The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

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Trust me guys it's well-documented and it really happened. You're just a plain retard if you dare to think otherwise. Confessions under torture and Goebbels saying 'liquidation' once is enough proof. Also my grand-dad saw some hungry people so there.
 
I have to assume that it's true because it's in the history books, as are the 50 million who died of COVID-19, which absolutely didn't come from China as some bigots theorized but instead was a racism-weapon unleashed by Trump, and 9/11 which unfortunately led to people being bigoted against Muslims and accusing the government of trying to profit from war. It's unfortunate, but we have to eat bugs and live in pods so these things never happen again.
 
RichardMongler said:
So Myles Power has finally issued a response to TRS's yearlong dedication to Holocaust denial:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=v4ckJnFLYPM
While I don't quarrel with the substance of the video, the forced chuckles, self-congratulatory tone and cheap insults severely distract from the core message which only serves to hurt his case, facts notwithstanding. The comments section is also completely unbearable.
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He's right about Enoch associating with idiots though. When even your debunkers feel the need to point out that you have some interesting takes that are wasted on the retards you're sharing them with, it's worth reflecting on.

Incidentally I read a great book recently by David Stahel 'Operatiotn Typhoon' about the battle of Moscow in 1941. Which without outright stating it, implies Hitler realised the war was lost in 1941. He bases this in part on conversations Hitler had with Fritz Todt who made it clear the Germans couldn't sustain the Army in russia beyond 3 months, and the fact that Hitler actually had a fairly decent grasp on the economic as well as military aspects of what would later be called the resource war.

In one passage Stahel goes into detail about how German soldiers were going down to Frostbite and often just freezing to death. So some Reich ministry set up an operation in Riga where Jews in the Ghetto would manufacture and recycle winter clothes for troops.

It was ideal because the rail and roads from Germany and Poland were completely overwhelmed, so essentially this was going to be an in theatre solution to a problem which was killing hundreds and incapacitating thousands of Wehrmach soldiers.

However the same road and rail network that made Riga an ideal manufacturing location, also allowed easy access to one of the Einzatgruppe, who turned up and murdered the entire workforce along with their families in the space of a couple of days.
 
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If you scroll down this page, you'll see everyone citing Styx as a Holocaust denier, but in the video they posted, he only posits that the Holocaust didn't happen the way as typically prescribed, as in the showers were just used as showers and there was an actual, dedicated gas chamber at Auschwitz, and all the people vehemently defending the stance he's a holocaust denier made me wonder if there aren't embellished details of the Holocaust that are disputable.

I once asked if there were German documents detailing the events of the Holocaust but nobody got back on me on that. I asked @AnOminous because I swore he posted German documents before but he never got back to me either.
 
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:

If you scroll down this page, you'll see everyone citing Styx as a Holocaust denier, but in the video they posted, he only posits that the Holocaust didn't happen the way as typically prescribed, as in the showers were just used as showers and there was an actual, dedicated gas chamber at Auschwitz, and all the people vehemently defending the stance he's a holocaust denier made me wonder if there aren't embellished details of the Holocaust that are disputable.

I once asked if there were German documents detailing the events of the Holocaust but nobody got back on me on that. I asked @AnOminous because I swore he posted German documents before but he never got back to me either.
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That's how it always goes. If you take issue with a single thing, you are a denier. There are whole conferences of "jewish mineral claims against germany" and these require not a single person to challenge a single part of a history that has nonetheless been continually revised due to the incontrovertible evidence of some of the "deniers".
 
Lemmingwise said:
That's how it always goes. If you take issue with a single thing, you are a denier. There are whole conferences of "jewish mineral claims against germany" and these require not a single person to challenge a single part of a history that has nonetheless been continually revised due to the incontrovertible evidence of some of the "deniers".
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Considering there's so much to gain out of leveraging the Holocaust, I really don't know who to trust for details.
 
The Holocaust happened, Nazis tried to eliminate Jews, Communists, Union members, Slavs, Romani, Republicans, LGB people, Soviet citizens etc. They slaughtered millions and millions of people through mass industrial slaughter. Even if you don't believe the numbers, Numbers don't really matter in the end. They did it, their goal was to completely eradicate these groups from the face of the earth and they tried as hardest as they could, men, women, children were murdered enmass in cold blooded slaughter.

