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The Mueller Report
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Well, it looks like we finally made it to the end of the line. To everyone who thought the Mueller report would drag on indefinitely: Take a sigh of relief. To everyone who thought the Mueller report would wind up resulting in impeachment proceedings: Sorry to disappoint, but that was never going to happen in the first place. In any event, we've made it to the end and somehow managed to avoid setting the country completely on fire, so that alone is worth a drink.

Seeing as how this is going to be THE most-spun political document since the fucking Clinton impeachment hearings, I'm not going to link to any articles about it. I don't care who has to say what about the Mueller report, be it FOX, MSNBC, CNN, or even smaller outlets like the Epoch Times. Everyone is going to spin this, so all I'm going to do is pore over the report and bring anything interesting to the fore, just like I did with the OIG Report on the Handling of the Clinton Email Investigation.

Yet again: The best advice I can offer is to read this yourself, but I don't expect everyone to do that because it's four-hundred fucking pages long. If you do not see a direct link to the information someone is quoting from this report so you can read the quote yourself, I'd advise disregarding it. If I do not directly quote something from the report and provide an easy way for you to look up the page for yourself, disregard it.

If you need an extremely-abridged TL;DR, I'll include one in the spoiler below. For everyone else: Buckle up, because I'm about to bore your fucking socks off.

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heyitsmike said:
IF HE WUZN'T DIRTY, HE WOULDN'T BE THE SUBJECT OF SO MANY INVESTIGATIONS!!!1!1
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This bit of self-fulfilling circular logic always makes me wonder if they're stupid or they think everyone else is, when they advance it at least.

We don't want this guy in office, he's GOT to be dirty, all we have to do is find some law he broke and we can disqualify him! let's investigate his taxes!

Nothing?

Let's investigate his business practices!

Nothing?

Okay, his relationships!

Nothing?

His school records?

Nothing...

His old emails?

His investments?

Real estate holdings?

Parking tickets?

Nothing?


So we have to conclude he's clean? Well, obviously, we can't say that about a guy who is under constant investigation like he is. Why, in the last year alone he's had his taxes, business practices, relationships, school records, emails, investments, holdings and parking tickets looked into! Hardly the look of a clean man! eye twitch
 
TowinKarz said:
This bit of self-fulfilling circular logic always makes me wonder if they're stupid or they think everyone else is
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I'd go with the former. They legitimately believe it's a strong argument.
 
I've read about 40 pages so far (not getting very far, catching a flu and can't focus worth shit) and it's VERY odd how the left and the right are reading the same document... and pulling different conclusions.
 
The democrats at this point absolutely must de-legitimize Trump's election at all costs. Their entire platform depends on it. That's the entire reason they're so doggedly persisting in this goose chase. The democrats at this point simply cannot accept that Trump's election was fair, legitimate, and honest. Because if it was, then they also have to admit that;

Obama was a deeply divisive president that most working Americans despised;
Obama wasn't the holy savior worthy of worship like the media and the left pretend that he is;
They ran someone who was such an abysmal, utter failure at politics that she lost even with more than double the funding for her campaign and virtually all of Hollywood and the media backing her;
Trump's campaign statements, no matter how much they disagree with him, resonated with a not-insignificant number of citizens, and finally;
that their entire platform is becoming increasingly unpopular and disliked, and that they aren't the ardent saviors of the country, no matter how much they preach that they are.

If Trump's election was legitimate then that also means that all of the above is also true, to an extent. They'd have to admit that despite all of their grandstanding, virtue-signalling, and posturing, the electorate still rejected them and went for the billionaire reality TV star.

And this is politics we're talking about. Even worse, this is the Democrat Party. They can't admit any wrongdoing, so they absolutely must prove somehow that the elections were rigged. If the election was rigged, then they can just lean back and go "oh, we didn't lose because people don't like us, we lost because Trump cheated! We're still the good guys here!"
 
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Now that the Mueller report is out of the way, if anyone is curious as to what the next 'step' is going to be, we're going to see more attention drawn to the FISA applications. Horowitz is expected to already be drafting his final report on his investigation, and at the very corners of certain media outlets--just enough to make you dig a little--you can already find stories like this popping up, discussing Trump's likelihood to declassify some of the documentation around the FISA applications.
 
@It's HK-47 what's your take on this creating a feedback loop that grounds into the Obama administration and folks from it getting dragged?
 
