special sauce that gave people their childhoods and then validated it for them as adults. Pheh

DHS I sympathize with more and more and feel his blog is good and well written, but he has a tendency to miss out on details because he's so busy tearing into the mere idea of praising "Zombie Simpsons" that he sees read. However this is an excellent point:
DHS - The police on The Simpsons are fat, incompetent and often drunk on their own power. Whatever the quality of your local force, that overall perception remains very much with us. Springfield Elementary is perpetually underfunded and doesn’t do many of its kids a whole lot of good. Sound familiar? Corrupt local politicians, annoyingly pious neighbors, gossipy church ladies, and evil plutocrats are still a recognizable part of the American landscape. Self help scams, niche conventions, and painfully dumb awards shows haven’t gone anywhere either.
And it speaks to how Bob tries to connect the kitschy love for 80s toy fads to his love for actually good things. The contents of the Simpsons and the culture of the Simpsons are both interesting, the content of Thundercats isnt, but if you can debatably argue that the culture is interesting you can have Thundercats stand amongst giants or moreso a giant like Simpsons stand among midgets if you fudge with superficial observations a little. It speaks to me like how Star Wars fans try to put it on the same level as Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings is like a real book! Dont compare it with Star Wars. Tho speaking of Star Wars there's another argument you can use that's similar to the one I use for Prequel fans: There are family sitcoms that came out post-Classic Simpsons that outplayed post-Classic and even if post-Scully Simpsons tho I do like his era admittedly. just like how LOTR, Harry Potter, Narnia and Pirates all outpaced the Prequels South Park, American Dad, King of the Hill and Family Guy outpaced millennium Simpsons. so where's the explanation there?
 
Good response but I feel like he got some of Bob's points wrong, even as he quoted him. now i know Bob doesnt deserve it but even tho he's an idiot he should get critiqued thoroughly.

Upon revisiting the article, I realized that much of what he says can be applied to the Supereyepatchwolf video as well such as the fact that having the show change from what made it good in order for it to continue sounds like another season to cancel it or do a completely different show. Even then, at what point will it be until the so called changes and improvements themselves become stale and uncreative.

Moviebob like alot of zombie defenders misunderstands the issue at hand and it can be seen with his videos being titled why its still funny.

We see DeadHomerSociety has also responded to Movie bob again where we see him make the samefalse assumptions: https://deadhomersociety.wordpress....est-weak-defenses-of-zombie-simpsons-edition/

Moviebob basically makes the same false narrative by saying that "Marge gets a Job" is a bad episode because it revovlves around a topic that isn't funny.
While being funny is part of it as its a comedy, framing it around just being funny is increadably one dimensional and reductionist and misunderstands what makes an episode good in the first place.

What makes episodes good is not just being funny but also the character dynamics, the satire as well as even how emotions are handled. Along with this it is also about how the episode balances those things together. When you view everything as just "being funny" then ofcourse the golden age isnt as good since you are are looking at one aspect that makes up the golden age.
 
Upon revisiting the article, I realized that much of what he says can be applied to the Supereyepatchwolf video as well such as the fact that having the show change from what made it good in order for it to continue sounds like another season to cancel it or do a completely different show. Even then, at what point will it be until the so called changes and improvements themselves become stale and uncreative.

Moviebob like alot of zombie defenders misunderstands the issue at hand and it can be seen with his videos being titled why its still funny.

We see DeadHomerSociety has also responded to Movie bob again where we see him make the samefalse assumptions: https://deadhomersociety.wordpress....est-weak-defenses-of-zombie-simpsons-edition/

Moviebob basically makes the same false narrative by saying that "Marge gets a Job" is a bad episode because it revovlves around a topic that isn't funny.
While being funny is part of it as its a comedy, framing it around just being funny is increadably one dimensional and reductionist and misunderstands what makes an episode good in the first place.

What makes episodes good is not just being funny but also the character dynamics, the satire as well as even how emotions are handled. Along with this it is also about how the episode balances those things together. When you view everything as just "being funny" then ofcourse the golden age isnt as good since you are are looking at one aspect that makes up the golden age.
interesting to see all these articles that are now only available in archives. the guy's passionate and correct but man is he fucking gay
 
The other day somebody posted a Simpsons clip in which Burns visited Yale and retired his funding due to the woke there.

I couldn't avoid but notice the whole thing was bland and toothless. While still ostensibly following the Simpsons aesthetics -And that's, I think, why some people might be fooled about 'returns to form'- and similar to the sort of stuff the Simpsons used to do, it was severely lacking.

