The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

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What makes me doubt it, is the foaming-at-the-mouth disapproval of scientific investigation regarding the gas chambers and the burial grounds. If you're familiar with David Irving and Germar Rudolf's stories, particularly their persecution at the hands of a large community of very upset jews, oftentimes resulting in imprisonment, money confiscation, deportation or physical threats, you know what I'm talking about. There are numerous instances of people attempting to GPR (radar) the burial sites where, supposedly, there are millions of bodies, or ground-up bone fragments, but they are quickly kicked out and banned for "disturbing a jewish burial ground", which is against their religious laws. The whole thing reeks, and the relentless persecution of those who question it is suspect in its entirety. Until there is a final, supervised, recorded, and public examination of every holocaust claim, I'm just not going to believe a word of it.
 
Japan is an ethnostate, the only difference between them and Nazi germany is they don’t have millions of anti-Japanese to round up and kill, bc ethnostate.
Another expert on Japan whose only source is /pol/. There's easily around a million of Chinese alone, and this number is growing. There's also around half a million of Zainichi Koreans and Vietnamese each, and those were actually rounded up and killed on more than one occasion. Your ethnostate is a fantasy.
 
Bro you’re getting all agro with somebody just having a conversation. I wouldn’t browse pol if you paid me. I’m going by first hand accounts from native Japanese acquaintances, my travel experiences in the country and what I am shown online (least important, but I like to see what’s portrayed.)

If I’m wrong show me, please. It’s a thread for learning. I don’t mind being wrong, but chimping out doesn’t make me feel like you’re coming from an honest viewpoint.

I’m not your enemy for being in this post. Calm your tits.
 
Remember, I am arguing against Bonejones, so we're talking about modern Japanese people. What do they think Chinese did to them an ancient years that justified mass rape or chemical warfare. If you're not taking Bonesjones' position, just let me know.
No, you are talking to yourself because you are a retard.
It seems like Bonesjones is arguing that the average Japanese person thinks this way, but even if we filter for ultranationalism, I highly doubt that's true. Rape and mass murder of civilians is just something people find unpalatable. We have their writings, private diaries, etc. Find me something where they are referring to mass rape as brutal, but justifiable.
Stop trying to talk for me and pretend like you know what I am saying, my words are there for everyone to read.
Well that is what Bonesjones is saying. No one except total cranks deny that there weren't brutalities. Bonesjones thinks those brutalities, such as mass rape, are justifiable to most Japanese. Even if we filter for Ultranationalists only, such an assertion seems outlandish. If you aren't taking his position that's fine, just let me know. It's possible we don't have a serious disagreement here.
Hey look you do that thing where you badly repeat something you read somewhere to try and twist it to mean whatever you want.
I know this is one of the tenets of the holocaust media industry as has been pushed since the 70-80s. But please explain it to me like I'm a retard (not far off tbh). Why would the fact that it is industrialized make a significant difference to its political or sociological impact?
It's just another mechanism of jews to inflate their self importance. Remember jews are so pathetic, they have to invent their own genocide.
I'm not taking a side on the Sino-Japanese war. I really don't care.

Propaganda is propaganda, who started it doesn't matter. If you want to trace who started what, we will be tracing events back to prehistory.
Historical events, both real and perceived, will forever be used to justify every action or accusation.

In all wars, both sides committed genocide. Some more than others. This is even more true for Asia.
Chugger has a humiliation fetish and can't go on without us pointing out how wrong he is and how big of a retard he is.
The death camp is something that hasn't been seen before. A labor camp may have deadly working conditions, but its purpose is to utilize prisoners as slave labor. A concentration camp inters people for some duration; an open air prison. Something like Unit 731 used its prisoners for fucked up experiments. The purpose of a death camp is to ensure that its occupants die.

The Nazi death camps would receive people by trains, empty them, eliminate the ones that couldn't serve as forced labor, and repeat. There is also the fact that the Nazis kept records of all of this. We can tell when people were shipped out from ghettos to these camps.

