The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

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I always learned about the Holocaust in the early years of high school. It kinda confused me why we talked about it so much for so long, since there was other large scale genocides that I thought were infinitely more interesting, such as what happened back in Cambodia many decades ago. I also see a lot of people who denied it ever happening but I’ve never been given evidence for it. Anyone got some quick bullet notes on it with genuine proof? Thanks.
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Ihavetinyweewee said:
A couple of things, but obviously he didn't elaborate in great detail.

But, he was an officer and had to file observations in his reports...

Stuff that sticks out: they ran out of nerve gas at some point. They needed to save ammunition. So, the German's were sliting people's throats(if feeling generous).

If not, they would mildly incapacitate them and burn them alive. They saw evidence of this because their was a drugged group, on deck..

Medical experiments from what I understand included children enducing head trauma, so they could study it better...

Also, I'm not understanding your hypothetical. Japan had no ability to conquer and occupy the United States. Nor was that ever their intent...

Even though their Navy was very good, their army was piss poor..

I don't know how to quantify the difference between a fantastical Japanese occupation and Nazi concentration camps ..

I guess we could compare the Nanking massacre?
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thats sad and shit but could you not type like a fucking redditor.
 
it should be noted that Holocaust is a very old word used for a Jewish sacrifice burned at an alter. I had no idea it had meaning before WW2.
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I'm not saying I believe this stuff just some of what I've come across in my search for knowledge.

 

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It definitely happened, but the western allies exaggerated the death count after the war to aid de-nazificstion. They probably would have killed everyone in the camps eventually if the war went on long enough or the axis won, bat I think the prime purpose was getting as much labor out of everyone they deemed useful as possible
 
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Sligtly off-topic but I saw a interesting detail at https://theculturetrip.com/europe/united-kingdom/articles/the-ten-most-controversial-museums/ about some controversy of the Canadian museum for human rights.
The Canadian Museum for Human Rights has only been open since 2008 but has already clocked up an impressive record of controversy. For a start it was built in Winnipeg on an aboriginal burial ground leading to criticism from archaeologists. Then there has been a long-running and unseemly issue over which group gets to receive the most museum space dedicated to their suffering. After plans for a Holocaust gallery were announced in 2010, the Canadian-Ukrainian community reacted strongly about the Museum failing to recognize the level of suffering in the Holodomor Genocide under Stalin and privileging the Holocaust. There have been issues too about the lack of focus on the Palestinian plight. Somehow, the Museum will never win.
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Is it my imagination but some don't want the Holocaust sharing the same pedestal with the other massacres/genocides? :thinking: Yes, the Holocaust happened but the Holodomor and Armenian genocide as well.
 
So Myles Power has finally issued a response to TRS's yearlong dedication to Holocaust denial:

While I don't quarrel with the substance of the video, the forced chuckles, self-congratulatory tone and cheap insults severely distract from the core message which only serves to hurt his case, facts notwithstanding. The comments section is also completely unbearable.
 
Despite me joking about it, I think it happened.

There just wasn't 6 million of them that died. Because if 6 million of them died, wouldn't there be way fewer Jews than there are? Not only that the newspapers mentioning the SIX GORILLION.
 
Meat Target said:
I know I'm late to this thread, but


As far as survivors whose stories turn out to be Smollett-jobs: that's to be expected. People tell tall tales about major historical events all the time. It's not much different than, say, a "Marine veteran" who claims to have killed fitty men when he really spent his "service" scrubbing the heads at Parris Island.
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Back at you with the late thing. But I'm hoping you're keenly aware that with each generation and its corresponding war there is a major paradigm shift. The largest majority of the men coming home from WWII didn't discuss their service at all. I know it was an analogy, but my point is that memory crashing, aside, which is what you are referring to, someone taking a traumatic memory from a young age and subconsciously exaggerating it, those soldiers did the opposite. They came home, drank everyday, and tired to bottle up their feelings while they went to work and created dysfunctional families and came home with fake smiles. However, a lot of them were informed by Dwight D., if you were privileged enough to have had a camera upon arrival at Dachau or Auschwitz post The Red Army, take pics and spread them. My grandfather was there with his best friend and this guy had a camera. My grandfather never busted out those photos, but after his death, my grandmother did. They were real. A lot of near dead people, and a lot of corpses covered in what was possibly lye.

