The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Catch The Rainbow]

Famous scholars are propagandists who say and add nothing.

so then why do they dispute the 6 million number and suggest lower numbers?

You admit you have no standard of evidence that isn't "jews are always right".

If i thought that what's the point of arguing with you

BTW, our standard of evidence is physical, so if you cannot supply that you have to have very good reasons why, and not "uhh they destroyed it and there's no trace of anything"

>show you pictures of piles of bodies multiple times
>"its not real because i decided it's not"

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/photo/bodies-outside-the-crematorium-at-dachau

https://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675037255_concentration-and-death-camp_piles-of-dead-bodies_leaned-survivors_tortured-prisoners

 

[Armor of God]

so then why do they dispute the 6 million number and suggest lower numbers?

If i thought that what's the point of arguing with you


>show you pictures of piles of bodies multiple times
>"its not real because i decided it's not"

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/photo/bodies-outside-the-crematorium-at-dachau

https://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675037255_concentration-and-death-camp_piles-of-dead-bodies_leaned-survivors_tortured-prisoners

What use is allowing historians to argue about the veracity of the numbers if the only acceptable conclusions are something in the “range” of 6 million ? Because anything in between 5 and 6 million dead is still within the spectrum of what your garden variety NPC is allowed to believe.

What happened when David Irving or Ernst Zundel tried to argue against the Holocaust narrative ? They were effectively smitten into the Earth. Why do you need laws to protect against any substantive discourse on this topic ?

In the pictures that you’ve shown of dead (mostly typhoid related) inmates, does it look like millions of corpses or tens of thousands ?

I accept that perhaps a few hundred thousand kikes (at most) died due to typhoid and starvation at the very end of the war, but that’s it.

All you have is your fallacy of a Holocaust narrative that is so fucking ironclad in its truth that you need literal laws against any real discourse on the topic.

 

[Chugger]

This thread is groundhog day, all of this has been debated before.

The most interesting part was when I talked to a denier who actually took history seriously. This was my last reply to him, and then he left the forum.

https://embed.kiwifarms.st/threads/the-holocaust-thread.68380/post-10717018

You'll see that when he started investigating revisionist claims about Jews being safely resettled in Russia, all he found was a mass trail of death. Then he left the forum. Anyone interested can go back and follow the thread to this point.

A point I would make is every revisionist claim about what happened (whether that be resettlement, or a cover up, or a faked genocide) is embarrassingly unevidenced. In the case of resettlement, it all just leads to shootings or Jews being transported to and disappearing in known death camps.

 

[TJT]

they constantly question it, the entire field of holocaust studies is them questioning the number. Famous holocaust scholars have estimated it to be from 5.2 to 5.7 with nothing happening to them.

you have a habit of making incorrect statements confidently

What if someone estimated 100k or less? That the Jews didn't suffer in any massive way anymore than the rest of the continent did. You grabbing on technicalities that some historians lol estimated 5.6M therefore your claim about nobody estimating under 6M is wrong as some kind of gotcha is the most Jew thing you have done in this thread today.

In fact, far less than the millions of Soviets who absolutely did die to starvation, bullets, and bombs. Far less than the millions of civilians across the continent who got caught up in bombing raids and the general strife caused by the conflict.

That's my argument. Jews are in no way special and do not deserve 5% of the attention they receive for also suffering in the biggest most deadly war ever to touch the European continent. So fucking what, join the club and shut the fuck up.

 

[The Tall Man]

This thread is groundhog day, all of this has been debated before.

The most interesting part was when I talked to a denier who actually took history seriously. This was my last reply to him, and then he left the forum.

https://embed.kiwifarms.st/threads/the-holocaust-thread.68380/post-10717018

You'll see that when he started investigating revisionist claims about Jews being safely resettled in Russia, all he found was a mass trail of death. Then he left the forum. Anyone interested can go back and follow the thread to this point.

A point I would make is every revisionist claim about what happened (whether that be resettlement, or a cover up, or a faked genocide) is embarrassingly unevidenced. In the case of resettlement, it all just leads to shootings or Jews being transported to and disappearing in known death camps.

And then Null said Chugger you are my favorite Jew and thanks to you I stopped denying the holocaust. Then he gave you a special star award and everybody clapped.