Now, I had stopped watching the Simpsons long ago, and I identified that there is a certain sense of continuity. This clip is actually like a degraded form of a 2000s era gag, seasons roughly 9 to 11, where The Simpsons was deep into the "We're still relevant, damnit" era yet still managed to be funny.

For many, many years (I think during the tenure of Scully), the Simpsons would abandon any attempt at actual social commentary and put the characters in a bubble, only to occasionally flirt with referencing real life stuff. This is the period best known as the jerkass Homer era.

Noticeably, this period lacks any sort of direct mention to then current president George W. Bush when previously presidents would be regularly mocked and make appearances. I think George ". Bush is only mentioned one during the "Here's me fighting former President Bush, he's me fighting current President Bush" gag.

Criticism of the Bush administration was also quite bizarre and esoteric, and one has to wonder if this exercise of political restraint was somehow enforced.

If I recall correctly, Obama and politics were mostly absent during the Obama years and they never really mentioned him or his administration or really go into anything too much political except for that one episode with Michelle Obama. It makes me wonder.

Now, with Trump they went full retard, full woke and full on politics in a manner they've never been before. They recovered a style of satire from the late Clinton years that was, and still is to this day by some Simpsons fundamentalist, considered a jumping of the shark at the time.

Needless to say, the horrible, souless, high definition, kitschy and excessively detailed with excessively bright colours animation, the exhausted, aged up characters, the constantly dying cast and the talentless writers don't help.

TL;DR - Current Simpsons style of comedy isn't all that new, it's a degrad rehash of late stage classic Simpsons brand of comedy that was already considered to be excessively random access humor fueled, goofy, nonsensical and childish back in the day. That's what some people that really want to like this 'progressive, made for modern audiences' Simpsons would probably call a return to form. They don't want, nor can, recreate the sort of comedy that made seasons 2 to 7.

I'm going to echo the sentiment that if they ended the series with the movie, they would've gone out on top.

The movie was quite underwhelming and choke full of the sort of shit I described above, and I had already lost interest in newer seasons by the time it came out. They woudn't have gone exactly out on top, but certainly they would have died with dignity.

Just have him not realize it’s Homer until the very end, and then as soon as he does immediately calls everything off and apologizes to Homer like he accidentally took Homer’s car keys or something.

That would have been amazing but:

a) It would have never been green lighted
b) They already didn't have writers able to pull it off

He's also openly talked about age of consent with gay men as well. Then there was that time he got extra grabby with a guy's dick on the Howard Stern Show.

What's wrong with Hollywood fags? They're like even more of a degenerate than pleb fags

"Bart loses his mind [Full Scene]" - RP

Strange, I cannot remember this.

The Simpsons was created as a response to the wholesome family values that 1980’s sitcoms provided and what Reagan’s America wanted. It worked well, but by the late 1990’s, Reagan’s influence wasn’t as prominent as once was. The Simpsons didn’t get the memo, and continued pushing this rebellious attitude.

And as much as I like 90s Simpsons, I think they did a great harm. They set a trend of dysfunctional behaviour showcased on TV that has only gotten worse and worse.

Much to my chagrin, and as much as I think Bart's antics at the height of the backlash were exceptionally tame, especially considering he was conceived by somebody who thought Dennis the Menace was really tame and harmless and wanted to write an actual problematic child, the moral guardians of the 90s were right about everything and the Helen Lovejoys of the world should have been listened to.

Now he's followed it up with total trash, I suspect he just made up a "Hot Take" because by his own admission it's a good clickbait title that he lifted from some blog.

SEW is so scared to say the wrong thing and offend somebody or getting the slightest heat on social media that a Republican Senator being blackmailed with pictures of himself smoking crack as he gets his cock sucked by an underage twink while drinking vodka with Vladimir Putin and George Soros while browsing the Kiwi Farms would appear a sensible, calm, collected and in-control individual by comparison.
Soap Operas for Deeply Closeted Gay Men (Pro Wrestling)

Pro Wrestling is totally straight, bro!

SEW, LS Mark and RealJims

The triad of Youtube Autistic Manchildren.

Shitting on your fanbase that no longer watches the show is not proof youve made a comeback

Looks like Disney ownership is starting to show.

But they decided to wait until now to start applying their usual MCU/Pixar promotional strategies on The Simpsons

Yes, definitely the Disney playbook.

Never change, Iger.

I think the show might be better than it was a decade ago

See above.
 
