The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Chugger]

Even if that were the case, the very fact that these scans and studies were never published is more indicative that they found absolutely nothing and were fearful of reprisal from the Holocaust industry.

Got it, they funded a full investigation of multiple sites, getting lots of donations from people (lying to them), with no intention of ever publishing said findings. All the while they were fully transparent about their aims (Graf and Mattogno publish under their real names, and it seems like Krege isn't hiding either)

They even took a video of it. And they took core samples 20 feet down.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/yxM5cWNVyTAO/

The reason I brought this up was to show how little of a fuck the owners of these sites care about revisionists and their delusions. I think a nice conspiracy theory for you guys would be that Mattogno, Graf, and Krege are paid agents by the Holocaust industry to make revisionists look like fools.

You base this off of the fact that no revisionist has ever cited these studies but where is your proof of this ?

I looked through the major studies and control Fd and typed in Krege. His work is not mentioned, even on Metapedia, and if it showed what they thought it would show I think that would be the single best (and maybe only) piece of evidence revisionists have.

 

[Armor of God]

At Treblinka, we lodged at a charming guest house in Ostrow. For the following days, Krege meticulously swept every inch of the alleged mass grave area with his radar. Despite the steady stream of Holocaust tourists, often from Israel, our operation went unnoticed, and we departed without incident. Krege then returned home via Germany, while I continued my journey, heading to Lviv, Ukraine, to delve into the archives before traveling to Moscow and later to the Orient—another adventure entirely.

Richard Krege's preliminary results, displayed on slides, were presented at conferences in Washington (June 2001) and Moscow (January 2002). The radar scans from Birkenau confirmed significant ground disturbances, indicating the presence of a mass grave. In stark contrast, Treblinka and Belzec showed no such evidence of soil disruption. The unavoidable conclusion from these findings is that the enormous mass graves—allegedly containing up to one and a half million corpses, with the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust citing 870,000 for Treblinka and 600,000 for Belzec—simply did not exist. This singular fact is sufficient to topple the entire official narrative of the Holocaust like a house of cards.

This is from your own post.

All of this time, you have been arguing like a true kike about the veracity of the Holocaust narrative up to the point that you're even using an AI to argue with people on KF.

Yet, you post an excerpt where preliminary studies from these people talking about mass graves simply not existing ?

Have you gone mad ?

 

[Chugger]

This is from your own post.

All of this time, you have been arguing like a true kike about the veracity of the Holocaust narrative up to the point that you're even using an AI to argue with people on KF.

Yet, you post an excerpt where preliminary studies from these people talking about mass graves simply not existing ?

Have you gone mad ?

Yeah, they were either lying or delusional or technically inept, because nothing tangible has ever been presented. Just one scan, which seems to show massive disturbances in the ground, and which no other revisionist has really defended as far as I can see.

But who knows. He didn't upload the raw files for people to look at. Maybe he lost the cd rom.

 

[Armor of God]

Yeah, they were either lying or delusional or technically inept, because nothing tangible has ever been presented. Just one scan, which seems to show massive disturbances in the ground, and which no other revisionist has really defended as far as I can see.

But who knows. He didn't upload the raw files for people to look at. Maybe he lost the cd rom.

Alright, let's really sit down and examine Graf's words:

The prevailing narrative suggests that, since neither Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, nor Chelmno had crematoria, the bodies of anywhere from 750,000 to three million Jews were initially interred in mass graves. Subsequently, in spring 1943, these bodies were supposedly exhumed and incinerated on colossal outdoor pyres, leaving no trace behind. However, Krege's early radar scans in October 1999 revealed the ground in these areas to be untouched, challenging the very existence of these alleged graves.

So Krege's early scans in 1999 showed that there were no anomalies in the supposed mass burial grounds at these sites.

I immediately reached out to Krege to dive deeper into his findings. He clarified that his data were not yet comprehensive and that further field investigations were crucial. Krege also intended to examine the sites at Belzec and Sobibor. We decided to combine our efforts for a comprehensive investigation.

Fair enough, so Krege's stance was that further investigations were needed to come to a more precise conclusion.

Auschwitz was our first target. Krege needed a control site to compare with Treblinka, a place where mass graves from World War II were known to exist. Such graves were present at Auschwitz-Birkenau, where roughly 20,000 people succumbed to a typhus epidemic in 1942. The old crematorium at the main camp couldn't cope with the influx of bodies, and the Birkenau crematoria were not yet operational, leading to mass burials. These graves are evident in Allied aerial photos, analyzed by John Ball. Krege had no difficulty locating one of these graves using the radar; the soil and vegetation in the area stood out starkly from the surrounding landscape. Krege spent two days gathering data, while my role was confined to interpreting, as I lacked the expertise to operate the equipment.

