The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Betonhaus]

if i was schindler i'd save alot of jews. only the really hot jewish women though. I would expect blowjobs/sex from them on a daily basis though.

Jewish women are the ones that ruin your life tho

 

[Chugger]

If you can't come up with a rational model than admit to your inability to do so, state it clearly.

I've tried to answer your question, why don't you try to answer mine? I'm beginning to have doubts that you even can, which points to a more serious problem.

You said before the pipes "begin and end in the wall" and are just there to look scary, are you still going with that?

 

[The Tall Man]

I've tried to answer your question, why don't you try to answer mine?

No you have not.
Either present a rational case or admit that you cannot come up with a reasonable scenario for how the gas chamber operated.

 

[Chugger]

No you have not.
Either present a rational case or admit that you cannot come up with a reasonable scenario for how the gas chamber operated.I

I mean I think we just have a disagreement here about whether it's rational. We were having a discussion about it and then you didn't respond to this post: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-holocaust-thread.68380/page-279#post-18435592

You're shutting the conversation down.

But an even bigger issue, and one which you should be embarrassed about honestly (this should be cause for introspection), is your inability to answer a single question: You said before the pipes "begin and end in the wall" and are just there to look scary, are you still going with that?

My inability to present a rational case is subjective, you say it's not rational, I say it is. Your inability to answer a question is not subjective. I've posed it to you many times and you haven't responded. That's verifiable fact.

 

[The Tall Man]

My inability to present a rational case is subjective

Your scenario relies on the inmates not pushing the granulates down the drains or tampering with them in any other way.
The attempt to stuff this many inmates into a tiny room would cause a panic.
It requires space heaters that aren't mentioned in any testimony and can't be found anywhere in the crematory.
The procedure would take multiple hours, and that is being generous.
Last but not least, the guards would have gassed themselves if they followed your process.

I am giving you an easy way out. You don't even have to come up with a realistic scenario.
Simply admit your inability to do so and state it clearly.

 

[Chugger]

Your scenario relies on the inmates not pushing the granulates down the drains or tampering with them in any other way.
The attempt to stuff this many inmates into a tiny room would cause a panic.
It requires space heaters that aren't mentioned in any testimony and can't be found anywhere in the crematory.
The procedure would take multiple hours, and that is being generous.
Last but not least, the guards would have gassed themselves if they followed your process.

I am giving you an easy way out. You don't even have to come up with a realistic scenario.
Simply admit your inability to do so and state it clearly.

Ok let's get back to the heaters. You say my speculation that they intended to use heaters is irrational because there's no evidence of this. Like I said, yeah there's no solid evidence of gassings there, so why would there necessarily be evidence of heaters? I'm speculating because there is no evidence. That's what speculation is, and your argument is again, that my speculation is irrational.

This is the first objection you make, let's concentrate on it in depth. I want to show to you that your arguments are really bad but this involves you justifying your objections to a greater degree than you have.

Also,

But an even bigger issue, and one which you should be embarrassed about honestly (this should be cause for introspection), is your inability to answer a single question: You said before the pipes "begin and end in the wall" and are just there to look scary, are you still going with that?

My inability to present a rational case is subjective, you say it's not rational, I say it is. Your inability to answer a question is not subjective. I've posed it to you many times and you haven't responded. That's verifiable fact.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

You're shutting the conversation down.

No. You're moving the goalposts. Why would you follow a narrative they demand you not to question or research under the threat of incarceration in certain countries. If you're not allowed to question it, it's not true. This is why I became a Holocaust revisionist.

 

[Chugger]

No. You're moving the goalposts. Why would you follow a narrative they demand you not to question or research under the threat of incarceration in certain countries. If you're not allowed to question it, it's not true. This is why I became a Holocaust revisionist.

This is a totally separate argument from the discussion we're having, which has become focused on minutia due to me needing to address the Tall Man's silly arguments.

"If you're not allowed to question it, it's not true." In some countries you're not allowed to question whether Soviet atrocities happened (eg if you are a revisionist who is saying the USSR didn't commit these crimes you can go to jail). Does that mean the mainstream narrative that the Soviets committed crimes is false?

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

This is a totally separate argument from the discussion we're having, which has become focused on minutia due to me needing to address the Tall Man's silly arguments.

"If you're not allowed to question it, it's not true." In some countries you're not allowed to question whether Soviet atrocities happened (eg if you are a revisionist who is saying the USSR didn't commit these crimes you can go to jail). Does that mean the mainstream narrative that the Soviets committed crimes is false?

Soviet Crimes are only openly admitted in Capitalist societies after they got caught and in this political puppet show theater, there are 2 sphere of influences acting as if they're the opposition to eachother.

 

[The Tall Man]

Ok let's get back to the heaters.

Where are all the portable heaters?
They would have used the central heating system that was already present in the building.
It's an irrational idea that they would preheat the Brausebad with space heaters every time before trying to gas a group of Jews. It's inefficient and cumbersome.
Where are the electrical outlets for all the space heaters?
I can already predict your response: "Well, they used extension cords or ones that operate with gas." So even more stuff nobody ever found or claimed was there.

This concept is stupid from the very beginning since even if you managed to heat the room to 40°C, the granules would still take up to an hour to off-gas.
So, you are storing a bunch of space heaters and accessories (ignoring the fact that nobody found them), and you have to constantly move them in and out of the Brausebad, run extension cords, or deal with butane flasks. And you do all that to get from extremely inefficient off-gassing to very inefficient off-gassing.
You do know they had a number of Zyklon-B fumigators in that building for delousing the filthy Jew clothing to save their lives from typhus.
They would have just used one of those devices.

