The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[potato in mah painus]

I don't know what you mean by pretrochemicals being rationed, they were clearly used for logistics, military supply, in factories. I showed in previous posts the amount needed to destroy bodies would have been a minuscule portion of total production of petrol/coal, and the process was largely complete by early 1944 when the war really turned for Germany.

This notion of Zyklon being rationed (or being a petrochemical) as well is hilarious, it was widely used for delousing, and in much higher quantities than ever assumed for killing purposes.

I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to convince yourself the mass killing of a group people you probably think deserved to be killed didn't happen.

Rationing fuels started in 1940, by the time 1944 was around the german army was half starved for fuel and ammo. The country equally starved for food and basic committees. The bulk of the holocaust happened in the last two years of the war, when rationing caused the camps to starve.
Zyklon B required petrochemcial processes and components to manufacture at the time. Considering this tied up valuable equipment for making... you know fuel... it was just as short of supply by extension.
And this was ALSO addressed earlier in the thread, the average Jewish person was lead to slaughter by their corrupt leadership hoping their communist revolutions took off. The ones that deserved their lead injections left the innocent to take it in their stead.

 

[Chugger]

by the time 1944 was around the german army was half starved for fuel

So my argument is that burning the bodies made them a minute fraction more starved, because annual fuel production absolutely dwarfed body burning requirements, as I argued previously.

Zyklon B required petrochemcial processes and components to manufacture at the time.

You can read here 729 tons were sold in 42 44 of which auschwitz received 24 tons https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B

It is obvious that there was no zyklon shortage. Even if we say all the zyklon at Auschwitz was used to kill, that's still a small fraction of the total produced.

You are talking out of your painus.

 

[potato in mah painus]

You can read here 729 tons were sold in 42 44 of which auschwitz received 24 tons https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B

>6 tons used for delousing
>The rest used for "gassing" in chambers we proved earlier in this thread were unsuitable for gassing people in huge numbers.
>Shelf life of 3 months

The blatant lies show in the details, just like in the logistics and the shortages. This shit didn't happen and you screeching oh vey in a thread for 300 pages isn't going to change that opinion. And I hope people tuning in for the first time come to the same conclusions.

 

[Chugger]

>6 tons used for delousing
>The rest used for "gassing" in chambers we proved earlier in this thread were unsuitable for gassing people in huge numbers.
>Shelf life of 3 months

The blatant lies show in the details, just like in the logistics and the shortages. This shit didn't happen and you screeching oh vey in a thread for 300 pages isn't going to change that opinion. And I hope people tuning in for the first time come to the same conclusions.

Your argument is that zyklon b was some super rare and valuable thing (within orthodoxy they used maybe 2% of their production on killing, so this argument doesn't fly too much )

Now you're saying it wouldn't have been used because of shelf life issues right? 3 months is too short of a time for them to be able to handle their shit eh?

 

[potato in mah painus]

Now you're saying it wouldn't have been used because of shelf life issues right? 3 months is too short of a time for them to be able to handle their shit eh?

The remaining tonnage spoiled, since there were no functional gas chambers at Auschwitz outside of a delousing chamber for clothes.

Also you remind me of @HollywoodHulkHogan, who is another member her who like contrarian arguments hundreds of pages long in his own dedicated threads. They didn't need to toss you into mass debates because unlike him, you shit on only one thread for three years straight.

 

[potato in mah painus]

You're not supposed to be familiar with it. If it gets out that hitler was religiously and supernaturally motivated, that destroys their argument that God is a "myth" and that the powers that be are motivated by objective evil (demons, satan, antichristinity)

It is easier for the powers that be to paint hitlers motivation as being mad at jews for owning banks.

If hitler was anti god, and the modern governments of the world are anti god, they become linked

Everything has to adhere to "the science". They can't acknowledge Satan's role in this, because that would mean acknowledging God and affirming biblical prophecy

It's the same reason most other things in history are dismissed as "myths".

Hitler's book is the place to look for your answers, AI assisted translation of the original text is unfortunately the way to go because most reprints and translations are molested. Be warned its a tough read, he spergs out in a lot of the chapters.

With that said if you just want a TLDR of relevant bits, he hated and blamed them for destroying the country. That anger was fueled later by revolution attempts post WWI. There was nothing religious about it, just cold blooded hatred for the things they did.

Keeping that in mind. They literally tried sending Jewish people away on cruise liners. Not poor, not disenfranchised. People with educations and trades with backgrounds:

The U.S. Government Turned Away Thousands of Jewish Refugees, Fearing That They Were Nazi Spies

In a long tradition of “persecuting the refugee,” the State Department and FDR claimed that Jewish immigrants could threaten national security

www.smithsonianmag.com

MS St. Louis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Spies" yet most of the ships were turned away before the outbreak of the war. The world knew these people helped with the communist revolutions, it was only a sense of decency that these ships weren't fired at upon entering territorial waters.