Noticeably, this period lacks any sort of direct mention to then current president George W. Bush when previously presidents would be regularly mocked and make appearances. I think George ". Bush is only mentioned one during the "Here's me fighting former President Bush, he's me fighting current President Bush" gag.
Speaking of Simpsons and current affairs remember when Lisa was a Zionist Warhawk?
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This is one of the most interesting weird lines of dialogue Lisa has had. I wonder if the Simpsons writers didn't know what a Mosque was or if they were trying to make some sort of satirical commentary of the Gulf War but it sounds so strange for Lisa to be fan of a US female pilot bombing houses of worship. Or maybe those mosques were being used to hide weapons caches I dunno.
 
Speaking of Simpsons and current affairs remember when Lisa was a Zionist Warhawk?
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This is one of the most interesting weird lines of dialogue Lisa has had. I wonder if the Simpsons writers didn't know what a Mosque was or if they were trying to make some sort of satirical commentary of the Gulf War but it sounds so strange for Lisa to be fan of a US female pilot bombing houses of worship. Or maybe those mosques were being used to hide weapons caches I dunno.

Considering the Simpsons style of comedy, they wanted to make Lisa simp (no pun intended) for any accomplished woman, even if that would be the first woman in a military with a record of destroying not only harmless buildings, but also sacred buildings. I think that was the joke and there was no political statement to it. This is the sort of thing that made The Simpsons great. They would never do this in this day and age.

This joke is in the same category as "That elephant ate my entire platoon" and "I spent the next three years in a POW camp, forced to subsist on a thin stew of fish, vegetables, prawns, coconut milk, and four kinds of rice. I came close to madness trying to find it here in the States, but they just can't get the spices right" from Skinner.

Also, I mentioned earlier in this thread, at one time Lisa was the most conservative of all the Simpsons.
 
Considering the Simpsons style of comedy, they wanted to make Lisa simp (no pun intended) for any accomplished woman, even if that would be the first woman in a military with a record of destroying not only harmless buildings, but also sacred buildings. I think that was the joke and there was no political statement to it. This is the sort of thing that made The Simpsons great. They would never do this in this day and age.

This joke is in the same category as "That elephant ate my entire platoon" and "I spent the next three years in a POW camp, forced to subsist on a thin stew of fish, vegetables, prawns, coconut milk, and four kinds of rice. I came close to madness trying to find it here in the States, but they just can't get the spices right" from Skinner.

Also, I mentioned earlier in this thread, at one time Lisa was the most conservative of all the Simpsons.
All this time I've obsessed over The Simpsons, never considered that that line is actually a joke AT Lisa's expense. And that shows how nuanced the show was. Most people including myself obviously would commonly fault the character of Lisa for always being a beacon of progressive righteousness.

Speaking of Simpsons having some interesting Political Satire gotta love Homer's dream sequence of serving President HW Bush and plowing thru some (assumingly left wing protestors).
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And it's just played for laughs. It's not some grand political commentary. Homer was just a Chud Patriot.
 
Noticeably, this period lacks any sort of direct mention to then current president George W. Bush when previously presidents would be regularly mocked and make appearances. I think George ". Bush is only mentioned one during the "Here's me fighting former President Bush, he's me fighting current President Bush" gag.
This was always odd to me, when every other show was making a comment on The War on Terror and The Bush Administration, almost jackshit was said about it on The Simpsons. I mean, I remember when they did a Gitmo episode which was made way after Bush had left the White House.
 
They don't want, nor can, recreate the sort of comedy that made seasons 2 to 7.
I still think "Behind the Laughter" should've been the last episode. Even then the show was arguably going downhill.

In other words, the show should've stayed an '80s and '90s show, and definitely not tried to be a Current Year show.
 
IIRC if the series did not get renewed for another couple of seasons the plan was it was one of the future episodes (holidays of the future past ) would be the finale. As the crew wanted the series to end on Chrismas (since it started on Chrismas)
 
I heard the plan for the final episode was to somehow loop it back to the first episode.

Had that been done in the '90s, it'd almost certainly be better than what they'd do now.
And that started as a fan hypothetical for how a final episode should be and even Al Jean gave his sort of official approval of it. Essentially, the final episode would lead up to a recreation of the intro with the family rushing back home.
 
Lisa's Wedding should have been the final episode.
Why then?

Essentially, the final episode would lead up to a recreation of the intro with the family rushing back home.
Time works very differently in The Simpsons, compared to time in real life. Especially in Zombie Simpsons, when Homer and Marge are somehow no longer teens in the 1970s.
 
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