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hog cranking frog said:
I'm chasing down some crashes and it's driving me nuts.

AMD RX6800, runs fine and quiet but the whole system locks up often when I game. If I crank the fan curve off the automatic one to something loud as fuck it doesn't crash as much. I'm talking a full system lock up, all fans go full, GPU is lost, can't ssh in crash. The GPU never says it goes over 60c when crashing. Seems low.

Any advice? This was not a problem a year ago. Is the 7.x kernel shit?
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First things first, can you REISUB? I had that problem a while ago with that exact card on Debian and once I realised I could REISUB, I knew it was a driver or kernel issue and not the actual GPU dying.

From there it's a shitshow, I think I changed my graphical frontend from the default to X11 or Xorg or vice versa and basically fucked around with the terminal until something stayed stable. It looks like a specific bug relating to the AMD drivers that straight up hasn't been fixed for several kernel revisions.
 
I installed kde on one of my OS's to try giving desktops another real chance.

So far. Honestly am not a huge fan. I'll keep using it to see if it grows on me a bit. The things of note coming from someone who has been using window managers for quite a while are:

1. this IS NOT less work than setting up a window manager in any meaningful sense. Instead of just editing a text file I'm having to navigate through a million arbitrary options in a settings app to try and get things set up, and like using one of the more maximal window managers there are a ton of little things that you need to work out that are specific to setting up this desktop. Coming from the opposite perspective of the person going to a window manager from a desktop, or windows. I feel like it's just a matter of familiarity that gives the illusion that one is somehow simpler than the other rather than it truly being the case. Because this definitely doesn't feel simpler to me.

2. I can create some of the things I like about my window manager setup. After I get that done it might feel a bit better to me. I do think it's going to be as much work if not more to get there than doing it on my own.

3. this one is a positive note. In some hard to describe way it does feel more cohesive than going through dwm, or another WM. Obviously mostly because a lot of the applications are provided as part of the DE, but even ones like firefox seem more at home like this. Now there are definitely exceptions to this. Like terminals. If you're using standalone terminals, they feel out of place, and some of the other minimal and scriptable applications I like using. Like zathura, or minimal web browsers. The window decorations don't go well with those at all. I might have to eventually set up window rules to stop kde from trying to decorate them. (which again is more work). As I said, I can't deny it does feel more complete. I'm not entirely sure that matters is the thing though. Mostly because the places my normal set up are incomplete are like that because I don't want/need it in my normal use.

All in all, so far it's fine. Like I said maybe it will grow on me over a little bit of time. I'm not sure though it's not like I was doing a lot of window manager hopping before this. I had a fairly static setup, that overall worked well for me, and still is.
 
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Jesus Swept said:
I'm sorry but I installed Quickshell and vibe coded my own custom UI. I'm not just a ricer, but allah forgive me, a slop ricer.
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Your penance is to wholly rice out an Openbox session entirely by hand. Slop ricers can find redemption through learning Openbox XML the long way, as all our forebears once did.
 
Dread First said:
Bro, Wayland fucking SUCKS with dual monitors. It's more like "If you have a single 4K monitor with HDR, it works. Otherwise, use at your own risk but also if you complain about anything out of scope, we'll NOTABUG/WONTFIX your complaint and also shame you like the smug, condescending pieces of shit we are."
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Ummm sweaty, our team are all stunning and brave tranx women who all use laptops because they/them have insecure access to housing and need a laptop because they never know where their next bed is gonna be. If you can afford a duel monitor setup you’re probably a hecking a chuddy.
 
I was thinking about doing is trying to make a tutorial on how to make configuring dwm easy. Or at least one that goes though it in a way I think takes out most of the perceived difficulty. Not so much on patching it. There are a million guides on that. I think trying to put a million patches on top of it is where people tend to go wrong with it in the first place. Ideally I think the way to use it is to add a couple patches depending on how you want to use it that you really need. Then the rest should be done by configuring it from there. The amount of work to make it usable, and in my opinion quite good is actually a lot less than people make it seem like. So maybe I'll work on doing that over the next day or two.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
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If you were using it the intended way, it would be just one command to install, and you'd be basically done. Since you've arbitrarily chosen to make it complicated, complications are what you've got.