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Now that the Mueller report is out of the way, if anyone is curious as to what the next 'step' is going to be, we're going to see more attention drawn to the FISA applications. Horowitz is expected to already be drafting his final report on his investigation, and at the very corners of certain media outlets--just enough to make you dig a little--you can already find stories like this popping up, discussing Trump's likelihood to declassify some of the documentation around the FISA applications.
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Given how people reacted to the release of the Mueller Report, I can already imagine the riots in places like Berkeley and Seattle.
 
They already rioted for the two years since Trump was elected, and as we've seen, it's no great loss if they do. To the rest of us anyway.

See, this is why smart people don't play the "violent insurrection" card for petty things (Lost an election), because when you DO, well, what do you do when now the rallying point is, at least at face value, more serious? (Ob of Ju)?

Like, if jaywalking is a capital crime, then, what, prey tell, do you do to bank robbers? Or murderers?

Well, the lefty "mob" as it was shot their load over something that wasn't even illegal, which is why none of the big demonstrations they pledged in the last year or so to protest alleged impropriety around these investigations have materialized. They said they'd have ten thousand marching against Barr becoming AG, nothing happened.

When a fair election result you didn't like was grounds for a violent uprising, what do you do when the same administration is now accused of actual crimes?
 
OmniousAttributer said:
How many shots does one have to take before the king shoots back?

Trump has to do something....they are just attacking him with no consequence...
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My guess is that it's about to start. He was reined in by the Mueller probe, and couldn't even have the appearance of disrupting that investigation into him.

I will be disappoint if he doesn't. Not optimistic, but I think there's going to be something. Fuck. Obama did worse than Nixon with Watergate.
 
I wonder...let's say that somewhere in this tire fire there's clear indication that Obama did something basely illegal. I don't mean, well we could interpret this to mean that or maybe there's something...but straight up, a recording, a physical record, anything of Obama saying, Look, I want you to go interfere with Trump's campaign, I want you to try and fabricate dirt on him, I'm saying get a FISA warrant and spy on him at all hours, I don't care if he's dirty or not. Or just something, regardless, that put Obama behind the eight-ball.

What would be the consequence of Trump acting on it, having him forced to testify and possibly prosecuted because of that? I don't think there is, I think it's foil hat territory, Obama is many things but basely stupid is probably not one of them, anything he got up to, he was (likely) smart enough to cover his tracks on. It'll be a little fish (comparatively) but what if. Do you think Trump would just let it go? Not because of wanting to play quid pro quo, but rather, the idea that if he let the DOJ press charges it would cause the mother God Queen of all chimpouts? Like, the "nuclear option" would no longer just be on the table, but constant nuclear warfare (from a political standpoint: like congressional walkouts, refusal to comply with presidential orders...basically a legislative hot war).

What if there's something in there that could be that serious?
 
Even if Trump is not particularly active in prosecuting his retribution, the facade is fading beneath the eyes of every same American. CNN, MSNBC and much of the rest of the MSM have hastened their deaths as time has gone forward and the Democrat leadership needs time before they can purge the Justice Democrats. His enemies and fair weather friends within the Republican party are pledging themselves to him and are doubtlessly only becoming more sure in loyalty to the presidential administration if not being defeated by age and electoral fiat. This moment is the perfect time to either destroy himself utterly or to crush his opposition thoroughly.
 
TowinKarz said:
When a fair election result you didn't like was grounds for a violent uprising, what do you do when the same administration is now accused of actual crimes?
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They've cried wolf so many times that the GOP could run a baby rapist who keeps women chained up in his basement and peoples' knee jerk reaction would involve at least some level of skepticism to hearing the accusations.
 
Shadfan666xxx000 said:
Even if Trump is not particularly active in prosecuting his retribution, the facade is fading beneath the eyes of every same American. CNN, MSNBC and much of the rest of the MSM have hastened their deaths as time has gone forward and the Democrat leadership needs time before they can purge the Justice Democrats. His enemies and fair weather friends within the Republican party are pledging themselves to him and are doubtlessly only becoming more sure in loyalty to the presidential administration if not being defeated by age and electoral fiat. This moment is the perfect time to either destroy himself utterly or to crush his opposition thoroughly.
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I just wish Gowdy had gotten on side with him and stayed in politics. Gowdy as head of the Republican senate or Congress or as VP under a Trump administration would have been very formidable. Shit, make him AG.
 
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