US The New Secession

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The American Civil War decided the question of whether states have a right to secede from the American Union. The answer was no. That has long been settled. Yet today, more than a century and a half afterward, another kind of secession is playing out across America: individuals are seceding one by one from the national enterprise.

Americans, to a surprising degree, are no longer proud of their country and do not trust their government, these misgiving being two crucial aspects of their disenchantment that portend troubling implications for America’s future.

Public-opinion polls suggest that Americans are far less patriotic than they were just a few decades ago. According to a recent Wall Street Journal poll, just 38 percent of Americans say that patriotism is important to them, compared to 70 percent who expressed patriotic feelings in a poll taken in 1998. The decline in patriotism is most pronounced among younger Americans: only 23 percent of respondents under age thirty said that patriotism is important to them. That is a troubling statistic because it suggests that the problem is growing worse over time and that the age group with the most negative outlook on America is poised to take over the leadership of the country.

In view of those figures, it is not surprising to learn that Americans place little trust in their government in Washington. Pollsters have been measuring this attitude since the 1950s by asking respondents if they trust the government to do the right thing “always or most of the time.” In the 1950s and early 1960s, roughly 75 percent of respondents expressed a general faith in the competence and integrity of government. That number began to decline through the 1960s and 1970s, largely in response to the war in Vietnam, the Watergate scandal, and the economic and social problems of that era. Trust in government rebounded through the 1980s and 1990s, reaching a peak of 55 percent in 2002, and has been in free fall ever since. In 2023, just 20 percent of respondents expressed a favorable view of the government.

Trust in government varies depending upon which party controls the presidency. During the Trump years, only 15 percent of Democrats expressed trust in the government; now, during the Biden presidency, only 10 percent of Republicans will do the same, while trust among Democrats has rebounded substantially. The numbers certainly reflect the growing hostility between members of the two parties: they appear to dislike one another more than they admire their country. Nevertheless, levels of trust in government today are still broadly low by historical standards.

These attitudes are mirrored in various ways in the day-to-day decisions made by American citizens:

1. The number of Americans leaving the country to live elsewhere has more than doubled over the past few decades, from four million in 1999 to nine million in 2023. Every four years many prominent Americans threaten to move if the candidate from the opposing party is elected to the presidency.

2. Millions of American families have abandoned the public schools in recent decades, owing to a perceived decline in standards or the politicization of the school curricula. The number of homeschooled students has quadrupled over the past two decades from one million in the year 2000 to nearly four million this year. The number of students enrolled in charter schools has more than doubled from 1.7 million in 2010 to 3.7 million in 2021, as more families seek alternatives to the traditional public schools. The public schools have long played an important role in promoting American citizenship by providing a common curriculum to students of all classes, races, and ethnic groups. That (sadly) is no longer the case.

3. Americans are abandoning the workforce in unprecedented numbers. The labor force participation rate in the United States has declined from 67.2 percent in the year 2000 to around 62 percent today, a decline of eight to nine million workers in a workforce of 165 million. How those absent workers are surviving without employment is anyone’s guess. But the disappearance of those jobs is taking a toll on economic growth and prosperity across the nation.

4. Gun ownership has surged over the past few years as an unprecedented 7.5 million Americans purchased guns for the first time between 2019 and 2021. Most gun owners cite self-protection as a main reason for their purchase, their concern inflamed by rising crime and parallel attacks on law enforcement.

5. The most alarming trend: Young Americans are no longer volunteering to serve in the military to the extent they did just a few years ago. The U.S. Army, Navy, and Air Force recently announced that they will fail to meet their recruitment goals this year. The army, for example, had to cut its active-duty strength because it failed to meet its recruiting goals by 25 percent. The navy and air force are having similar difficulties. Military leaders point out that the number of young people who meet the military’s fitness standards is declining for several reasons, including drug use, mental-health issues, and lack of physical fitness. More importantly, fewer young people are interested in serving in the military: just 9 percent of Americans of service age (eighteen to thirty-nine) say they are interested in joining the military, compared to 23 percent a few years ago. Many who might have joined in the past point to concerns about “woke” policies in the military related to race, feminism, sexual identity, and other issues. Those Trump voters who just a few years ago sent their sons and daughters into the military are no longer doing so, probably due to these woke policies. The trend is likely to continue and perhaps accelerate, causing significant challenges for military leaders. Fortunately, the United States is unlikely to engage in a conventional war anytime soon. In such an event, the military might not have enough manpower to fight it—a large problem for a military superpower with global responsibilities.

