The Magic the Gathering Community

[Sargon's wife's son]

Half the people are a massive unlikable faggots from my experience of someone who was used to be someone who nearly got to the. Finals. And the other half are literally retired to use the same five cards. Seriously. The newer sets are completely retarded with the meta. I shouldn't be able to summon half my deck in three turns. Just stupid. It used to be that combo would be harder to pull off.
I especially hate this two card combo, which is these two black creatures. For all the combat damage you do. That opponent loses X amount of life and you gain X amount of life. And there's one other card that as long as you gain life and their parent lose life, you gain life. For some reason, magic has decided that means you can do this infinitely and win in two turns.
I'm not complaining about combos, I'm just saying. They've gotten really stupid over the past three years. They used to be a lot more difficult to pull off. It just makes the game not fun and everyone playing basically the same concept of a faggoty control deck and everyone knows everyone who plays control deck. So the biggest faggots in the world and you'll probably have sex with. Animals or something.
And people who play sliver decks are just sad. Or children.

 

[Tiz_the_happy]

i am a firm believer of making your own fun, and iven been doing that with the dandan format. idk if there is a lot of deck discussion here but i have a deck ive been working on and id like some second options or suggestions.
Heres the link https://moxfield.com/decks/5Pez7dLt302nVCmVyzVjYg
The general principle is that each player is trying to assemble a combo with the artifacts on hand. The core of the deck is myr welder to mix all of these artifacts ability's and trade post for the value it provides

 

[escampar]

Yugioh is adding serialized cards to try and get box pricing up apparently.

Yugioh box design is lazy, terrible, un-draftable, unenjoyable. I've opened plenty of boxes in my time and they always just amount to sorting by archetype / synergy / storing away and finally having to offload the absolute excessive amount of bulk, and that's me explaining it as a casual enjoyer who gets plenty of mileage out of tons of cards / variety, I can't fathom for competitive players how much of box opening would be useless bulk, hence the traditional "race to the bottom" box prices upon release.

I don't play Yugioh, but up until last year it seemed to be alive despite it being a dumpster fire people complained about all the time with boxes selling for $20 on release and the meta sounding like it's complete dogshit. They never bothered to make the game good and I hear if stores want prize support they have to take on piles of junk product at their expense. The fact that it didn't die years ago is a feat onto itself if the sentiment is to be believed, if it dies this year as it seems be going is not some unexpected event.

Look I don't know whether Yugioh competitve players legitimately enjoy their meta / game, or if they've been "Stockholm syndrome"d into loving it, but at the end of the day Yugioh's gotta take any passion it can get. Now, yes, the passion competitive enthusiasts have can clearly carry Yugioh through its lowest lows, as we've seen, but I don't understand how any business is willing to settle for such mediocrity, do they not want their game, IP, profits to thrive? I've heard critics call Yu-Gi-Oh!'s static, hands-off, approach akin to a "dying gacha game" which is crazy to me when for so long it was one of the 'Big 3' of trading card games. Yu-Gi-Oh! is quite unique in terms of ownership though, a lot of groups hold various rights to the property and it certainly overcomplicates things at times, but that still isn't a valid enough excuse for the piss poor management. Then again, interact with the typical Yu-Gi-Oh! player and you'll likely realize "brain dead" is one of the nicer insults you can throw at them.

I rarely see Yugioh tournaments here They'll list them at shops but not enough people show up so they'll turn them into other tournaments Konami should have been smart and balanced their game and made sure major tournaments have some actual prize support if they wanted to keep the game alive. LGS's will do the usual thing where they take a certain amount of the money that cam in for the tournament and put that towards a small prize pool of a couple of packs of cards hard to do that with Yugioh when not enough people show up

Yu-Gi-Oh! desperately, desperately needs alternative formats / casual enthusiasm-players. For some fucking reason (likely the "brain dead" one) an alternate format for a Yu-Gi-Oh! player is just an earlier version of the current competitve format. They also can't think / create / manifest for themselves, the company behind the game has to tell them everything they can do, play, accept. Yu-Gi-Oh! culture literally shits on individual player creativity and passion, they worship their rules and judges and parent company like Gods.

I wish I was a Magic player homies, but I'm a ride-or-die, in life AND in children's card games. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Flexo]

Yu-Gi-Oh! desperately, desperately needs alternative formats / casual enthusiasm-players. For some fucking reason (likely the "brain dead" one) an alternate format for a Yu-Gi-Oh! player is just an earlier version of the current competitve format.

Well how do you expect that to happen when losing a game gets you sent to the shadow realm?

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Yu-Gi-Oh! desperately, desperately needs alternative formats / casual enthusiasm-players. For some fucking reason (likely the "brain dead" one) an alternate format for a Yu-Gi-Oh! player is just an earlier version of the current competitve format. They also can't think / create / manifest for themselves, the company behind the game has to tell them everything they can do, play, accept. Yu-Gi-Oh! culture literally shits on individual player creativity and passion, they worship their rules and judges and parent company like Gods.

They need Konami to actually do prize support and stop relying on stores to do everything. Any time they do an alternative format they ruin it. In terms of the game, they need developers who know what they're doing and do R&D for 1-2 years like WotC so they're not doing massive bannings with every set.

 

[escampar]

They need Konami to actually do prize support and stop relying on stores to do everything. Any time they do an alternative format they ruin it. In terms of the game, they need developers who know what they're doing and do R&D for 1-2 years like WotC so they're not doing massive bannings with every set.

This is a Magic thread so this is my last post on the matter here, but clearly:

- Competitive players do not need additional incentive to compete / play irrespective of "prize support", hence the undying tolerance of Yu-Gi-Oh! even through its darkest times. A competitive player is already as committed as you can get, why on earth continue to cater to them?