I can't think of any other genocide which kept such records. I don't believe we have documents from the Armenian Genocide stating how many people died this week on the death march or letters from The Trail of Tears detailing how many Indians died from disease or starvation. But we do have the records of the Holocaust.
Death camps haven't been seen before because they don't exist, they are illogical and impractical. The document I just posted, if real, proves the British knew the holocaust is a lie and pushed it for propaganda purposes.
I believe that on some level Jews were killed in camps, but it's just very hard to believe 6million. If anything we all know how Jews love to portray themselves as these benevolent, righteous people & love exaggerating how they persecuted for absolutely no reason, hell its a miracle they aren't extinct it's only by gods will & testicular fortitude they survived,if you disagree you're a antisemitic heathen.
Jews were never intentionally killed, they died from disease and malnutrition caused by supply lines being bombed by the Allies.
We can't say that every country that is an ethno state have genocidal tendencies. Poland is an ethnostate.

Most here would say I am realistic about or prejudiced against Nazi Germany and I think they wouldn't have done a genocide if they weren't mired in an existential conflict. Himmler in 1940 explicitly rejected physical destruction of ethnic groups.
Poland isn't an ethnostate, just because it's majority white doesn't mean they are the same ethnicity, racist.
Another expert on Japan whose only source is /pol/. There's easily around a million of Chinese alone, and this number is growing. There's also around half a million of Zainichi Koreans and Vietnamese each, and those were actually rounded up and killed on more than one occasion. Your ethnostate is a fantasy.
Japan was an ethnostate, now it's a vassal state of the USA. While it's still majority Japanese, they are trying to turn it into the next globohomo country.
 
Another expert on Japan whose only source is /pol/. There's easily around a million of Chinese alone, and this number is growing. There's also around half a million of Zainichi Koreans and Vietnamese each, and those were actually rounded up and killed on more than one occasion. Your ethnostate is a fantasy.

Japan is as much of an ethnostate as you can be in this hellscape that we call current year.

Even if you get Permanent Residency, you can’t vote. You actually need to take up Japanese Citizenship for the chance to vote.

You can’t do the shotgun marriage shit to get residency either. Can’t apply unless you’ve been married for 3 years. Otherwise, you need 10 years of residency to even apply (and even then it’s not a given that you’ll get it).

It’s true that there are hundreds of thousands of East Asians in Japan. They try and assimilate by taking Japanese surnames and teaching their kids to speak in Japanese. However even the zainichi motherfuckers are often involved in all manner of scams and illicit business. They have a fucked up reputation in Japan.

It’s still completely accepted for businesses and landlords to refuse business to foreigners or motherfuckers with accents (even if they have Japanese names). That sort of segregation is still allowed (thankfully).

As Bones pointed out, this will not be allowed to last forever because this is a hellscape and the eternal enemy of true mankind, the Jew, will stop at nothing to ruin true beauty (while maintaining their own ethnostate).
 
Poland isn't an ethnostate, just because it's majority white doesn't mean they are the same ethnicity, racist.

Lol, you will never ever admit that you're wrong. I'm excited to see your attempt to get out of this one.

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AI analysis cause I just think this is comedy.

Bonesjones' statement is clearly contradicted by the data in the image:


  1. Ethnic homogeneity: The 2021 census data shows that 98.59% of Poland's population identifies as ethnically Polish. This is an overwhelmingly dominant majority.
  2. Historical trend: The data shows a clear trend towards increasing ethnic homogeneity over time, from 69.23% Polish in 1921 to 98.59% in 2021.
  3. Minority populations: Other ethnic groups make up tiny percentages, with the next largest group (Silesians) at only 0.62%.
  4. Definition of ethnostate: While the term is controversial, an ethnostate is generally defined as a state with a very high degree of ethnic homogeneity, which Poland clearly exhibits based on this data.
  5. Misuse of "racist": Bonesjones incorrectly accuses the other person of racism for pointing out demographic facts.
  6. Conflation of race and ethnicity: Bonesjones seems to confuse race ("majority white") with ethnicity, which are distinct concepts.

