The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

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I’ve talked to people who were there on both sides
one group has a financial incentive, among others, to lie about this, the other is under legal threat of imprisonment for denying it and the extra legal threat of being murdered by the first side. if the proof was so undeniable, why were confessions at nuremburg trial extracted via torture? why were oss agents at concentraction camps getting hollywood prop builders to make fake shi like lampshades made from human skin and the presenting that as evidence at the nuremburg trial? why was the defence not allowed to make the case the holocaust did not happen at the nuremburg trial? why have none of the supposed mass grave sites ever been examined? why are some of the mass grave sites covered in concrete? where are the bodies?
 
Look at you moving the goalpost already.

What is "there"? what is the "holocaust"? Every leader of the Allies biographies didn't mention the holocaust, they were there. It didn't happen.

Only if you think jews are incapable of lying. Why deny Bigfoot exists people for thousands of years all over the world have seen him, so he must exist. Yet you don't believe.

Why deny the truth? You can't show me proof one jew was ever gassed to death and I'm supposed to believe they did it 5,999,999 more?

Yeah people tend to have stronger feelings about lied that personally affect them over ones that don't, big brain moment.

I guess I should clarify: I have talked to Jews, Nazis, Italian partisans, American WW II vets, and plenty of other people who were there and generally agree on the overall events.

I’m open to revisionism arguments, but total denial just seems silly. No one was under legal duress when I talked to them, nor were they financially benefitting in any way.

You should go learn a few other languages and talk to old people. They are often very lonely and love to talk, it’s the best way to learn other languages. Also they give zero fucks about anything anymore so they are pretty honest.

There are many, many, many other genocides which have happened, do you deny these also? Eg


I think part of the problem is people have a very whitewashed, idealistic view of humanity at the moment. Also, people these days have NO contact with their elders and let them be carted away to nursing homes rather than having tea with them and talking about shit. I feel bad because I’ve talked to so many old people and heard truly astonishing things that weren’t part of the “official” historical record.

We have let ourselves be separated from history and spoonfed propaganda because we have severed intergenerational ties. It’s really sad and I can’t help but think that it’s maybe intentional. I hope that I’ll have a nice relationship with my grandkids and talk to them about how the world went cray cray over a meme cold in the 2020s but they’ll probably learn in their history books that we were saved by our betters from a deadly plague.
 
I guess I should clarify: I have talked to Jews, Nazis, Italian partisans, American WW II vets, and plenty of other people who were there and generally agree on the overall events.
So you can't define what you are talking about? Just offering up some retarded platitudes based on nothing.
I’m open to revisionism arguments, but total denial just seems silly. No one was under legal duress when I talked to them, nor were they financially benefitting in any way.
No you aren't, infact you've already dodged my very basic questioning.
You should go learn a few other languages and talk to old people. They are often very lonely and love to talk, it’s the best way to learn other languages. Also they give zero fucks about anything anymore so they are pretty honest.
They are also old and senile and have bad memories and are easily influenced.
There are many, many, many other genocides which have happened, do you deny these also?
That's done on a case by case basis depending on evidence. It also has no bearing on the holocaust.
Not a genocide.
I think part of the problem is people have a very whitewashed, idealistic view of humanity at the moment. Also, people these days have NO contact with their elders and let them be carted away to nursing homes rather than having tea with them and talking about shit. I feel bad because I’ve talked to so many old people and heard truly astonishing things that weren’t part of the “official” historical record.
Has nothing to do with the holocaust. Everyone is an individual and should be treated as such unless they are working as part as a group.
We have let ourselves be separated from history and spoonfed propaganda because we have severed intergenerational ties. It’s really sad and I can’t help but think that it’s maybe intentional. I hope that I’ll have a nice relationship with my grandkids and talk to them about how the world went cray cray over a meme cold in the 2020s but they’ll probably learn in their history books that we were saved by our betters from a deadly plague.
Not sure why you think the Holocaust thread is the place to cry about how important old people are except as an attempt at forum sliding. Jews never send their best., or maybe they do and this is all they have to work with.
 
I've also noticed a lot of dodging going on. Selective replies.
Because I'm not engaging in discussions about Tunnel Jews? This is the Holocaust thread.