 

[Suel Forrester]

Hitler's book is the place to look for your answers, AI assisted translation of the original text is unfortunately the way to go because most reprints and translations are molested. Be warned its a tough read, he spergs out in a lot of the chapters.

hitler was literally an inbred faggot. bible is better

With that said if you just want a TLDR of relevant bits, he hated and blamed them for destroying the country.

blamed christians. the christians were the ones holding back his would-be utopia of homo buttsex and pedophilia, etc. he was a (((them))), he was an ashkenazi. that is why he hated christianity so much, and why he had such a fetish for demons and the "occult".

That anger was fueled later by revolution attempts post WWI. There was nothing religious about it, just cold blooded hatred for the things they did.

no, it was religious. if you arent sure about that, read about Positive Christianity, his right hand boy Alfred Rosenbaum (wait, that name doesnt sound very "aryan", does it?) and look at the nazi flag. goebbels wrote (and hitler did somehre as well) that the targeting of jews was to eliminate the bloodline of the messiah and prevent the birth of the messiah. because hitler was an ashkenazi, he thought the messiah was yet to come

Keeping that in mind. They literally tried sending Jewish people away on cruise liners. Not poor, not disenfranchised. People with educations and trades with backgrounds:

The U.S. Government Turned Away Thousands of Jewish Refugees, Fearing That They Were Nazi Spies

In a long tradition of “persecuting the refugee,” the State Department and FDR claimed that Jewish immigrants could threaten national security

www.smithsonianmag.com

MS St. Louis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

right. to colonize. not to get rid of them. mission accomplished.

"Spies" yet most of the ships were turned away before the outbreak of the war. The world knew these people helped with the communist revolutions, it was only a sense of decency that these ships weren't fired at upon entering territorial waters.

hitler was a communist and took most of his ideology from marx and his scientific ideas from darwin, 2 satanists

 

[potato in mah painus]

blamed christians. the christians were the ones holding back his would-be utopia of homo buttsex and pedophilia, etc. he was a (((them))), he was an ashkenazi. that is why he hated christianity so much, and why he had such a fetish for demons and the "occult".

Quit treating Hellboy and 4chan skitzo posts as historical literature.

 

[Suel Forrester]

Quit treating Hellboy and 4chan skitzo posts as historical literature.

idk what this means. i ve never read hellboy (ew) and 4chan is pro hitler most of the time

i presume youre an adult, you ever think its maybe time to give up those ashkenazi lies you got fed as a kid? you dont believe in santa, right?

stop treat textbooks written by hollywood (((people))) as historical literature

 

[Bonesjones]

Also you remind me of @HollywoodHulkHogan, who is another member her who like contrarian arguments hundreds of pages long in his own dedicated threads. They didn't need to toss you into mass debates because unlike him, you shit on only one thread for three years straight.

Chugger got banned from other holocaust denier forums for shitting them up as well. He's either some jewish internet defense poster or has a huge humiliation fetish, because he's done it for years and only made regress.

Quit treating Hellboy and 4chan skitzo posts as historical literature.

He's some schizo ultrachristian retard who started shitting up the forum lately.

 

[potato in mah painus]

Chugger got banned from other holocaust denier forums for shitting them up as well. He's either some jewish internet defense poster or has a huge humiliation fetish, because he's done it for years and only made regress.

He's some schizo ultrachristian retard who started shitting up the forum lately.

Or he's actually paid to go into unregulated forums and derail discussion. Few people have this level of commitment to one thing unless its their 9 to 5.

 

[Chugger]

So you've posted here for years again, with no central thesis, no objective, just reactionary posting of "nuh uh". I have nothing left to show, I've destroyed the holocaust narrative on every level and welcome any argument with nothing but clarity. You offer nothing but the sound of huffing your own farts so you can feed your own humiliation fetish.

Let me look at your first point. I have a central thesis, the mainstream historical view about the Holocaust is broadly correct (historians differ on some details, like 10% more or less were killed). This is quite obvious from my posts.

My secondary thesis is that revisionists are intellectually lazy and hypocritical, eg your repeated statements that the soviets were the ones that genocided the Jews, despite there being no evidence for this. You accept it because it's a convenient thing for you to believe.

 

[Bonesjones]

Let me look at your first point. I have a central thesis, the mainstream historical view about the Holocaust is broadly correct (historians differ on some details, like 10% more or less were killed). This is quite obvious from my posts.

Lol you can't even post without being overly vague. If you didn't have wiggle room to weasel out of what you say, what would you have?

 

[Chugger]

Lol you can't even post without being overly vague. If you didn't have wiggle room to weasel out of what you say, what would you have?

Eg with death count the low mainstream estimates are around 5.1 or 5.2. so that's the "wiggle room" and my personal feeling is it's closer to that than 6 million. You definitely don't accept 5 million deaths so the question is irrelevant. There is no overlap between you and I.

 

[Bonesjones]

Eg with death count the low mainstream estimates are around 5.1 or 5.2. so that's the "wiggle room" and my personal feeling is it's closer to that than 6 million. You definitely don't accept 5 million deaths so the question is irrelevant. There is no overlap between you and I.