Bonesjones' statement demonstrates:


  • A lack of engagement with factual data
  • Doubling down on an incorrect assertion rather than acknowledging error
  • Misuse of terminology (racist, ethnicity)
  • A pattern of argumentative behavior that prioritizes "winning" over accuracy

I guess Bonesjones hasn't doubled down on his incorrect assertion yet, but he's about to do it.
 
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Lol, you will never ever admit that you're wrong. I'm excited to see your attempt to get out of this one.

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AI analysis cause I just think this is comedy.



I guess Bonesjones hasn't doubled down on his incorrect assertion yet, but he's about to do it.

I ask once again, what kind of giga faggot uses a motherfucking AI to argue on their behalf with anons on the internet ?
 
What makes me doubt it, is the foaming-at-the-mouth disapproval of scientific investigation regarding the gas chambers and the burial grounds. If you're familiar with David Irving and Germar Rudolf's stories, particularly their persecution at the hands of a large community of very upset jews, oftentimes resulting in imprisonment, money confiscation, deportation or physical threats, you know what I'm talking about. There are numerous instances of people attempting to GPR (radar) the burial sites where, supposedly, there are millions of bodies, or ground-up bone fragments, but they are quickly kicked out and banned for "disturbing a jewish burial ground", which is against their religious laws. The whole thing reeks, and the relentless persecution of those who question it is suspect in its entirety. Until there is a final, supervised, recorded, and public examination of every holocaust claim, I'm just not going to believe a word of it.
Why should be there any bones in first place? It's already known what had happened with all the bones from mass graves in Waterloo (almost none found), and that was an illegal work of locals with shovels and carts done in the dark, who sold the bones to the british.
1940's industry, that kind which needs phosphates, was far more resource consuming and had all the trains and factories ready. And before that, there is the part when you have an entire corpse (many of them) and you only need the bones, and at this point I don't even care if some primitive incinerators are enough, or if some other equipment was employed.
People left by a train, people never returned. Either they ended up in some jewish paradise alternate universe from which they could not even send a postcard, or they died of whatever that wouldn't happen if they were left alone, and I do not believe in the former.

I've already heard about the Auschwitz barracks being quite new (like, the bricks being embossed with 70's dates), but I always more believed in the version the lager was levelled right at the end of the war, but the Poles felt there is a strong potential, as we can see now with all the dark tourism, so they built it from scratch with new bricks. Revealing there might be empty graves with no bones might break the charm. Wanna explore your emotions with this air-conditioned bus?

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There are numerous instances of people attempting to GPR (radar) the burial sites where, supposedly, there are millions of bodies, or ground-up bone fragments, but they are quickly kicked out and banned for "disturbing a jewish burial ground", which is against their religious laws.
What if revisionists had claimed to have GPR'd the sites thoroughly, say Belzec and Treblinka, without being bothered at all?
 
Another expert on Japan whose only source is /pol/. There's easily around a million of Chinese alone, and this number is growing. There's also around half a million of Zainichi Koreans and Vietnamese each, and those were actually rounded up and killed on more than one occasion. Your ethnostate is a fantasy.
Nigga you're starting to read like HHH.

Ethnic Japanese are 98% of the population of Japan. Even the Chinese are below 1% of their population.

But anyway, this thread isn't about Japan.
 
Lol, you will never ever admit that you're wrong. I'm excited to see your attempt to get out of this one.
I don't need to because I am not wrong, btw did you read footnote number 1?
I guess Bonesjones hasn't doubled down on his incorrect assertion yet, but he's about to do
Funny coming from a guy who admitted he has no thoughts of his own.
I ask once again, what kind of giga faggot uses a motherfucking AI to argue on their behalf with anons on the internet ?
Crying to his mother doesn't work here, so he has to generate (literally) backup any way he can.
Here I changed it for ya. I wouldn't do it if I didn't think it was funny. Comedy is subjective though, so one man's faggot may be another man's king of comedy
"Watch me pee my pants guys, see how hilarious it is"