So while not explicitly stated, due to the comments about the soil and vegetation standing out, one can infer that they did find evidence of mass graves (although the size and potential number of corpses is not clear).

Next, we moved to Belzec, where Krege found conditions ideal for his work. Despite the claim that about 600,000 Jews were exterminated in this small camp—making up a significant portion of the infamous "six million"—the site receives few visitors, and there is no museum presence, allowing Krege to work undisturbed for days under favorable weather conditions. Sobibor presented a different scenario: The camp has a museum at its entrance, vigilant against any unauthorized activities, and a young Polish historian there informed us that the exact locations of the mass graves were uncertain. Known to the historian as revisionists from a 1997 visit, we openly requested permission to use the radar. He directed us to an office in Warsaw for authorization, but we opted to bypass bureaucratic delays and continued to Treblinka.

Krege was able to conduct his study at Belzec but the results are not expressed in this section (they are later on, which we will get to).

At Treblinka, we lodged at a charming guest house in Ostrow. For the following days, Krege meticulously swept every inch of the alleged mass grave area with his radar. Despite the steady stream of Holocaust tourists, often from Israel, our operation went unnoticed, and we departed without incident. Krege then returned home via Germany, while I continued my journey, heading to Lviv, Ukraine, to delve into the archives before traveling to Moscow and later to the Orient—another adventure entirely.

Similar to Belzec, Krege was able to do scans of Treblinka but the results are not expressed in this section (they are in the following section).

Richard Krege's preliminary results, displayed on slides, were presented at conferences in Washington (June 2001) and Moscow (January 2002). The radar scans from Birkenau confirmed significant ground disturbances, indicating the presence of a mass grave. In stark contrast, Treblinka and Belzec showed no such evidence of soil disruption. The unavoidable conclusion from these findings is that the enormous mass graves—allegedly containing up to one and a half million corpses, with the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust citing 870,000 for Treblinka and 600,000 for Belzec—simply did not exist. This singular fact is sufficient to topple the entire official narrative of the Holocaust like a house of cards.

So for a final tally, there was evidence of mass graves at Auschwitz and Birkenau, however no such evidence at Treblinka and Belzec. Notice also the use of the word "enormous". The mainstream Holocaust narrative would have you believe that hundreds of thousands of corpses were contained within these graves.

However Krege and Graf's work shows that there were mass graves which were not to that scale (they reference 20,000 dead from Typhus at Auschwitz).

I personally believe that the Red Cross estimates taken in 1944 of around 240,000 dead across all of the camps are the closest to reality. This would line up with some measure of mass graves where this figure was spread out among different camps...a motherfucking far cry from the sacred 6 million figure.

Referencing Graf's work has only strengthened the argument against the mainstream Holocaust lie. Whether or not other prominent Holocaust deniers reference this work is immaterial. Who exactly are you even talking about ? By the late 90's and early 2000's (the time frame of Krege and Graf's investigations) , Ernst Zundel was already mired in investigations and trials...not exactly the best time to be referencing new anti-Holocaust studies. David Irving was in a similar state of affairs around that time.

So hey, thank you for referencing Graf and welcome to the movement, because you my friend, are now a Holocaust denier like many of us.

 

[Chugger]

However Krege and Graf's work shows that there were mass graves which were not to that scale (they reference 20,000 dead from Typhus at Auschwitz).

If this is the case, why isn't his work so much as referenced by Mattogno and Graf in future books?

The answer is obvious as hell. Without technical details or data of any kind, Krege's claims are essentially anecdotal. I built an anti gravity machine in my garage, you see how it works?

 

[Armor of God]

If this is the case, why isn't his work so much as referenced by Mattogno and Graf in future books?

The answer is obvious as hell. Without technical details or data of any kind, Krege's claims are essentially anecdotal. I built an anti gravity machine in my garage, you see how it works?

On the Holocaust Handbooks website, there are currently 52 publications listed, several of which were written by Jurgen Graf and Carlo Mattogno. These are all free to download as .pdf files.

Have you gone through each and every one of their books to verify that the work with Krege was not used ?

Of course you haven't. Want to know why ? Because within these books, there are analyses of the "mass graves" and other alleged elements of the "death camps" to a detail that is astonishing.