My grandfather was a bigot and anti-Semite. He was a draftee and just went to do a job. He only talked about it to me once. I didn't have to learn about it in a classroom. I don't care about inflated numbers, because 100 is too many to be killed for ideas. I'm a libertarian, and those killed in the camps weren't killed in a war like manner. I even believe that deniers have the right to speak, write and assemble the way they wish. The people I don't understand are those who believe the entire thing is a hoax. Propaganda existed because the Internet didn't. Television wasn't yet in most homes. It was an effective way to market the war. I can see both sides of the frustration, but to think that the entire thing was a hoax is simple ignorance to me, or it is someone who had a very unfortunate family life with zero connection to their great-grandparents or grandparents.
 
In an earlier post, I mentionned then some didn't wanted then the Holocaust share the same pedestal as the Armenian Genocide and the Holodomor and that article from 2018 where an ex-mayor of the Labour party in the UK got some flak because he posted a comparo of the Holocaust with the massacre of africans done by King Leopold II of Belgium. https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/robin...ost-jews-holocaust-hitler-anne-frank-1.478062

A former Labour mayor has been accused of antisemitism after he suggested the Holocaust receives disproportionate prominence in schools.

The post showed an image of Hitler, captioned with the words “Killed six million Jews”, alongside photos of Cecil Rhodes and Leopold II of Belgium, who the graphic claimed were responsible for 60 million and 15 million deaths, respectively.

Underneath the image a caption read: “Hitler killed 6 million Jews and these other two serial killers killed 70 million Africans combined but your school education system only tells you about Anne Frank and the 6 million Zionists that were killed by Hitler.

“Black lives never mattered since the slave ship.”

On Thursday, PoliticsHome reported that Robin Turner, who served as a Labour councillor in Derby for 29 years, shared the post on December 27, after it had been originally published by another Facebook account.
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Then, this other thread about if Jews are white, make me wonder, how come it's antisemitism if an Ashkenazi Jew isn't a semite? :thinking:
 
SloberrinJ said:
I don't care about inflated numbers, because 100 is too many to be killed for ideas.
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Your position, judging from your entire post, is quite possibly the closest to mine. Yet, I find this statement absolutely baffling.

I mean, one person killed is too many, but the numbers matter, because in the grand comparisons it does matter if a country is responsible for killing 10 people or 1 million people. Both are bad, but one is a magnitude worse than the other,a quantifiable magnitude.

I'm also surprised that you seem more appalled by being killed for ideas than for ethnicity. At least one can choose what ideas they'll serve, unlike ethnicity.

Could you explain your motivation for these positions (one which I admittedly derived and may not be accurate)?
 
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Has anyone here read Germar Rudolf's The Chemistry of Auschwitz? That's the book the TRS guys use as their foundation, and - as someone who has read it - I'm starting to really question the gas chamber narrative.
 

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NGGYU said:
Has anyone here read Germar Rudolf's The Chemistry of Auschwitz? That's the book the TRS guys use as their foundation, and - as someone who has read it - I'm starting to really question the gas chamber narrative.
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Yes. I find his story one of the more telling, where it shows that initially neutral people look at something, make their assessment and get villified for ages over it. Not unlike what you see happening in some parts of this thread, incidently.
 
Honestly at this point I don't even care if it happened or not. (((They))) are just the fucking worst. If it did happen then it was probably a needed evil, and if it didn't then they're just that much worse for lying,
 
I joke about it but the holocaust was evil. However, both sides in history have a point and it's invariably the winners that repress them. So long as both sides never feel like they have a say and one of them is misrepresented, loser or winner, there'll always be conflict.
 
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