- "They need Konami" <-- That right there, that's exactly how a typical Yu-Gi-Oh! player talks. They need a company to tell them what to do, hence "God." It seems to me that Konami is just too lazy to encourage alternative formats, too beholden to competitive players / status quo hence their constant abandonment of any attempt at more casual play. Be it the Battle Packs, Speed Duel, completely ignoring Rush Duel. But there's plenty of thirst-need for casual Yugioh, regardless of what the "cult of meta" espouses. And really, it's something that should develop from within the Yu-Gi-Oh! community organically. But the competitive culture stomps all of that creative stuff out.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

There is also the issue on how Konami treats LGS's. While WotC makes too much product now, they're nowhere near as bad as Konami. The player bases major concern when it comes to Magic The Gathering is the Universes Beyond stuff as many believe it doesn't fit the franchise, forgetting what a Planeswalker is or the lore. It's not like they're printing "Must haves" anymore. Most cards feel underpowered or Commander fodder. Hell they even had Rosewater go off and do an interview back in I think October claiming only less than 10% of the player base has an issue with Universes Beyond which is lie. Looking at various forums and X it looks closer to 20% maybe a little more.

 

[Flexo]

This is a Magic thread so this is my last post on the matter here, but clearly:

I mean.... can we just rename this to general TCG communities? Is there one already? (I know there is the tabletop community thread, I'm in it, but TCGs seem just different enough.)

Seems worthwhile since I don't think there enough material purely from 1 to sustain a whole thread.

 

[escampar]

I mean.... can we just rename this to general TCG communities? Is there one already? (I know there is the tabletop community thread, I'm in it, but TCGs seem just different enough.)

Seems worthwhile since I don't think there enough material purely from 1 to sustain a whole thread.

Well, I just made this thread over on Games:

Trading Card Games: Pokémon, MTG, Yu-Gi-Oh!, etc.​

But my understanding is this thread is more about Magic's community vs. the game itself? I can appreciate the need for the distinction, and I agree that card games as a whole are niche and overlapped enough to justify throwing the community watch for all of them into this 1 thread.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

I mean.... can we just rename this to general TCG communities? Is there one already? (I know there is the tabletop community thread, I'm in it, but TCGs seem just different enough.)

Seems worthwhile since I don't think there enough material purely from 1 to sustain a whole thread.

Well this was originally for talking about the random players doing shit in the community, but that's been rather rare. Now it's mostly how much WotC is fucking with the community. So far in 2026 it's them getting rid of buy a box promos because fuck giving out free cards when they decreased the quality of the cards and getting rid of a few packs per box. I guess I could see what the Magic community is like on Bluesky. I'm sure there's a lot of idiots there. I don't even hear about thieves stealing cards anymore. Rather amazed at how quiet it's been with the player base compared to what it was like before.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Pokemon takes the same effort to steal and is worth way more.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Pokemon takes the same effort to steal and is worth way more.

Back when there were news reports on cards being stolen they were worth more. Last time I'd ever hear about thieves stealing cards or committing fraud for them was 2018, after that it died off. You'd think they'd get more news about that last year with the Final Fantasy set as it was one of their better sets in years.


(sorry, had to edit as I was checking to see if Mald said something stupid on stream again)

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Back when there were news reports on cards being stolen they were worth more. Last time I'd ever hear about thieves stealing cards or committing fraud for them was 2018, after that it died off. You'd think they'd get more news about that last year with the Final Fantasy set as it was one of their better sets in years.


(sorry, had to edit as I was checking to see if Mald said something stupid on stream again)

It's big news in the UK Right now. Lots of card shops are being ram raided for pokemon boxes and slabbed cards.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Back when there were news reports on cards being stolen they were worth more. Last time I'd ever hear about thieves stealing cards or committing fraud for them was 2018, after that it died off. You'd think they'd get more news about that last year with the Final Fantasy set as it was one of their better sets in years.


(sorry, had to edit as I was checking to see if Mald said something stupid on stream again)

Both Pokemon and One Piece are impossible to find at MSRP. Magic is easy to get at MSRP. I don't even know where the Pokemon explosion came from. Two years ago, you could buy any Scarlet and Violet ETB for $35. Today, the cheapest ETB sells for $80, minimum.

 

[Logistical Nightmare]

Both Pokemon and One Piece are impossible to find at MSRP. Magic is easy to get at MSRP. I don't even know where the Pokemon explosion came from. Two years ago, you could buy any Scarlet and Violet ETB for $35. Today, the cheapest ETB sells for $80, minimum.

It was worse than that for Pokémon. I worked as the guy in charge of the cards at a retail store 2020-22, and that was about at the point where the scalping market hit its peak and died. Pokémon has a cycle where the product has good chase cards for a few sets, which drive the sealed product up due to scalpers, 2-3 sets that are “weak” in comparison that clean out a good bit of the scalpers who can’t handle the losses and then dump their positions of the good product to duck out, and prices stabilize for a bit. SV was one of the weaker sets since the gen was new and people weren’t sold on it yet.

Trading cards as financial market proxies sucks ass.

 

[Flexo]

Trading cards as financial market proxies sucks ass.

I dunno.... they are kind of great for teaching people valuable lessons.

 

[Logistical Nightmare]

I dunno.... they are kind of great for teaching people valuable lessons.

I’ll agree to that effect, I more meant for people who actually want to play or collect the damn things. I wouldn’t hate scalpers in general as much as I do if I hadn’t seen what they’ll do for an ETB of shining fates

 

[Thiletonomics]

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