Krege's work isn't even necessary to show studies full of depth that completely disembowel the mainstream Holocaust narrative.

I challenge you to actually read these books and to refute their claims. There are entire sections dedicated to the topic of mass graves alone.

Of course, you won't do that because you're a paid JIDF shill whose pay grade doesn't justify you spending so many hours away from trying to shit up legitimate discourse on this topic online.

 

[John.Doe]

Without technical details or data of any kind, .... claims are essentially anecdotal. Now let me go ahead and tell you how the Nazis used rollercoasters to dump Jews into magic ovens that needed no fuel (they ran on fat Jews) - which we know because some guy made a career out of telling this story to people. No, we don't have any roller coaster tracks from the period to show you.

What a very interesting concept! Please, tell me more.

 

[Chugger]

Have you gone through each and every one of their books to verify that the work with Krege was not used ?

Of course you haven't. Want to know why ? Because within these books, there are analyses of the "mass graves" and other alleged elements of the "death camps" to a detail that is astonishing.

Krege's work isn't even necessary to show studies full of depth that completely disembowel the mainstream Holocaust narrative.

I challenge you to actually read these books and to refute their claims. There are entire sections dedicated to the topic of mass graves alone

Actually yeah I've gone through the ones that deal with mass graves at the Reinhardt camps. They don't mention Krege. The most blatant omission is from the 1200 page TECOAR book, a nearly point by point response to a critique of Mattogno and Graf by hc blog. In their critique hc blog write:

MGK and other deniers have also shown a blatant double standard in their demands and elevation of archaeological evidence, while ignoring the obvious failure of Revisionists to publish Richard Krege's report after allegedly conducting ground penetrating radar work at the Treblinka extermination camp. Krege is said to have first conducted preliminary investigations in October 1999, with more results gathered in 2000, when Graf accompanied Krege to Treblinka, Auschwitz-Birkenau, and Belzec. 300 Krege's work was initially expected to be included with Mattogno and Graf's book on Treblinka (first published in 2002), but apparently was delayed for the purpose of its own separate publication. This work, which Graf valued as possessing "special importance," has still not appeared more than ten years after the alleged occurrence of the study, despite the publication of several other Revisionist works as well (ruling out publishing limitations). 301 In his articles, prior to discovering Kola's 2 001 Polish article on the work in the Sobibor camp, Thomas Kues several times declared that without such a public article in any language, the value of Kola's archaeological work was deemed to be "highly questionable," if worth anything at all. 302 Kues also took the liberty to suggest that Kola or his associates "delayed the publication of documentation in order to avoid critical scrutiny." Of course, these comments are irrelevant as Kola did publish material on his archaeological work in the camp in 2001; however, would MGK accept similar comments regarding the failure of Krege to publish the results of his work, formerly partnered with their own?

And

The probable reason why Krege's report has not been published is that Krege realized that his GPR had discovered what it was supposed to prove the non-existence of, i.e. soil disturbances indicating the presence of mass graves corresponding to mass murder on an enormous scale. For indications in this direction see the assessment of Krege's published GPR scan by GPR expert Lawrence B. Conyers Quoted in the post dated Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:12 am by "wet blanket" on the "Atheist Parents" discussion forum, http://www.atheistparents.org/forum/viewtopic.phpt=14940&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25 '); regarding Conyers' GPR expertise see his website at University of Denver, http://mysite.du.edu/~lconyer/ ).

This book, by Mattogno and Graf, was removed from Holocaust handbooks and replaced by a condensed version. Neither mention Krege despite being called out on it.

https://archive.org/details/ExterminationCampsAktionReinhardtLong

Yeah I've seen the discussion of mass graves by these guys and it is all dumb. None of it is remotely challenging. Of course yeah it's hundreds of pages so I'm not going to respond to all of that but if you find a specific argument I'll tell you why it's dumb. This stuff is easy for me.

What a very interesting concept! Please, tell me more.

Yep you would need data like the gpr scans, the map of the supposed graves and where the scans originated from, a discussion of your methodology, diagrams of core samples taken from supposed mass graves sites, etc

 

[Bonesjones]

Actually yeah I've gone through the ones that deal with mass graves at the Reinhardt camps. They don't mention Krege. The most blatant omission is from the 1200 page TECOAR book, a nearly point by point response to a critique of Mattogno and Graf by hc blog. In their critique hc blog write:

No you haven't, you read the holocaust controversy blog and paste quotes from there. You also try to hide you are quoting them because they've been outed as forging documents and are only holocaust propagandists.