Remember your starting point isn't even your own thoughts, it's someone else's. Proving yet again you have no brain. Why would I accept something that isn't my own reasoning? My starting position is what the facts show, yours is that other people told you something. We are not the same.

My secondary thesis is that revisionists are intellectually lazy and hypocritical, eg your repeated statements that the soviets were the ones that genocided the Jews, despite there being no evidence for this. You accept it because it's a convenient thing for you to believe.

Since you edited this in, I'll answer it. That's not a thesis, it's not even an argument. It's you crying. I accept it because it's in the realm of possibility. We know for a fact Soviets murdered people and blamed it on the Germans. We know for a fact they killed tens of millions of people. It's easily in the realm of possibility they killed jews and blamed it on the Nazis. This is in opposition to jews just disappearing into nothing while in Nazi custody instead of being somewhere else. So again, do you believe in Bigfoot?

 

[Chugger]

Remember your starting point isn't even your own thoughts, it's someone else's. Proving yet again you have no brain. Why would I accept something that isn't my own reasoning? My starting position is what the facts show, yours is that other people told you something. We are not the same.

I gave you my own thoughts, which is that the numbers are closer to 5 million than 6.

Since you edited this in, I'll answer it. That's not a thesis, it's not even an argument. It's you crying. I accept it because it's in the realm of possibility. We know for a fact Soviets murdered people and blamed it on the Germans. We know for a fact they killed tens of millions of people. It's easily in the realm of possibility they killed jews and blamed it on the Nazis. This is in opposition to jews just disappearing into nothing while in Nazi custody instead of being somewhere else. So again, do you believe in Bigfoot?

Yup, your ideas about what happened are based on possibility rather than evidence.

I don't believe in Bigfoot because the evidence doesn't pass a sufficient threshold.

Remember with the Holocaust, there is a "mystery" that everyone believes happened (the Jews were removed from the ghettos). You don't have an evidence based answer for what happened to most of them, and mere possibility is good enough for you. This is a sign of your intellectual laziness. I might also call you retarded.

 

[John.Doe]

there is a "mystery" that everyone believes happened (the Jews were removed from the ghettos).

Wrong. You still haven't produced a single shred of evidence, you just expect everyone to accept psychic Germans that used telepathy to communicate plans for TJD, and were simultaneously so bloodthirsty to desire genocide but so cowardly that they wouldn't just shoot them as they were found, and so sent them to camps to be killed with rollercoasters, masturbation machines, trained bears/eagles, and then after simultaneously cremated in ovens but also in open pits but also buried, disinterred, then cremated to the point that all evidence was vaporized forever.

You're the delusional one.

 

[Bonesjones]

I gave you my own thoughts, which is that the numbers are closer to 5 million than 6.

No you started with someone else's thoughts (mainstream historians being correct) and gave yourself wiggle room to avoid being held to any factual standard (the numbers can vary by up to a million).

Yup, your ideas about what happened are based on possibility rather than evidence.

Yes something has to be possible before you have to support it with evidence, unless it's the holocaust then the impossible is a given and everyone else has to prove it's wrong.

I don't believe in Bigfoot because the evidence doesn't pass a sufficient threshold.

So you don't believe in the holocaust then, I've shown how Bigfoot has a higher standard of evidence.

Remember with the Holocaust, there is a "mystery" that everyone believes happened (the Jews were removed from the ghettos).

There is no mystery. There is a large group of people who went somewhere. If you can't prove they were killed then they still exist elsewhere. If you can prove they were killed, you still have to supply the how and the who. Unfortunately you can't do any of that

You don't have an evidence based answer for what happened to most of them, and mere possibility is good enough for you.

I don't need one, I'm here to show the holocaust is a lie, everything else is irrelevant. The only reason you leap from the topic is to turn the burden of proof onto me, so you can cover your own lack of evidence.

This is a sign of your intellectual laziness. I might also call you retarded.

This is called projecting and you do it badly (like everything else you do).

 

[Chugger]

Wrong. You still haven't produced a single shred of evidence

I've presented lots of evidence, which you don't accept for some reason, eg archeological reports of mass amounts of cremains under the surface at the Reinhard camps.

you just expect everyone to accept psychic Germans that used telepathy to communicate plans for TJD, and were simultaneously so bloodthirsty to desire genocide but so cowardly that they wouldn't just shoot them as they were found, and so sent them to camps to be killed with rollercoasters, masturbation machines, trained bears/eagles, and then after simultaneously cremated in ovens but also in open pits but also buried, disinterred, then cremated to the point that all evidence was vaporized forever.

You're a smart guy, look through my posts and show me where I've asserted any of these things as being real.

 

[Bonesjones]

I've presented lots of evidence, which you don't accept for some reason, eg archeological reports of mass amounts of cremains under the surface at the Reinhard camps.

So if that massive amounts of cremains existed then why didn't they do further investigation, why did they call it off at core samples? That's not science that's propaganda.

You're a smart guy, look through my posts and show me where I've asserted any of these things as being real.

You said you accept the mainstream holocaust narrative as your central thesis, all of these things come as a part of it. So either support them or deny them. Which is it?