Now the only thing I have a problem with, which is the exactly the same as Based Finklestein, is the "holocaust industry" and how the Holocaust is used to blackmail Western nations into supporting Israel and the Jewish community above all others minority groups and cover Israel's war-crimes and Nuclear proliferation. Also along with Finklestien, I find the way the Holocaust is exploited, to frankly be insulting to victims of the Holocaust especially when Israeli shows like Eretz Nehederet will openly make fun of the fact that a lot of the guilt tripping used against Westerners is done in bad faith to further Israeli interests.

I also find a lot of the arguments used by Holocaust industry types disingenuously. You can't compare what say, Israel is doing to the Nazis, because that's "Antisemitism", but then it's perfectly fine to compare Putin and Russia to Hitler? When technically Soviets/Russians were slaughtered in even higher numbers and were direct victims of the camps as well? How does that work?
 
My 2¢ is that the Holocaust did happen, mainly because:
1) it's impossible to carry out a conspiracy on that grand a scale and pay tens of millions of people to claim to be Holocaust survivors or death camp guards without someone coming out and exposing it.
2) six million Jews don't just magically vanish into thin air.
 
Donker said:
I also find a lot of the arguments used by Holocaust industry types disingenuously. You can't compare what say, Israel is doing to the Nazis, because that's "Antisemitism", but then it's perfectly fine to compare Putin and Russia to Hitler? When technically Soviets/Russians were slaughtered in even higher numbers and were direct victims of the camps as well? How does that work?
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Indeed and we didn't include the Soviets/Russians who was killed during Stalin purges. But Stalin menaged to be on the right side of history.

Btw, that clip from the Montel Williams Show where a black man talk saying the Holocaust is a big business and said then jews was involved in slavery is still on Youtube. I wonder if he's still alive?
 
The main issues with the mainstream Holocaust narrative center around practicality. The motive for a Holoaust-tier event can be found in the action committed by the largely Jewish ruling class of the Weimar Republic (think "and then, for no reason at all..."), but this motive hits a brick wall when confronted with the love of efficiency found within the Third Reich. Getting rid of undesirables via putting them in labor camps and letting them either die or become the lowest caste is far superior to the impractical mass murder often accepted as fact. Even factoring in Hitler's sharp mental decline in 1945 and assuming he suddenly started ordering extermination, officers below him often ignored nonsensical orders and even if they wanted to kill the prisoners, 6-23 million, even at that lowest mainstream estimate, is completely infeasible for such a small time period. The emaciated conditions of those liberated from the camps can be attributed to bombed-out supply lines and factories, as what little left was re-routed to the immediate far more important armed forces. Like it or not, ethnic Jews have been in a privileged position since the rise of the Rothschild banking empire in the middle ages. And anything to keep them in that position while simultaneously making them look like victims will be utilized. Of course, being Jewish doesn't make you a narcissistic asshole. Growing up in the culture, sadly, does. And it's incredibly difficult to resist
 
LargeChoonger said:
The main issues with the mainstream Holocaust narrative center around practicality. The motive for a Holoaust-tier event can be found in the action committed by the largely Jewish ruling class of the Weimar Republic (think "and then, for no reason at all..."), but this motive hits a brick wall when confronted with the love of efficiency found within the Third Reich. Getting rid of undesirables via putting them in labor camps and letting them either die or become the lowest caste is far superior to the impractical mass murder often accepted as fact. Even factoring in Hitler's sharp mental decline in 1945 and assuming he suddenly started ordering extermination, officers below him often ignored nonsensical orders and even if they wanted to kill the prisoners, 6-23 million, even at that lowest mainstream estimate, is completely infeasible for such a small time period. The emaciated conditions of those liberated from the camps can be attributed to bombed-out supply lines and factories, as what little left was re-routed to the immediate far more important armed forces. Like it or not, ethnic Jews have been in a privileged position since the rise of the Rothschild banking empire in the middle ages. And anything to keep them in that position while simultaneously making them look like victims will be utilized. Of course, being Jewish doesn't make you a narcissistic asshole. Growing up in the culture, sadly, does. And it's incredibly difficult to resist
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Camps killed only half of the Jewish population, about 3 million. Einsatzgruppen kill about 1 million and the rest from disease, malnutrition, or other causes of death. All of this around the same 4 year time period. So death camps are massively efficient, especially because of few resources required. You kill off the old, young, and sick, get the healthy to bury/burn the dead, and only need to give them a tiny portion of food. You also don't waste the bullets and manpower of the einsatzgruppen or any mental trauma that comes from directly killing people.
 