A point I would make is every revisionist claim about what happened (whether that be resettlement, or a cover up, or a faked genocide) is embarrassingly unevidenced.

So why did the Germans build a fake gas chamber in Dachau?

 

[Betonhaus]

 

[ENDTOPII]

I will greentext it for the classic /pol/ meme, what I think and add a small pinch of anecdotal family history, so fuck it, I don't plan to visit Israel anyways:

> you got a lot of traitors and outsiders from WW1 fucking things up
> put them to work to prove/re-try their loyalty
> a lot of jews were anti-German, undermined German (Weimar) businesses and exploited them in very immoral ways (like you see today btw)
> you finally got a lot of these immoral people and traitors into prison, they happened to be jews
> "oh vey, they targeted jews"

It was simply just working camps for criminals, and a lot of them just happened to be jews (and brits). After WW2, they took it personally and started the sob stories because they needed political points for Israel from the West for gibbs money (name one debate related to Israel where one jew doesn't cry about the "holocaust", you can't!). A lot of people points to the fact that there were more jews after the said event, and that's simply because you didn't get into a camp because you were jewish, it was because you were a immoral person, and a lot of jews happened to be that. But if you weren't a criminal, you most likely werent going into these camps, and of course there were innocent jews that were off the hook and got kids, some of them probably even got that Nazi pregnant waifu gibbs money to have few kids more (but they probably keept a low profile since they didn't want to risk "guilt by association" tho). Also, keep in mind that even jews could get the honorary Aryan title, so yeah... It's not about being a jew, it's about acting like one.

Reminder that Jews were in charge of many brothels (like with porn and Israeli trafficking today), human experiments (the tranny stuff) and was the only religion that perfomed mutilations on kids at this time in the country. So yeah, no shit they went to prison/camps when Germany tried to fix these problems.

Spoiler: nooticer moment

Jews love to talk about how the Germans were obsesed with eye color, being perverted and doing other human experiments, claiming that German generals were sick and dysgenic and wanted to genocide other races etc. Think about your typical WW2 movie. If you look at modern Jews, they are weirdly obsesed with color and plastic surgery, constantly into weird fetishes and are in the center of killing palestinians for "protecing" their own people (they literally have part about killing off anyone related to Amalek in their texts, "self defense" my ass). Ethnic jews are even prone to a bunch of genetic diseases too, and Israel is pretty big on the whole DNA thing! They are the living proof of projection mentality. Really makes you wonder the shit they say about "Nazis" is just pure projection because they got caught doing the most vile shit imaginable.

Also some other shaddy shit

• Winners write history, so already here you can make shit up (like every single history event and everyone on the internet, including me and the shills).
• Germans were tortured into confessions, the whole Nuremberg Trials was a kangaroo court.
• Soviet Union gulags being used as "Nazi camp" footage is odd, even odder is anyone filming it. Even more odder (we are reaching retard level here...), filming post "liberation"/the war and then claim it was dead jews. Yeah, those bodies could have been anyone. Gypsies? Don't care.
• No documents, but again, even if it was the "most well documented" thing according to wikipedia, anyone can write shit on a piece of paper and say it's "a document". I don't give a shit about paper at this point.
• Madagascar plan? Doesn't sound like a attempt to kill someone, suggesting something like that is a sign that you don't even hate someone that much (yet at least). Considering the Haavara agreement, it seems like the Germans were really patient with the jews, and the jews knew what they were doing.
• ca 100 countries! I know it's the 109 meme, but holy shit come on! Even a bigger meme is the "jealousy" argument jews (and shabbos goys) bring up!
• It sure is odd that you get a whole book in elementary school for free about the Holocaust™ (that you get to keep), but not about your own country and the other text books needs to be returned. The only time the schools can show "horror" on a screen is allegedly holocaust footage too. It really is shoved down your throat in modern education.

If you want an even weirder story, jews were allowed to own land through out the whole WW2 in some of the occupied regions (strategic military areas were often confiscated, but that shit is standard war stuff), but when the Soviet came to these regions, they stripped down everything, not only land but also houses and jewelry! Modern scholars will say that the "Nazis" did this (systematically), this is a complete lie. And no, I don't "conveniently" have any documents for this either.