Why should be there any bones in first place?
There are camps located there because of the rail size change between Europe and Russia, so you have to disembark to change trains in that area. The allies would later say they are death camps and preliminary studies show there are haphazard mass graves there. The issue being that both Germany and the Soviets used both places for their own camps, and no studies were done to show what exactly is there.
1940's industry, that kind which needs phosphates, was far more resource consuming and had all the trains and factories ready. And before that, there is the part when you have an entire corpse (many of them) and you only need the bones, and at this point I don't even care if some primitive incinerators are enough, or if some other equipment was employed.
New holocaust science just dropped boys, they actually turned jews into fertilizer. Sure there's zero evidence to back it up but it  feels right.
People left by a train, people never returned.
Why would they want to, even if they were able?
Either they ended up in some jewish paradise alternate universe from which they could not even send a postcard, or they died of whatever that wouldn't happen if they were left alone, and I do not believe in the former.
I'd hardly call Palestine or Florida a paradise but those lizard people sure do love the sun. Oh you mean they died from the consequences of their actions? If they didn't want to be expulsed from Germany they wouldn't have attempted to start a communist civil war.

What if revisionists had claimed to have GPR'd the sites thoroughly, say Belzec and Treblinka, without being bothered at all?
What if you had wheels? Would you be a bicycle? We talk about reality here, well, some of us do, I've lost trying to figure out what you are doing here.
 
I don't need to because I am not wrong, btw did you read footnote number 1?
Great, there's no such thing as an ethnostate, there never has been, and there never will be. Footnotes only apply up to 2011 anyway.

What if you had wheels? Would you be a bicycle? We talk about reality here, well, some of us do, I've lost trying to figure out what you are doing here.
Check it out. This is from Jurgen Graf

Our curiosity about Treblinka reawakened at the close of 1999, triggered by our Australian associate Fredrick Töben, who relayed information about groundbreaking radar explorations conducted by another Australian, Richard Krege, a young and intrepid engineer. Krege employed ground-penetrating radar, a technology adept at unearthing hidden objects and grave sites by detecting anomalies in soil composition, to probe the grounds of Treblinka. Allegedly, according to numerous eyewitnesses, the site was said to hold enormous mass graves. The prevailing narrative suggests that, since neither Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, nor Chelmno had crematoria, the bodies of anywhere from 750,000 to three million Jews were initially interred in mass graves. Subsequently, in spring 1943, these bodies were supposedly exhumed and incinerated on colossal outdoor pyres, leaving no trace behind. However, Krege's early radar scans in October 1999 revealed the ground in these areas to be untouched, challenging the very existence of these alleged graves.

This revelation was electrifying. If Krege's data were accurate, it could shatter the extermination camp narrative, which hinges entirely on these graves being real. I immediately reached out to Krege to dive deeper into his findings. He clarified that his data were not yet comprehensive and that further field investigations were crucial. Krege also intended to examine the sites at Belzec and Sobibor. We decided to combine our efforts for a comprehensive investigation.

The cost of renting the radar equipment for two weeks was prohibitive for Krege, so I launched a campaign among sponsors and friends, successfully securing the necessary funds. On August 21, 2000, just days after my 49th birthday, marking my final departure from Switzerland, Krege, Carlo Mattogno, and I assembled in Cracow. Unfortunately, Mattogno had to return to Italy after two days due to a family emergency, which turned out to be minor, leaving Krege and me to pursue our mission solo.

Auschwitz was our first target. Krege needed a control site to compare with Treblinka, a place where mass graves from World War II were known to exist. Such graves were present at Auschwitz-Birkenau, where roughly 20,000 people succumbed to a typhus epidemic in 1942. The old crematorium at the main camp couldn't cope with the influx of bodies, and the Birkenau crematoria were not yet operational, leading to mass burials. These graves are evident in Allied aerial photos, analyzed by John Ball. Krege had no difficulty locating one of these graves using the radar; the soil and vegetation in the area stood out starkly from the surrounding landscape. Krege spent two days gathering data, while my role was confined to interpreting, as I lacked the expertise to operate the equipment.

