Is that supposed to excuse what happened to the "genetically inferior" peoples or something? Because I can tell you that in the colonial period the British and the French were much more brutal than the Germans, but whether or not that's because the Germans had little territory outside of Europe compared to those two I don't know.
Really, because I thought we were talking about National Socialist Germany and such actions they took as murdering the mentally ill, undesireable persons, and sending ethnic groups of people that they considered inferior to be worked to death in labor camps.
Yeah isn't it weird how the nazis did all the things the allies did but nobody ever hears about? It's like the pedophile who pretends to hate pedophiles.
That doesn't absolve the National Socialists from guilt, you know. And the difference is that we all know about it today, and the American/British eugenicists were very publicly talking about it then. The National Socialists wanted to keep much of it as quiet as possible, and were still doing it as late as April 1945 in the case of Aktion T4, and the SS were very gung ho about still killing as many in the KZs as possible even while the Soviet were invading.
Is that really different? Do you think subsequent German leadership never take a path of contrition and apology for what happened during the second world war?
It makes it harder to believe the accusations of the allies.
You mean the "bad guys" were more ashamed and less brazen about it than the "good guys"?
Yes, but they weren't war crimes because we won the war. War crimes are victor's justice, vae victis, they're not moral statements of objective fact.
The difference is that the USA is a democratic republic with much more in the way of freedom of expression than National Socialist Germany had, and is not supposed to do things like this. The mass democides carried out by the National Socialists were a bad thing. Regardless of the historical reasons why the Germans snapped and decided "ok fuck you Jews, go die", that doesn't mean it was a good thing to do or have done. The KZs and the extermination thru labor concept were carried out by National Socialist Germany, and the modern German Federal Republic should apologize for that, and should be contrite over that.
Yes, and can be summarily discarded as being little more than allied propaganda to justify an inherently unjust war.
No, actually, The Black Book of Polish Jewry is an American work, backed by no less than the president's wife, Albert Einstein, and others. Why are you denying the horrible atrocities of the holocaust?
And yet, the official take very much forces a "good guys" vs "bad guys" narrative. How do you square that?
Good luck finding a society that hasn't done that. Shit, for extra difficulty, good luck finding a non-white society that doesn't do that to this day. As you said, Everyone does things for their own reasons.
No, but neither were the border incursions that started it.
That's perfectly understandable, I referenced it here.
Hey me too.
We agree again.
Here's where you can't tell fiction from reality. Or maybe I can't. Who the hell knows.
Himmler drove around and did it all himself with nothing official ever being written down or transmitted, even by enigma cipher? If they were as capable of secrecy as you're claiming, then we never would have actually found out about it, ever. Shit, you're almost demanding we believe they were capable of telepathy as some have implied.
No, but we'd be here until the sun went out counting every wrong thing man has ever done to achieve his goals.
Yeah, it made a thriving economy and civilization without usury even after being almost completely destroyed and while nearly bankrupting itself by paying jews to leave. Oh what a shock that it was destroyed by nations crippled and controlled by usury and jewry to this day.
It wasn't "thriving." The economy of the National Socialist state was predicated on fucking over small businesses (forcibly combining them into cartels), creating a quasi serfdom in which farmers were not allowed to leave their lands, and pumping fucktons of money into the munitions manufacturers to build weapons of war. The National Socialists weren't even elected into power; they had at most one third of the seats in the Reichstag, and only got that by rules lawyering and geting the (possibly senile) President Hindenberg to give Hitler extraordinary powers. Jews weren't paid to leave; on the contrary, those who could leave usually had to pay hand over fist in bribes to the local Gauleiters in order to be considered for a passport out of the country. In the mid 30s there was collaboration with Zionist labor unions, but those fizzled out after the war started and the National Socialists backed the much more explicitly anti-British Islamists in Palestine/Transjordan.
Wait, you're under the impression that since world war II German political leadership has never apologizes for the holocaust?
I said he was assassinated, likely by a foreign power outside of poland or germany that would gain from a conflict between the two.
Who found that?
You have complete copies of them? One was posted earlier in the thread, but it leads right up to where he starts to mention something about exterminating the jews but then it cuts off immediately.
Again, found by whom?
Where in the hell did you read that?
So what?
Like hell they weren't. Between November, 1933, and 31 December 1937, 77,800,000 Reichmarks, or $22,500,000, (~$392,599,166 in 2020) worth of goods were exported to Jewish businesses in Palestine under the program.By the time the program ended with the start of World War II, the total had risen to 105,000,000 marks (~$642,435,000 in 2020). Emigrants with capital of £1,000, (about $95,885 in 2020) could move to Palestine in spite of severe British restrictions on Jewish immigration under an immigrant investor program similar to the modern EB-5 visa. Under the Transfer Agreement, about 39% of an emigrant's funds were given to Jewish communal economic development projects, leaving individuals with about 43% of the funds.
No, and I don't understand how you could have gotten that from what I posted.
A US intelligence officer after the war. It made its way to the Hoover Institution. According to Wikipedia the German historian Elke Fröhlich found the microfilm in archives in the former USSR.
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I can't find an actual source on this. If it were true, then why did the contemporary accounts of Jews say that they had to pay massive bribes to get out of the country, if they could have gotten out of the country? Also, considering the effects of Kristallnacht upon the Jewish businesses, it's unlikely that they would have had such a massive amount as a thousand pounds. I've heard the canard that "there's no such thing as a poor Jew" but that's usually predicated on modern Anglo-American perceptions of Jews, not early 20th century perceptions of Jews.
No, it gives context though on how/why Germany was able to drastically go from a democracy to a dictatorship in a blink of a eye. They had the Rhineland taken from them, which is an insult in of itself and pretty much made Germany a borderline 3rd world country.
No offense to Himmler, but the guy himself was a dumbass who when he was trying to hide from the allies, used a SS stamp on his ID papers and within an hour of interrogation, admitted he was Himmler. The Nazi leadership was an combination of war heroes and dumbasses who got very lucky and were disliked by even the Wehrmacht.