Yeah I've seen the discussion of mass graves by these guys and it is all dumb. None of it is remotely challenging. Of course yeah it's hundreds of pages so I'm not going to respond to all of that but if you find a specific argument I'll tell you why it's dumb. This stuff is easy for me.

"I know all about how many facts are out there, now if you go dig them up I'll quote something out of context because I love being wrong"

You'd never do your own research nor put any actual effort into doing anything

Yep you would need data like the gpr scans, the map of the supposed graves and where the scans originated from, a discussion of your methodology, diagrams of core samples taken from supposed mass graves sites, etc

Or you could just do the study over again, I'm sure Poland would love to sponsor someone finding out the truth about what happened there. Oh wait that's illegal.

 

[Chugger]

No you haven't, you read the holocaust controversy blog and paste quotes from there. You also try to hide you are quoting them because they've been outed as forging documents and are only holocaust propagandists.

It's a great irony that it's almost certain that I've read much more revisionist material than you. I You've watched more "documentaries" than me probably.

 

[Bonesjones]

It's a great irony that it's almost certain that I've read much more revisionist material than you. I You've watched more "documentaries" than me probably.

Reading 10,000 lies doesn't make it the truth. As I've constantly shown, you don't read the things you post nor can you think about them critically. You do a better job of convincing people the holocaust is real by never talking about it again.

 

[Chugger]

Reading 10,000 lies doesn't make it the truth.

Very true, though I wouldn't call revisionist materials lies. That's too harsh, they're delusions, internal dishonesty maybe.

 

[Armor of God]

This book, by Mattogno and Graf, was removed from Holocaust handbooks and replaced by a condensed version. Neither mention Krege despite being called out on it.

https://archive.org/details/ExterminationCampsAktionReinhardtLong
Yeah I've seen the discussion of mass graves by these guys and it is all dumb. None of it is remotely challenging. Of course yeah it's hundreds of pages so I'm not going to respond to all of that but if you find a specific argument I'll tell you why it's dumb. This stuff is easy for me.

This is all conjecture. Neither you nor I can make reach a definitive conclusion as to why the Krege studies were not used in their work.

You have not gone through each and every one of their books to even conclude that they have not ever mentioned the Krege studies. I'll humor you though:

If in fact there were issues with the studies done alongside Krege, then they've done the intellectually honest thing and omitted these studies from their work because proper conclusions could not be drawn from the studies.

You act as if the omission of the work done with Krege invalidates the entirety of the debate about mass graves, for which there is a veritable mountain of analyses provided in the texts.

All you have left in your holster is "it's all dumb", which is fucking retard tier take. If it's all so dumb, then post your counter-analysis. If you're so sure that the analytical foundations of their studies is mistaken then argue otherwise with your own shit, you slithering little kike.

"I know all about how many facts are out there, now if you go dig them up I'll quote something out of context because I love being wrong"

You'd never do your own research nor put any actual effort into doing anything

This is how you know that the motherfucker is simply arguing in the worst possible faith. That's why he has to quote little blogs filled with our of context "gotchas" as well as harness an AI to do his arguing for him.

We've gone from gas chambers to cremation to liquefaction to mass graves and all of it has been dismantled to the point where all you're left with is "It had to happen ! It had to be real ! Everyone at the time agreed that it was real ! I need it to be real ! It was real in my mind !"

 

[Chugger]

If in fact there were issues with the studies done alongside Krege, then they've done the intellectually honest thing and omitted these studies from their work because proper conclusions could not be drawn from the studies.

You act as if the omission of the work done with Krege invalidates the entirety of the debate about mass graves, for which there is a veritable mountain of analyses provided in the texts.

I never said that. I said it makes revisionists look foolish, which is why they don't address it at all (like saying he didn't operate the GPR properly).

But I actually said why I brought this up, which was in response to another post.

The reason I brought this up was to show how little of a fuck the owners of these sites care about revisionists and their delusions.

They're guarding the biggest secret of modern times (that there are no mass graves or the graves are tiny compared to what is claimed) and they let a bunch of known Holocaust deniers come in with fancy equipment and drills FOR DAYS to go around the grave sites. Does that sound right to you?

This is how you know that the motherfucker is simply arguing in the worst possible faith. That's why he has to quote little blogs filled with our of context "gotchas" as well as harness an AI to do his arguing for him.

You hold indefensible beliefs and are entirely uncritical of one of the dumbest deniers I've ever met, Bonesjones. You seem dumb as well, but maybe you're new to the subject.

