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The Mueller Report
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Well, it looks like we finally made it to the end of the line. To everyone who thought the Mueller report would drag on indefinitely: Take a sigh of relief. To everyone who thought the Mueller report would wind up resulting in impeachment proceedings: Sorry to disappoint, but that was never going to happen in the first place. In any event, we've made it to the end and somehow managed to avoid setting the country completely on fire, so that alone is worth a drink.

Seeing as how this is going to be THE most-spun political document since the fucking Clinton impeachment hearings, I'm not going to link to any articles about it. I don't care who has to say what about the Mueller report, be it FOX, MSNBC, CNN, or even smaller outlets like the Epoch Times. Everyone is going to spin this, so all I'm going to do is pore over the report and bring anything interesting to the fore, just like I did with the OIG Report on the Handling of the Clinton Email Investigation.

Yet again: The best advice I can offer is to read this yourself, but I don't expect everyone to do that because it's four-hundred fucking pages long. If you do not see a direct link to the information someone is quoting from this report so you can read the quote yourself, I'd advise disregarding it. If I do not directly quote something from the report and provide an easy way for you to look up the page for yourself, disregard it.

If you need an extremely-abridged TL;DR, I'll include one in the spoiler below. For everyone else: Buckle up, because I'm about to bore your fucking socks off.

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Corbin Dallas Multipass said:
I've held off on this for a while, but here we go
The definition of insanity is this:
noun
  1. the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness.
    "he suffered from bouts of insanity"

    Opposite:
    sanity

    extreme foolishness or irrationality.
    plural noun: insanities
    might be pure insanity to take this loan"
Notice doing the same thing and expecting a different result is not one of them. On top of that, there are tons of activities we repeat hoping for a different outcome. Sports teams play against each other multiple times with different outcomes, gambling is repeating the same thing hoping for a different outcome.

Hell according to quantum physics even reality repeats the same thing and gets different outcomes.

Gimme dem puzzle pieces now.
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What the fuck are you doing on the Farms, Black Science Man?
 
Corbin Dallas Multipass said:
I've held off on this for a while, but here we go
The definition of insanity is this:
noun
  1. the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness.
    "he suffered from bouts of insanity"

    Opposite:
    sanity

    extreme foolishness or irrationality.
    plural noun: insanities
    might be pure insanity to take this loan"
Notice doing the same thing and expecting a different result is not one of them. On top of that, there are tons of activities we repeat hoping for a different outcome. Sports teams play against each other multiple times with different outcomes, gambling is repeating the same thing hoping for a different outcome.

Hell according to quantum physics even reality repeats the same thing and gets different outcomes.

Gimme dem puzzle pieces now.
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I agree; Neither Montenegro nor Einstein were psychiatrists.
 
So something I've heard multiple times recently in some right-wing podcasts when they've discussed the FISA report but wanted to bring it up here so @It's HK-47 can keep the threads tidy...

Several times commentators said something along the lines of "the Mueller report proved there was no collusion, but the Trump campaign still did some bad things, it wasn't a complete exoneration." Was legit curious what these other "bad things" were (as funnily enough, nobody's mentioned the details) or did this thread already go over it?
 
Flexo said:
So something I've heard multiple times recently in some right-wing podcasts when they've discussed the FISA report but wanted to bring it up here so @It's HK-47 can keep the threads tidy...

Several times commentators said something along the lines of "the Mueller report proved there was no collusion, but the Trump campaign still did some bad things, it wasn't a complete exoneration." Was legit curious what these other "bad things" were (as funnily enough, nobody's mentioned the details) or did this thread already go over it?
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There were a lot of accusations flying around that Trump "obstructed justice" during the course of the investigation. But since there was no crime in the first place, it was like demanding someone be arrested when their only crime was resisting arrest.
 
thismanlies said:
There were a lot of accusations flying around that Trump "obstructed justice" during the course of the investigation. But since there was no crime in the first place, it was like demanding someone be arrested when their only crime was resisting arrest.
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That's actually one way I distinguish between the left & right anti-trump sites.

The Left ones always bring up obstructing justice. The Right ones so far just say "bad things." I think one I heard the other day was "the campaign did seek to open back door channels to wikileaks." Is that a crime now? Do any meatbags know?

(And like I said elsewhere, how would that be a crime but the Steele dossier wouldn't be?)
 
Flexo said:
That's actually one way I distinguish between the left & right anti-trump sites.

The Left ones always bring up obstructing justice. The Right ones so far just say "bad things." I think one I heard the other day was "the campaign did seek to open back door channels to wikileaks." Is that a crime now? Do any meatbags know?

(And like I said elsewhere, how would that be a crime but the Steele dossier wouldn't be?)
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As far as I'm aware, the Trump people got their hands on the wikileaks stuff at the same time as everyone else did. The accusation is that they paid some third party to get ahold of it, then leak it to the wikileaks people.

Which is retarded, seeing as the files had to have been locally accessed or whatever. I'm a bit drunk at time of writing, so feel free to correct me where I'm wrong in this other threadgoers but that's the gist of it. They aren't accused of somehow directly influencing wikileaks since they're a middleman.
 
thismanlies said:
There were a lot of accusations flying around that Trump "obstructed justice" during the course of the investigation. But since there was no crime in the first place, it was like demanding someone be arrested when their only crime was resisting arrest.
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A lot of people throw around the word 'entrapment' way too much, like when hookers say 'You can't arrest me because you said you weren't a cop! That's entrapment!'

But this is actual entrapment: trying to induce someone to commit a crime they otherwise would not. They didn't have a crime. They know they didn't have a crime. Trying to jam someone up so that they "obstruct" by defending themselves is a textbook example of entrapment.
 
Unog said:
As far as I'm aware, the Trump people got their hands on the wikileaks stuff at the same time as everyone else did. The accusation is that they paid some third party to get ahold of it, then leak it to the wikileaks people.

Which is exceptional, seeing as the files had to have been locally accessed or whatever. I'm a bit drunk at time of writing, so feel free to correct me where I'm wrong in this other threadgoers but that's the gist of it. They aren't accused of somehow directly influencing wikileaks since they're a middleman.
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The DNC email stuff was transferred from the server at a rate of 24mb/s which is either USB or at the very least a local connection w/ no encryption/proxy, so it could be traced to a specific machine or place nearby. Podesta's emails were got using a phishing scam from a fucking @gmail.com address. Hillary Clinton's email server was hacked by no less than 17 governments, iirc, and an unknown number of individual actors.

Trump's former campaign manager and off the books booster, Roger Stone, knew a guy who knew Julian Assange (Randy Credico,) and tried to pump that guy for information. That guy didn't like Stone, didn't help Stone, and testified to just as such in the court. (Stone eventually went to jail for trying to threaten Credico and influence his testimony, which was fucking weird since Stone was claiming to have special connections to Wikileaks for some reason, which wasn't at all helpful for his case.)
 
pwnest injun said:
Trump's former campaign manager and off the books booster, Roger Stone, knew a guy who knew Julian Assange (Randy Credico,) and tried to pump that guy for information. That guy didn't like Stone, didn't help Stone, and testified to just as such in the court. (Stone eventually went to jail for trying to threaten Credico and influence his testimony, which was fucking weird since Stone was claiming to have special connections to Wikileaks for some reason, which wasn't at all helpful for his case.)
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That's because Stone is an exceptional individual.
 
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