It is true that, instead of having to scroll through and search for specific settings in a single large file, you have use a settings app instead that presents those settings to you in a visually appealing way. If you dislike that, you can still edit the many different KDE config files manually.
 
Curry Teafag said:
If you were using it the intended way, it would be just one command to install, and you'd be basically done.
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when I installed it it didn't have even the most basic things set up, like window switching, virtual desktops and it obviously didn't have keybinds for moving to them, it used the same shitty function key keybinds every DE uses. Not that those are the only things that I needed to change.

And how would editing all the KDE desktop related config files make what I said better? On something like kde where they have no intention of people configuring directly through those it just ends up making it a million times worse. The only thing those are intended for based on the priority they give documenting those is copying them and moving them into another install so you get your configuration without having to go through all the bullshit of setting things up again, like most desktops.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
window switching, virtual desktops and it obviously didn't have keybinds for moving to them
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Window switching is done via Alt+Tab, and the rest with the help of the Windows key, called Super on KDE. You can press down Super and the left mouse button to move a window, or use Super with the cursor and page up/down keys.

It's very basic and intuitive, unlike some geekier WMs with their retarded key combos no normal person would ever come up with in the first place.
 
Curry Teafag said:
Window switching is done via Alt+Tab,
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it wasn't set up out of the box. alt-tab did nothing. And this isn't the first install I've used of KDE where that was the case. I had to manually go in and add that in myself.

and like I said. it didn't have virtual desktops set up either. So I had to enable those, then set up keys to actually use them.

I also quick tiling wasn't set up with any keybinds.
Curry Teafag said:
and the rest with the help of the Windows key, called Super on KDE. You can press down Super and the left mouse button to move a window
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just like every window manager ever. It's just clunkier because it will sometimes only pick one side to change sizes of with super+rightmouse unlike window manager that will always let you change width and height when pressing super+rightmouse anywhere on the window.

Why do you care about KDE defaults enough to die on this hill? Such a retarded thing to get offended about.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
it wasn't set up out of the box. alt-tab did nothing. And this isn't the first install I've used of KDE where that was the case. I had to manually go in and add that in myself.

and like I said. it didn't have virtual desktops set up either. So I had to enable those, then set up keys to actually use them.

I also quick tiling wasn't set up with any keybinds.
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Sounds like you only installed one component, not the full DE. In any case, it seems to be a massive you problem.
 
Curry Teafag said:
Sounds like you only installed one component, not the full DE. In any case, it seems to be a massive you problem.
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do you know what a metapackage is?

and it's a problem that I didn't install it and automatically think it's god's gift to personal computing?

Gnome is actually better out of the box than kde even. I would have done this with gnome if it wasn't completely broken on freebsd.
 
Maybe it’s a shit metapackage?

Generally I just run a distro that has it installed by default as they offend do all the little tweaks to make it work right.

For gods sake don’t use Gnome. Maybe try Cinnamon?
 
Betonhaus said:
Maybe it’s a shit metapackage?

Generally I just run a distro that has it installed by default as they offend do all the little tweaks to make it work right.
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It could be. But it doesn't seem like it to me. All that would do is not include all of the metric fuckton of kde apps it includes normally. And it did come with those. It just didn't have these things set up out of the box. It doesn't seem like a problem with the package.

And it honestly wasn't a problem. It just made @Curry Teafag leak because I said I needed to do set up on this. I just did the set up. put that in my comment about it, and I was going to update later on how things were going.

Betonhaus said:
For gods sake don’t use Gnome. Maybe try Cinnamon?
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cinnamon is also better out of the box.

But I didn't know it was sacrilege to open kde's massive cluttered settings application. If I had know it was such a huge deal I might have just gone with that.

hog cranking frog said:
It sounds like a strangely bad package. Like its missing something.
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what would it even be missing? I have a feeling linux distros just do some manual configuration on KDE with what they ship to add defaults that otherwise might not be there. I want to say gentoo was the other thing I used KDE on. Mostly in the GUI liveISO. And I want to say it also didn't set up alt-tab within that. But I think it did have virtual desktops.
 
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