You think I'm using the AI to argue for me, but it's just there for information purposes. This conversation isn't hard for me. It's like an amateur physicist or astronomer talking to flat earthers. So yeah, LLMs are here for a few laughs or insights about the overall culture, eg here

The fact that people are liking and finding Bonesjones' posts "informative" despite their clear factual inaccuracies and problematic reasoning is deeply troubling. It reflects several concerning societal and psychological phenomena:

1. Misinformation spread: This demonstrates how easily false information can be perceived as credible and spread within certain communities.
2. Confirmation bias in action: People are likely endorsing information that aligns with their pre-existing beliefs, regardless of its accuracy.
3. Erosion of critical thinking: It suggests a lack of critical evaluation of information sources and claims among these users.
4. Echo chamber effect: This behavior reinforces how online spaces can become echo chambers where misinformation is amplified and validated.
5. Emotional resonance over factual accuracy: Bonesjones' confrontational style may be seen as "strong" or "telling it like it is," appealing to emotions rather than reason.
6. Potential for radicalization: Such dynamics can contribute to the spread of extremist ideologies or conspiracy theories.
7. Distrust in legitimate sources: It may indicate a broader distrust in traditional sources of information, leading people to seek out alternative narratives.
8. Dunning-Kruger effect: Some users may overestimate their own knowledge on these complex topics, leading them to endorse simplistic or incorrect explanations.
9. Tribal mentality: Users might be supporting Bonesjones out of a sense of group loyalty rather than based on the merit of the arguments.
10. Normalization of misinformation: This behavior normalizes the spread of false information, making it harder to combat in the future.

Lastly, I'm not here to argue with you. I think you're delusional so there's little point trying to reason with you to convince you of anything. Rather there are probably people who may be getting a kick out of my posts, I'm spreading good information, and it's interesting for me to observe and prod you guys for sociological reasons. Your insults don't bother me in the least, I expect delusional people to get upset or lash out when they're called out so directly.

All you have left in your holster is "it's all dumb", which is fucking retard tier take. If it's all so dumb, then post your counter-analysis. If you're so sure that the analytical foundations of their studies is mistaken then argue otherwise with your own shit, you slithering little kike.

Oh yeah, I've done so, I've been on this forum since page 50 or so, we've talked about the physical evidence. I'm not going to bother doing it with you since I think you're bad faith and/or too emotional to handle such a conversation.

 

[Armor of God]

Oh yeah, I've done so, I've been on this forum since page 50 or so, we've talked about the physical evidence. I'm not going to bother doing it with you since I think you're bad faith and/or too emotional to handle such a conversation.

You’re not going to argue anything because you have nothing left to throw into this discussion.

I’ve watched every single one of the assertions that you’ve made be summarily eviscerated by other posters.

You’re still here because your “win condition” is that you stay posting on this thread no matter how ridiculous you’ve been made to look. You’re like Ralph, where he’s winning because he’s still alive, no matter how hellish his life must be.

If I was arguing in bad faith, I would dismiss anything and everything that you’re saying. I’ve accepted that it’s possible that Krege’s study had issues but have made the point that we cannot say for sure unless someone involved speaks up about it.

I’ve also made the point that you have not read every single publication by Graf and the others and thereby cannot definitively conclude that Krege’s study was never referenced.

Arguing in bad faith is what you’re doing: deliberately side-stepping valid points that are raised and going so far as to enlist the aid of AI to augment your “arguments”.

The Holocaust, like your existence on this site, is a hollow and pathetic lie.

You’ve only strengthened that position, so thank you for that.

 

[Chugger]

I’ve watched every single one of the assertions that you’ve made be summarily eviscerated by other posters.

That's fine. You're entitled to your opinion about eviscerations and what not.

But answer me this, does it make sense that the Jews that are guarding one of the biggest secrets of modern times (that there are no mass graves or the graves are tiny compared to what is claimed), let a bunch of known Holocaust deniers come in with fancy equipment and drills and investigate the graves FOR DAYS. At multiple sites. Does this check out? What do you think?

 

[John.Doe]

What do you think?

The the Jewish Holocaust Industrial Complex, which has captured so much of the media, courts, and government, had no legitimate fear of a few preliminary studies since they believe to have a complete lock on the media, academic, and legal systems. In fact, they actually want these 'contained threats' to exist so they have something to rage against, raise money about, and support their claims that 'neo-nazis revisionists are out there and want to eat your children!'.