You don't even have to come up with a realistic scenario.
Simply admit your inability to do so and state it clearly.

 

[Chugger]

They would have used the central heating system that was already present in the building.

Ok I didn't know they had a central heating system. Maybe they used that then.

This concept is stupid from the very beginning since even if you managed to heat the room to 40°C, the granules would still take up to an hour to off-gas.

Source?

Also why are you ignoring this?

But an even bigger issue, and one which you should be embarrassed about honestly (this should be cause for introspection), is your inability to answer a single question: You said before the pipes "begin and end in the wall" and are just there to look scary, are you still going with that?

My inability to present a rational case is subjective, you say it's not rational, I say it is. Your inability to answer a question is not subjective. I've posed it to you many times and you haven't responded. That's verifiable fact.

 

[Chugger]

Soviet Crimes are only openly admitted in Capitalist societies after they got caught and in this political puppet show theater, there are 2 sphere of influences acting as if they're the opposition to eachother.

Your argument is some Nazi crimes aren't real because you're not allowed to deny them in certain countries right?

 

[The Tall Man]

Maybe they used that then.

No the room is not connected to the central heating system you doofus.

Also why are you ignoring this?

Of course I am, why would I let you change the subject when you have yet to take a proper position.


You don't even have to come up with a realistic scenario.
Simply admit your inability to do so and state it clearly.

 

[Chugger]

No the room is not connected to the central heating system you doofus.

How do you know? Also ren't there air ventilation pipes going down from the attic? It would be trivial to put a heater in the attic and pump warm air down when the room was ready.

Of course I am, why would I let you change the subject when you have yet to take a proper position.


You don't even have to come up with a realistic scenario.
Simply admit your inability to do so and state it clearly.

There will be no subject change I promise. We can talk about both things at the same time, your beliefs and my own.

"You said before the pipes "begin and end in the wall" and are just there to look scary, are you still going with that?"

You also said "If you managed to heat the room to 40°C, the granules would still take up to an hour to off-gas."

My thesis about you is you make a lot of positive assertions, not even speculations, with zero evidence. This is not a sound approach from a historical perspective, but maybe you could make a good fiction writer.

 

[Betonhaus]

Oh I have to ask, would a central heating system take the form of a series of pipes in the roof? like a chimney that feeds back and forth with u-shaped pipes sticking out one end so you can inspect the straights for clogs?

 

[The Tall Man]

How do you know? Also ren't there air ventilation pipes going down from the attic? It would be trivial to put a heater in the attic and pump warm air down when the room was ready.

You are laughably stupid my friend.
If you read the book you posted as your big epic proof you wouldn't sound this clueless.
There is not heating system connected to the room.

I am done playing the "how about this" game with you.

Make your final case for how the Gas chamber operated.

There will be no subject change I promise

Correct

You don't even have to come up with a realistic scenario.
Simply admit your inability to do so and state it clearly.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

Your argument is some Nazi crimes aren't real because you're not allowed to deny them in certain countries right?

I say Nazi crimes are not real because they have already been debunked, not just because countries demand me not to question or research it. Only idiots comply to that rule and see their freedoms as selfish.

 

[Chugger]

There is not heating system connected to the room.

There are two ventilation pipes connected to the room. So attach a heater to one of those, it makes perfect sense to me.

"You said before the pipes "begin and end in the wall" and are just there to look scary, are you still going with that?"

You also said "If you managed to heat the room to 40°C, the granules would still take up to an hour to off-gas."

My thesis about you is you make a lot of positive assertions, not even speculations, with zero evidence. This is not a sound approach from a historical perspective, but maybe you could make a good fiction writer.

You have nothing to say in defense of yourself here?

I say Nazi crimes are not real because they have already been debunked,

Yeah this is where you go wrong, but we can talk about it, if you're genuinely curious about my perspective and are able to answer simple questions.

 

[The Tall Man]

Oh I have to ask, would a central heating system take the form of a series of pipes in the roof? like a chimney that feeds back and forth with u-shaped pipes sticking out one end so you can inspect the straights for clogs?
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Chugger went with those big pipes aren't water pipes so it doesn't apply to his theory.

It would have been installed in the floor since the building has no second floor there is only an uninsulated open roof truss above the Brausebad.
There are some crazy theories by holocaust propagandists that the pipes were a heating system that carried hot steam into the Brausebad, but those are not credible.

There are two ventilation pipes connected to the room. So attach a heater to one of those, it makes perfect sense to me.

So they didn't use the hot water boiler to heat the room but instead they installed a separate air heating system, that nobody has found, must be mobile.
You just keep changing everything about your story. You are so scared to give me a proper answer it's pretty funny.

You know what, just explain the whole procedure of how they would have gassed people in the Brausebad.
Start with the Jews lining up in front of the building and explain it step by step.
I would be happy with that.
You can also just admit you are unable to come up with a rational scenario.

 

[Chugger]

I would be happy with that.
You can also just admit you are unable to come up with a rational scenario.

My good fellow, I should remind you that all of this started with you going off about pipes that "begin and end in the wall" and are just there to look scary. A statement like this automatically makes me question your judgement, about everything actually. And your refusal to address it indicates that in addition to being a fool you are a coward. So we can end this here, I'm ok with that.