If you don't think the studies exist, look at this one. Detailed analysis of the graves, including dimension and composition. They're enormous and almost all of them contain cremains, according to the researcher.

 
So when do you start engaging with discussions about the holocaust? You've ignored plenty in the past page alone.

This is your idea of me not engaging correct?

You listed about 20 different issues you have, which is too much for me to go point by point. You should pick one, whatever you believe is most devastating to the Holocaust case, and I will show where you're making unfair assumptions.
 
What I'm denying is there is substantive evidence that they did. Why do you believe? One guy said so, so it's proven fact?
Why would deathcamps.org admit that holocaust revisionists are correct over a shitty blog full of shitty people, unless they have to? They are naturally inclined to not agree with them. So again, why so you defend someone you don't know nor associate with so heavily? What are you hiding?
So what should I do that will convince you? You want the drivers license?
Whatever you think it takes.
 
Why would deathcamps.org admit that holocaust revisionists are correct over a shitty blog full of shitty people, unless they have to?
Jealousy, mental illness? There was also a major ideological difference, where HC bloggers were committed to interacting with revisionists, and deathcamps was staunchly opposed. The other thing about it is only one person is making that accusation, Lisotto I think is his name.

Here's a question for you, if Lisotto had evidence of them forging documents, which he would need in order to make the claim in the first place, why didn't he ever present any of it?

Whatever you think it takes.
I would be self doxxing entirely for your pleasure. You also happen to be a conspiracy brained idiot so I don't want to dox myself if you're going to claim photo editing or AI or its not sufficient or whatever. So you're going to have to give me all the criteria you would need to see for it to be a believable dox. Or, and I would prefer this tbh, we find some other way of determining that I'm not Hans, Nick, Sergey, or Roberto. Or maybe you think none of them are real?
 
Jealousy, mental illness?
Like someone who would post about the holocaust brainlessly for years?
There was also a major ideological difference, where HC bloggers were committed to interacting with revisionists, and deathcamps was staunchly opposed. The other thing about it is only one person is making that accusation, Lisotto I think is his name.
So one guy made up accusations of forged documents to get back at people promoting the holocaust for daring to interact with holocaust deniers? And you call me conspiracy minded?
Here's a question for you, if Lisotto had evidence of them forging documents, which he would need in order to make the claim in the first place, why didn't he ever present any of it?
If you were pushing the holocaust lie, you wouldn't want to give your detractors any more ammunition than you have to. Admitting that people are using forged documents is more than enough.
I would be self doxxing entirely for your pleasure. You also happen to be a conspiracy brained idiot so I don't want to dox myself if you're going to claim photo editing or AI or its not sufficient or whatever.
I don't care anything about you, you are an idiot. You'd only do it to give legitimacy to yourself, but you are a known liar who keeps the company of other liars, so it's not going to help you at all.
So you're going to have to give me all the criteria you would need to see for it to be a believable dox. Or, and I would prefer this tbh, we find some other way of determining that I'm not Hans, Nick, Sergey, or Roberto. Or maybe you think none of them are real?
I don't care if they are real or not, they are all Jewish internet defense idiots pushing propaganda.
 
So one guy made up accusations of forged documents to get back at people promoting the holocaust for daring to interact with holocaust deniers? And you call me conspiracy minded?
So I looked into this and it turns out HC blog published some stuff, a way more substantiated account


I'm not wasting anymore time on your silly ass so here's the AI summary

The article describes the dissolution of a Holocaust research group called ARC (Aktion Reinhard Camps) due to internal conflicts over potentially forged documents. The author, Sergey Romanov, explains how a member named Chris Webb introduced materials from a mysterious source called "Andy" that appeared to be forgeries. When Romanov and others raised concerns about the authenticity of these documents, Webb attempted to expel them from the group rather than address the issues. This led to the breakdown of ARC and Webb starting a new group called HEART.

and

Based on the information presented in the article and comments, it appears that Sergey Romanov and his colleagues (Nick Terry and Roberto Muehlenkamp) are more likely to be in the right in this situation. Here's why:

1. Scholarly approach: Romanov demonstrated a commitment to historical accuracy by questioning the authenticity of suspicious documents, even though they seemingly supported the general narrative of Holocaust history. This shows intellectual honesty and rigorous methodology.