These figures indicate a growing trend among Americans to “secede” from the national enterprise. Americans in large numbers do not trust their government and do not feel pride in their country. They are acting out these attitudes by renouncing their citizenship, withdrawing from the public schools, arming themselves because the authorities cannot or will not protect them, leaving the workforce, and disdaining military service. Can a nation prosper when its citizens no longer feel an attachment to the national enterprise? Can it even survive? These are important questions that are likely to be answered one way or another in the next decade or two.

Have you tried not being a Weimar Republic?
 
@Uranus Pink kill the commie bastards, even Obama had the decency to send a wreath to the memorial when a bunch of uni faggots told him not to.
 
We don't pay the taxes any more. Megacorporations do. They pay more every second than we do in a lifetime. Don't let the propaganda about "0% income tax" fool you - their value to the system is enormous. That's why the federal government gives them more privileges at our expense every year.

It's also why they're so insistent on replacing white people. Whites are used to a certain level of luxury. Most of us would be unhappy living in the pod. We also would be unhappy being paid 5 dollars a day working for Amazon. Third world peasants don't come with these hangups. Give them a concrete cell and a bottle of swill and they'll happily labor away for virtually nothing. All while their employer becomes ever richer, in turn making the government ever richer.
I understand where you're coming from and hate Corporations, but that's completely false. Most of those Mega Corporations have their networth in non-taxable assets mostly stock shares. The general population owns far more in actual liquidity which can and is taxed to shit. For example Blackrock owns around 80k homes which may sound like a ton but isn't even .1% of the amount of housing in America.

So in reality, the middle class pay for everything which the Corporations play money printer with the Feds. Then what makes it worse, the elite act like spoiled brats and esstinally bite the hand that feeds their worthless asses. The Government is nothing without us.
 
Well everyone who isn't a marxist, especially those in the former Confederate states, better realize real fast that the Marxists wants them dead, their children either mutilated and/or fucked. For their states' sin of dare trying to leave their perfect union 162 years ago.
 
While we're on the subject, guess what else the marxistsl govt wants to and will destroy next year.

They all found the time today, to vote on a resolution that they love Israel.

It passed 412-9-1 in the House.

Why don't they all move to Israel if they want to be Jews so badly.
 
The rules are written by the winners. If you secede and get away with it, it was legal.
If you can win it doesn't matter. I'm sure the USA wasn't allowed to leave the UK but that's a moot point because guess who was victorious in the American Revolution. On that note though if you attempt secession do expect some kind of armed movement from the federal government to stop that from happening.
 
The American Civil War decided the question of whether states have a right to secede from the American Union. The answer was no. That has long been settled.
It straight up did not, journo. Someone winning a war does not perpetually answer whether or not their side was 'correct'. Just incredibly disingenuous. But at the same time this seems to be admitting that they know the war wasn't all because of slavery.
 
If you can win it doesn't matter. I'm sure the USA wasn't allowed to leave the UK but that's a moot point because guess who was victorious in the American Revolution. On that note though if you attempt secession do expect some kind of armed movement from the federal government to stop that from happening.
The union does need the southern boys for their foreign wars, considering a large majority of the military has southerners in it. Let’s hope when the time comes they make a wise choice.
 
It straight up did not, journo. Someone winning a war does not perpetually answer whether or not their side was 'correct'. Just incredibly disingenuous. But at the same time this seems to be admitting that they know the war wasn't all because of slavery.
Ain't that something? The good guys win every time.
 
America would be improved a great deal by simply making it illegal for federal office holders to be dual-nationals. After that little problem is resolved perhaps some greater changes could be made.
Whoawhoawhoawhoa, cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks.
 
