The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

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Cardenio said:
Holocaust ended in 1945, according to Wikipedia there was 3.5 Million survivors. Are you really bothered that the last survivors who are now in their late 70s and older are getting money for what happened to them and their families?
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at least 75 years later, and still rattling that kike cup for a few grand. It's sickening.
 
littlearmalite said:
I believe that the Holocaust happened almost entirely as it's been reported, with a few minor snafus people leave out (the initial deportations and ghettoes being more widespread than gas chambers and death camps). This is from my own independent research, occasionally contributed to by, again, people coming to me or sharing information in the spirit of good faith.

We don't know, much for the same reasons we can't be sure about the Holocaust. Like it or not, there is a vested interest for some parties- read: the state of Israel- in the Holocaust narrative remaining unchanged, because Mossad committed literal terrorist action on foreign soil against stateless persons. The same applies to a lot of the Communist massacres and pogroms in history: while I personally believe that they've happened mostly as written, I'm open to hearing different entirely because America, as a nation, has been up until recently vehemently anti-communist, with a vested interest in portraying communist nations as being as terrible as possible, whether that's the official story or not.

The Armenian Genocide is an entire different bag of worms, though. We all have accounts on how it went down and it seems like Turkey is the only person who refuses to even consider the option that it did, for obvious reasons. IDK why no one questions that one, but again, it's one of those situations where if information came out that contradicted the narrative, it would at least merit discussion.

The simple fact is that it is almost impossible to get an entirely unbiased source on any of these genocides, as most organizations involved in reporting and investigation have an agenda. I cannot claim that the discrepancies between the Holomodor and the Holocaust are alike, or one is larger than the other. Unreliable narrators are a dime a dozen in history. I can only note that there are reasons for these discrepancies to exist, and people who benefit from them existing,

TLDR version: I don't have a problem with people questioning the holocaust on principle, it's just the way they go about it, the rhetoric they use, and their complete and utter lack of self-awareness when some of them go on about 'death toll of communism' makes them look like a bunch of SS larpers.
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I'm still curious what your thoughts are about why this subject is different in western european countries, that it is illegal to question elements of it, even if at the same time, the official story has been amended numerous times, including the removal of making soap out of people and such.

Like why does free speech, a great and dear virtue, something you agree should apply, does not apply?
 
Lemmingwise said:
I'm still curious what your thoughts are about why this subject is different in western european countries, that it is illegal to question elements of it, even if at the same time, the official story has been amended numerous times, including the removal of making soap out of people and such.

Like why does free speech, a great and dear virtue, something you agree should apply, does not apply?
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I can't tell you. I don't buy into the (((conspiracy))). My personal belief is that Europe got turbofucked so hard by the Reich back in the late 30s and first couple of years of WW2 that they're still hyper-terrified of a resurgence.
 
littlearmalite said:
I can't tell you. I don't buy into the (((conspiracy))). My personal belief is that Europe got turbofucked so hard by the Reich back in the late 30s and first couple of years of WW2 that they're still hyper-terrified of a resurgence.
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A large chunk of the conspiracy is that Hitler simply had a irrational hate boner for the Jews and handled them accordingly, this is what has been taught in most schools across America. What hasn't been taught is the politics, events, and civil wars that occurred before the rise of the Nazi party. In a way, the people constantly rewriting and twisting what actually happened through omission or fabrication are ensuring it will happen again in the near future.

This above quote btw, would land me jail time in much of Europe because I challeneged the narrative of Hitler's irrational fear, even though the real reasons for his anger are actually in the unaltered version of his book.
 
potato in mah painus said:
are ensuring it will happen again in the near future
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The bad, fictional version of events, possibly. Not the good and true version of events, sadly. Those ideas have been utterly killed to the point that even the most basic tenets of national socialism cannot be adopted without massive backlash.

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@NeoGAF Lurker and @Ash Gassem, thought you'd both like to look at this. This bit of pasta partially explains why the guys at TheRightStuff have been dedicating podcast after podcast to Holocaust denial:
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The holohoax has been at the very center of the post-WW2 psyop that was pulled on the West to trick white goyim into hating their own race and to be OK with the push for a border-less, race-less slave planet.

Holohoax psyop = white people bad/borders bad/nationalism bad + race mixing good/mass immigration good/globalism good

What is a foundation myth?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_myth

It fulfills three functions.

1) It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).

2) It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).

3) It determines what is held sacred in that society.

For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

1) We live in the ‘Post-War World’. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

2) "Ultimate evil" is Nazis. "Ultimate good" is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

3) The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the "personification of evil", holds the center point of the WWII story.

Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

**Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned**

This is by jew design.
Apparently, a skeptic named Myles Power has issued a response to the guys at TRS (a) after they dedicated a few segments of their show to him.
 