2. Evidence-based arguments: Romanov provided detailed explanations for why he believed certain documents were forgeries, citing inconsistencies and contradictions with established facts.

3. Transparency: The article openly discusses the internal workings of the ARC group, including potentially embarrassing details. This level of transparency lends credibility to Romanov's account.

4. Reaction to criticism: When faced with questions about the authenticity of documents, Chris Webb and his supporters appeared to react defensively, attempting to expel critics rather than address the concerns raised. This is generally not considered a proper scholarly response to legitimate questions.

5. Subsequent behavior: The comments suggest that supporters of Webb/HEART engaged in personal attacks and made false accusations against Romanov and others, which does not reflect well on their credibility or professionalism.

6. Consistency: Romanov's story and stance remain consistent throughout the article and comments, while Webb's position and actions seem to shift.

TLDR - those associated with HC blog called out the forgeries, not the other way around. Unlike HEART their arguments are substantiated. This whole affairs lends credibility to HC blog, if anything.

The HEART affiliated people tried to retcon this shit 7 years later.
 
So I looked into this and it turns out HC blog published some stuff, a way more substantiated account
Lol you've posted that exact same thing here before and pretending like you just stumbled on it.
I'm not wasting anymore time on your silly ass so here's the AI summary
Yes you will because your job is propaganda and not the truth.
TLDR - those associated with HC blog called out the forgeries, not the other way around. Unlike HEART their arguments are substantiated. This whole affairs lends credibility to HC blog, if anything.

The HEART affiliated people tried to retcon this shit 7 years later.
"Guys we investigated ourselves and we are innocent and actually THEY did it"

I like how you refuse to learn the most basic lesson of this thread, which is that documents are easily forged and misinterpreted so go directly to physical evidence over anything else.
 
Lol you've posted that exact same thing here before and pretending like you just stumbled on it.
Where? Maybe I did a few years ago but forgot because it is of no fucking importance.

"Guys we investigated ourselves and we are innocent and actually THEY did it"
It seems like HC bloggers were the first ones to bring this issue to light and Webb and co were fighting

So now your narrative is that they planted the evidence in order to make fellow Holocaust supporters look bad.

Present some evidence they were the ones who first "planted" evidence. So far, in terms of accusations, the HC blog one is earlier and far more substantive.

You didn't read any of this did you?
 
Where? Maybe I did a few years ago but forgot because it is of no fucking importance.
Yeah doing something that would get you kicked out of pretty much any job or academic field is "of no importance". I can understand why you'd feel that way, since you are directly involved.
It seems like HC bloggers were the first ones to bring this issue to light and Webb and co were fighting
I'm not giving your shitty blog traffic.
So now your narrative is that they planted the evidence in order to make fellow Holocaust supporters look bad.
No my narrative is you and everyone who pushes the holocaust are liars and have no problem telling lies or half truths to push your agenda. Which you constantly demonstrate in this very thread.
Present some evidence they were the ones who first "planted" evidence (I doubt Webb purposefully planted So far, in terms of accusations, the HC blog one is earlier and far more substantive.
Funny how you defend your blog with a ferocity you don't even give the holocaust. Whoops.
You didn't read any of this did you?
No I'm not reading your shitty blog, it's just more proof of how openly fake the holocaust is.
 
Yeah doing something that would get you kicked out of pretty much any job or academic field is "of no importance". I can understand why you'd feel that way, since you are directly involved.

I'm not giving your shitty blog traffic.

No my narrative is you and everyone who pushes the holocaust are liars and have no problem telling lies or half truths to push your agenda. Which you constantly demonstrate in this very thread.

Funny how you defend your blog with a ferocity you don't even give the holocaust. Whoops.

No I'm not reading your shitty blog, it's just more proof of how openly fake the holocaust is.
Then you aren't really arguing that HC blog forged documents. You also have no arguments it's 'my blog'. That's fine. We can move on to other topics now.
 
it's something they did.
you're just saying that though, based on an accusation from 2013. I have a much more substantive accusation from 2007, which you're not even going to read to verify that. So the argument is pretty much over at this point. You've stuck your head in the sand.
 
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