I dunno, I love what America is supposed to be, but fucking hate the people running it into the ground.

I'm not sure if this fits the definition of patriotism they're using or not.
What is was supposed to be was allowed to be subverted by the people it was supposed to be for.

30 pieces of silver to several dozen key people over the last century to turn it into just another turd world country with state encouraged displacement, rape and murder against the founding stock.

Burn it down and start anew. This country was doomed from the start when it was founded by fucking Free Masons.

America is nothing but an economic zone for infinity spics now.
 
America is the only nation on earth that goes out of it's way to target and destroy the people who keep this country running. It isn't a dying nation, it's a dead nation that's still a bit warm to the touch. America incentivizes being a jobless felon on welfare while it attacks the people who are productive. Corporations and government work in tandem to fuck over just about everyone in the ultimate gamble to create a consumer class to sustain a feedback loop of infinite profit

Soon there won't be anybody left to play their game. No amount of immigration from the third world can fix the demographic or labor issues in the country. The article mentions Americans abandoning the work force, but there is a graver issue on hand: Look at the median age of the people who are in the work force right now.
Jobs essential to critical infrastructure like truck drivers, linemen, steel workers, are all between 45 - 60 with no one showing up to replace them. And no one will. Not until this fucking game is over with. When you celebrate and glorify being unproductive don't act surprised when no one wants to work.

At this current rate the country has about a decade at most before we see a complete failure of government. This will be expedited by foreign adversaries who have a great interest in seeing America balkanize.
 
Just incredibly disingenuous. But at the same time this seems to be admitting that they know the war wasn't all because of slavery.
The Secession was indirectly about slavery as the North wanted to turn the South and the Western territories into continental size company towns. As the Southern states faced exorbitant tariffs and excise taxes on imported goods and especially for European finished goods to fund the Federal Government. Which for the Northern states was great as they had few fewer ports to be taxed on and wanting the South to be a permanent captive market only for their finished merch.
 
Soon there won't be anybody left to play their game. No amount of immigration from the third world can fix the demographic or labor issues in the country. The article mentions Americans abandoning the work force, but there is a graver issue on hand: Look at the median age of the people who are in the work force right now.
Jobs essential to critical infrastructure like truck drivers, linemen, steel workers, are all between 45 - 60 with no one showing up to replace them. And no one will. Not until this fucking game is over with. When you celebrate and glorify being unproductive don't act surprised when no one wants to work.

At this current rate the country has about a decade at most before we see a complete failure of government. This will be expedited by foreign adversaries who have a great interest in seeing America balkanize.
This is unironically true. The migrants who arrive here tend to be leeches to society, not productive. Sure you have some that are doing slave labor under the table (or just plain old slavery as seen with the Cartel drug farms in California) and most of them are unskilled to the point they won't be able to occupy and work the jobs effectively in comparison with the local population.

As for the whole complete failure and balkanization, its gonna be interesting to see which states succeed on being independent and productive. Its almost guaranteed that the leftoid strongholds are gonna become Africa-tier in how much of a shithole they're gonna be.
 
America would be improved a great deal by simply making it illegal for federal office holders to be dual-nationals. After that little problem is resolved perhaps some greater changes could be made.

Oy Vey, cool with the anti-jewish hate.

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I understand where you're coming from and hate Corporations, but that's completely false. Most of those Mega Corporations have their networth in non-taxable assets mostly stock shares. The general population owns far more in actual liquidity which can and is taxed to shit. For example Blackrock owns around 80k homes which may sound like a ton but isn't even .1% of the amount of housing in America.

So in reality, the middle class pay for everything which the Corporations play money printer with the Feds. Then what makes it worse, the elite act like spoiled brats and esstinally bite the hand that feeds their worthless asses. The Government is nothing without us.
The top 1% pays 40% of the income tax. The bottom 50% pays functionally zero percent. The middle class is obsolete, which is why they're destroying it. They want billionaires because billionaires pay lots of taxes, and they want serfs because serfs enable billionaires. People in between don't help facilitate the GAE.
 
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