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RichardMongler said:
@NeoGAF Lurker and @Ash Gassem, thought you'd both like to look at this. This bit of pasta partially explains why the guys at TheRightStuff have been dedicating podcast after podcast to Holocaust denial:
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The holohoax has been at the very center of the post-WW2 psyop that was pulled on the West to trick white goyim into hating their own race and to be OK with the push for a border-less, race-less slave planet.

Holohoax psyop = white people bad/borders bad/nationalism bad + race mixing good/mass immigration good/globalism good

What is a foundation myth?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_myth

It fulfills three functions.

1) It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).

2) It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).

3) It determines what is held sacred in that society.

For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

1) We live in the ‘Post-War World’. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

2) "Ultimate evil" is Nazis. "Ultimate good" is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

3) The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the "personification of evil", holds the center point of the WWII story.

Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

**Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned**

This is by jew design.
Apparently, a skeptic named Myles Power has issued a response to the guys at TRS (a) after they dedicated a few segments of their show to him.
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I don't really buy the foundation myth as anymore than an interesting way of looking at it; but I don't have time to write my rebuttal just now.

What is interesting is that it's one of the two things that muslim kids in the Netherlands (and probably across europe) are rejecting at school. The holocaust and lgbtq / gay acceptance. They're just completely rejected. Sometimes politely, sometimes less politely. It's one of the two things that are pointed to most often as sign of non-integration. So perhaps there's more to the idea of the foundation myth.

The US' foundation myth seems to be 9/11 to be honest.
 
Forgetful Gynn said:
If that was true, antifa would be shouting "MUSLIM" at people instead of "NAZI".
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It makes as much sense defining the center of culture around spencer type alt right screaming jew as the miniscule percentage that is antifa
 
Forgetful Gynn said:
How do you mean?
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The claim of the foundation myth is that the center of a culture is defined by it. You seem to point to antifa shouting at their perceived enemy to be a sign that it's central to our culture(s). Yet to many, both holocaust and 2nd world war is a subject that many rarely give a thought at all.

Antifa shouts nazi. Feminists shout patriarchy. Different groups, different boogeymen.
 
Lemmingwise said:
Yet to many, both holocaust and 2nd world war is a subject that many rarely give a thought at all.
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Well it's not really accurate to say that it's rarely given a thought when these kids had holocaust classes for most of high school, since it's a mandatory class in 15 states and very common in the others, not to mention the absolute fuckload of ww2 movies and tv shows and cultural references.

Why do they shout nazi and not something else? If 9/11 was the foundation myth, then muslims would widely be considered absolute evil, when people are vehemently discouraged from discriminating against them at all. Youtube would delete anything that glorified islam or made it seem like 9/11 wasn't so bad, etc etc.
 
Forgetful Gynn said:
Youtube would delete anything that glorified islam or made it seem like 9/11 wasn't so bad, etc etc.
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Youtube does as much work to hide 9/11 truthers as it does to hide holocaust revisionism.

In fact, when they pioneered placing wikipedia/encyclopedia brittanica under certain search terms/video titles, I dod my best to discover each term that had such an "official narrative", and both 9/11 and the holocaust had such a CTR type message. (I saved screenshots, but the other topics I remember were climate change, moonlanding, obama, seth rich, jewish, rothschild)
 
Lemmingwise said:
Youtube does as much work to hide 9/11 truthers as it does to hide holocaust revisionism.

In fact, when they pioneered placing wikipedia/encyclopedia brittanica under certain search terms/video titles, I dod my best to discover each term that had such an "official narrative", and both 9/11 and the holocaust had such a CTR type message. (I saved screenshots, but the other topics I remember were climate change, moonlanding, obama, seth rich, jewish, rothschild)
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I won't argue that there aren't a lot of obvious similarities, but WW2 has a lot more impact culturally throughout all of western civilization.
 
Sammich said:
I believe it happened, but i think the numbers aren't accurate. At the end of the day, tons of folks got killed. Jews being jews they are gonna capitalize on that until the end of time. Don't over 5 million jews get some sort of reparations to this fucking day?

After doing research on what was going on at the time, you can understand why they were treated like they were.. I'm not one to moral fag and claim if it was right or wrong, but it's fucked to claim you don't know why it happened. Hitler was far from the "most evil man to ever live", and it does a real disservice to claim he was.
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I mean the numbers wouldn't be completely accurate because gays, Jehovah's Witnesses, political prisoners, gypsies, handicapped people, and so on were also put in the camps, but they get talked about less, so yes, there's truth to that. I wish the other victims in that time would get talked about more. I'm pretty sure Jewish people were the only ones to get reparations although there were other victims. I once read that some of the gay people in the camps tried to get reparations but got denied.
One thing that DEFINITELY doesn't get talked about in that history was that Jewish people in the camps treated all the gay people in the camps badly, which is something I bet most of them wouldn't admit. Another thing they won't admit is that Nazis were kind of harsher and stricter to them as well.
 
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