Next, we moved to Belzec, where Krege found conditions ideal for his work. Despite the claim that about 600,000 Jews were exterminated in this small camp—making up a significant portion of the infamous "six million"—the site receives few visitors, and there is no museum presence, allowing Krege to work undisturbed for days under favorable weather conditions. Sobibor presented a different scenario: The camp has a museum at its entrance, vigilant against any unauthorized activities, and a young Polish historian there informed us that the exact locations of the mass graves were uncertain. Known to the historian as revisionists from a 1997 visit, we openly requested permission to use the radar. He directed us to an office in Warsaw for authorization, but we opted to bypass bureaucratic delays and continued to Treblinka.

At Treblinka, we lodged at a charming guest house in Ostrow. For the following days, Krege meticulously swept every inch of the alleged mass grave area with his radar. Despite the steady stream of Holocaust tourists, often from Israel, our operation went unnoticed, and we departed without incident. Krege then returned home via Germany, while I continued my journey, heading to Lviv, Ukraine, to delve into the archives before traveling to Moscow and later to the Orient—another adventure entirely.

Richard Krege's preliminary results, displayed on slides, were presented at conferences in Washington (June 2001) and Moscow (January 2002). The radar scans from Birkenau confirmed significant ground disturbances, indicating the presence of a mass grave. In stark contrast, Treblinka and Belzec showed no such evidence of soil disruption. The unavoidable conclusion from these findings is that the enormous mass graves—allegedly containing up to one and a half million corpses, with the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust citing 870,000 for Treblinka and 600,000 for Belzec—simply did not exist. This singular fact is sufficient to topple the entire official narrative of the Holocaust like a house of cards.
 
Great, there's no such thing as an ethnostate, there never has been, and there never will be. Footnotes only apply up to 2011 anyway.
Not in the modern era where nationalism is discouraged and multiculturalism is pushed as the norm, which is exactly what we said. The point is you don't read what you post and hope it fits what you try to say because you are probably the dumbest person I've ever encountered.
Check it out. This is from Jurgen Graf
What exactly are we checking out? Some guys doing a preliminary study that's completely ignored by academia and any other source? We already know this. Are you forgetting you are trying to say the holocaust happened again?
 
What exactly are we checking out? Some guys doing a preliminary study that's completely ignored by academia and any other source? We already know this. Are you forgetting you are trying to say the holocaust happened again?
Like I said, they exhaustively GPR'd (taking days to do it) the graves at Belzec and Treblinka, without being bothered at all.

This is in response to this statement
There are numerous instances of people attempting to GPR (radar) the burial sites where, supposedly, there are millions of bodies, or ground-up bone fragments, but they are quickly kicked out and banned for "disturbing a jewish burial ground", which is against their religious laws.
 
So you believe they did it and their findings are true? Congrats on being a holocaust denier yet again.
The scans were never released and no study was ever published, and Graf and Mattogno (who funded Krege's tests as you can see above and accompanied him to the sites) never mentioned Krege's work in their further studies. No revisionists have. This is not helpful to your cause, probably the opposite actually, given Krege had plenty of time to do the scans.
 
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The scans were never released and no study was ever published, and Graf and Mattogno (who funded Krege's tests as you can see above and accompanied him to the sites) never mentioned Krege's work in their further studies. No revisionists have. This is not helpful to your cause, probably the opposite actually, given Krege had plenty of time to do the scans.

So your conclusion is that the scans and studies were never released somehow means that this supports the official Holocaust narrative ?

How does that even make sense ? You base this off of the fact that no revisionist has ever cited these studies but where is your proof of this ?

Even if that were the case, the very fact that these scans and studies were never published is more indicative that they found absolutely nothing and were fearful of reprisal from the Holocaust industry.
 
Why should be there any bones in first place? It's already known what had happened with all the bones from mass graves in Waterloo (almost none found), and that was an illegal work of locals with shovels and carts done in the dark, who sold the bones to the british.
While I've heard Holocaust survivor accounts that mention human bone ash being used for fertilizer, not even the British were ballsy enough to just dust off that particular piece of atrocity propaganda about industrial use of killed camp inmates. Revisionists say there are no mass graves, mainline historians say there are mass graves full of ash and bone shards at all the camps were large amounts of people were killed as well as certain mass shooting sites.
Nobody says ze Germans turned Shlomo into fertilizer.
 
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