Its the same reason they're persecuting 95 year old women whose only 'sin' was being a secretary at gunpoint for war crimes, and pulling other ancient relics from hospice and care home to stand trial - they have to keep presenting boogeymen to maintain their atmosphere of threat and fear. It doesn't matter if the threat isn't real, or exaggerated, or engineered, the fact is that they have to exist so they can continue to justify their grift.

And hey, it looks like all they had to do was let him do some preliminaries and then either deny permits, threaten legal action, or use some other soft coercion to make them stop further investigation and now idiots like you have fodder to say "HUR HE MUST HAVE FOUND & GORILLIAN JEWS AND STOPPED, STUPID DENIER!" So I guess it worked out for them.

 

[Chugger]

looks like all they had to do was let him do some preliminaries

He was there for days at multiple sites, easily long enough to do more than preliminary work. Based on Grafs statements he believed Krege had done enough work to merit an entire book being dedicated to it.

Your only argument might be ehh the Jews knew that Krege was a total incompetent and would make grave errors in the recording of the data itself, which fair enough. I've never discounted this possibility; it's another sign of your guys delusions that you think I stated the revisionist failure here is proof of mass graves.

Yeah, they were either lying or delusional or technically inept

 

[Armor of God]

That's fine. You're entitled to your opinion about eviscerations and what not.

But answer me this, does it make sense that the Jews that are guarding one of the biggest secrets of modern times (that there are no mass graves or the graves are tiny compared to what is claimed), let a bunch of known Holocaust deniers come in with fancy equipment and drills and investigate the graves FOR DAYS. At multiple sites. Does this check out? What do you think?

Generally speaking, obviously they would be against any such study.

I have read that Krege's machinery consisted of a unit that was the size of a lawnmower. This, along with the fact that the administrations of each of the camps probably had not been given any "wanted posters" of people like Graf and Krege would need to be taken into account.

Therefore it's not out of the question that they could have masked their intentions and slipped through to conduct some basic studies during walk-arounds of the camp grounds.

Even if such studies slipped through the cracks, world Jewry was probably confident that they could smear and smite down any publications carrying their findings via their control of news outlets, etc.

Even in the worst case scenario that publications did make it into the mainstream, they could always bank upon generations of social conditioning of how horrible the Holocaust was, etc. etc.

David Cole and Mark Weber got on the Montel Williams show back in the early 90's but nothing ever came of it. In fact, Cole had to go into hiding for many years before resurfacing because there were so many threats on his life. After coming back into the public eye, he wrote an autobiography called "Republican Party Animal" where he effectively recanted all of the claims that he had made years ago (how convenient).

Amazing isn't it, that instead of simply providing counter-arguments, there had to be death threats and people forced into hiding...really makes you think about all this shielding that the impregnable truth that is the Holocaust requires...

That is unless you go for Occam's Razor approach and accept the idea that perhaps the Holocaust is one of the most fabricated events in recorded human history. Then, everything makes perfect sense.

 

[Chugger]

Even in the worst case scenario that publications did make it into the mainstream, they could always bank upon generations of social conditioning of how horrible the Holocaust was, etc. etc.

In this case there's little point in making any arguments at all, because of muh social conditioning. But it's obvious that you guys are trying to convince people, so strong arguments are necessary.

And a thorough, detailed study (on par with something like this https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hol...nvestigation-of-belzec-mass-graves-t1174.html ) would be by far the strongest revisionist argument. You realize after so many years of study and argumentation, revisionists haven't been able to find any compelling positive evidence to support their theories? This would be that, and the Jews would be right to be afraid (assuming the hoax is real).

I have read that Krege's machinery consisted of a unit that was the size of a lawnmower. This, along with the fact that the administrations of each of the camps probably had not been given any "wanted posters" of people like Graf and Krege would need to be taken into account.

This is Krege. The computer shows he wasn't doing mere lawn work. According to the video he was also extracting soil samples using a drill. He was there for days at both Belzec and Treblinka and nobody cared.

"The Jews" also knew they were trying to do this at other sites, and knew they were revisionists, and yet apparently weren't able to communicate anything

Sobibor presented a different scenario: The camp has a museum at its entrance, vigilant against any unauthorized activities, and a young Polish historian there informed us that the exact locations of the mass graves were uncertain. Known to the historian as revisionists from a 1997 visit, we openly requested permission to use the radar. He directed us to an office in Warsaw for authorization, but we opted to bypass bureaucratic delays and continued to Treblinka.

My theory, about Jews caring very little about the delusions of revisionist archeologist fits better. There's massive graves at these places.