Donker said:
The Holocaust happened, Nazis tried to eliminate Jews, Communists, Union members, Slavs, Romani, Republicans, LGB people, Soviet citizens etc. They slaughtered millions and millions of people through mass industrial slaughter. Even if you don't believe the numbers, Numbers don't really matter in the end. They did it, their goal was to completely eradicate these groups from the face of the earth and they tried as hardest as they could, men, women, children were murdered enmass in cold blooded slaughter.

Now the only thing I have a problem with, which is the exactly the same as Based Finklestein, is the "holocaust industry" and how the Holocaust is used to blackmail Western nations into supporting Israel and the Jewish community above all others minority groups and cover Israel's war-crimes and Nuclear proliferation. Also along with Finklestien, I find the way the Holocaust is exploited, to frankly be insulting to victims of the Holocaust especially when Israeli shows like Eretz Nehederet will openly make fun of the fact that a lot of the guilt tripping used against Westerners is done in bad faith to further Israeli interests.

I also find a lot of the arguments used by Holocaust industry types disingenuously. You can't compare what say, Israel is doing to the Nazis, because that's "Antisemitism", but then it's perfectly fine to compare Putin and Russia to Hitler? When technically Soviets/Russians were slaughtered in even higher numbers and were direct victims of the camps as well? How does that work?
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Funny thing is, Norman Finkelstein has given credit where it's due to David Irving for his work:
Well, David Irving was a very good historian, I don’t care what Richard Evans says, he was a very good historian. He produced works which are substantive, and I happened to have read the Goebbels Diary, his book on Goebbels. He had stolen the plates...of the diaries and wrote a book on it. And I thought the book was, frankly, mediocre. It certainly shouldn't have been published, but there's about 1000 mediocre books published each month versus 1 good book, so it falls in the category of mediocre. Okay, not a big deal. I don't see why one would want to stop the publication of it. It doesn't register with me. If you don't like it, don't read it. And in the case of Irving, he knew a thing or two. Actually, he knew a thing or two or three. He is competent so far as I can tell.
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Irvings earlier work on churchill is considered pretty good, instructively people were quite comfortable when he shit on the allies and churchill which makes sense since the allies did morally dubious things and commie lecturers were lining up to bad mouth churchill. But he got absolutly fucked into the dirt when he tried proving his hokey beliefs in court. He's weirdly simular to a lot of the more superficially intelligent lolcows in that he's fairly intelligent in theory but he's wasted it on a bad idea.
Personally I'd have gone with phatnom time because nobody would be upset and it would be really funny if it entered public discourse.
 
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Imperial Citizen said:
Camps killed only half of the Jewish population, about 3 million. Einsatzgruppen kill about 1 million and the rest from disease, malnutrition, or other causes of death. All of this around the same 4 year time period. So death camps are massively efficient, especially because of few resources required. You kill off the old, young, and sick, get the healthy to bury/burn the dead, and only need to give them a tiny portion of food. You also don't waste the bullets and manpower of the einsatzgruppen or any mental trauma that comes from directly killing people.
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I still cry every night for Anne Frank, who was lucky enough to have a hiding spot, unlucky enough to be found and sent to a deathcamp, lucky enough to be put into a hospital when she was sick, then unlucky enough to die to Typhus, then lucky enough to leave a legacy with her diary, but then unlucky enough that it was written with the ink of a pen that didn't exist until years after her death, but then lucky enough that nobody cared and she's remembered with honor anyways.

It's such a holocoaster of a story.
 
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