The Holocaust™ was just a German prison camp program for criminals, it got a brand name and inflated numbers post WW2 for political gibbs money because when Germany lost, jews still wanted Israel to be a thing so they just made shit up (when the Brits werent giving them enough gibbs).

 

[Bonesjones]

so then why do they dispute the 6 million number and suggest lower numbers?

To push the overton window, the only acceptable response is in a predetermined range developed by propagandists with no basis in reality. Again until you can prove otherwise in any way, the number starts at zero. So work from there.

If i thought that what's the point of arguing with you

To push your own jewish defense goals and hope to hide rational discussion that points otherwise, this is proven in every thread about jews you post in.

>show you pictures of piles of bodies multiple times
>"its not real because i decided it's not"

Again you have to prove genocide, which includes intent and means. Showing a pile of dead bodies in a total war that resulted in the deaths of millions for a variety of non genocidal reasons is pointless muddying of the waters. You have to prove intent.

This thread is groundhog day, all of this has been debated before.

The most interesting part was when I talked to a denier who actually took history seriously. This was my last reply to him, and then he left the forum.

Yet you show up to repeat your worthless posts over and over again, because you are a worthless debunked retard who has failed at every attempt at pushing the holocaust all over the internet. When are you going to quote holocaust controversy blog again? You've had months to years to come up with a central thesis to support to prove the holocaust and yet you can't do that. You are literally a dumb worthless nigger.

You'll see that when he started investigating revisionist claims about Jews being safely resettled in Russia, all he found was a mass trail of death. Then he left the forum. Anyone interested can go back and follow the thread to this point.

A point I would make is every revisionist claim about what happened (whether that be resettlement, or a cover up, or a faked genocide) is embarrassingly unevidenced. In the case of resettlement, it all just leads to shootings or Jews being transported to and disappearing in known death camps.

Hey look he found someone who couldn't rationalize the info he found and had doubts and push it as some total win that you are doing something worthwhile, to cover up your abject failure at every move. You didn't do anything, he did his own research. You'll always be a worthless failure.

Yes, the Soviets would cover up their involvement in genocide to push the crime on the Germans, which they had done during the war. So why would they stop? You are just another Jew and communist sympathizer who can't argue their way out of a wet paper bag.

So again, where are the direct orders to genocide jews? Where are the bodies with cyanide poisoning? Why can't they ever be found? Where are the mass graves accounting for more than a small fraction of deaths that can't be explained in any other ways?

 

[Chugger]

Yet you show up to repeat your worthless posts over and over again, because you are a worthless debunked retard who has failed at every attempt at pushing the holocaust all over the internet. When are you going to quote holocaust controversy blog again? You've had months to years to come up with a central thesis to support to prove the holocaust and yet you can't do that. You are literally a dumb worthless nigger.
Hey look he found someone who couldn't rationalize the info he found and had doubts and push it as some total win that you are doing something worthwhile, to cover up your abject failure at every move. You didn't do anything, he did his own research. You'll always be a worthless failure.

Yes, the Soviets would cover up their involvement in genocide to push the crime on the Germans, which they had done during the war. So why would they stop? You are just another Jew and communist sympathizer who can't argue their way out of a wet paper bag.

So again, where are the direct orders to genocide jews? Where are the bodies with cyanide poisoning? Why can't they ever be found? Where are the mass graves accounting for more than a small fraction of deaths that can't be explained in any other ways?

Direct orders eg

In the area behind the central section of the Front, the character of the mass executions began to enter a new stage as a result of the use of the SS Cavalry Brigade. This Brigade carried out a first "cleansing operation" in the Pripet marshes between 29 July and 12 August under the leadership of the Higher SS and Police Leader, by which 13,788 "looters" (i.e. mostly Jews) were shot and 714 were held prisoner. On the side of the Brigade 2 were killed and 15 wounded. Between 17 August and 23 August the Cavalry Brigade initiated a second "action" by which, according to their own report, altogether 699 Red Army men, 1001 partisans and 14,178 Jews were shot. Shortly before these two "actions", Himmler had visited Baranovice where he ordered the brigade to kill all Jewish men and the women as well - although in a different way. From a radio-telegraph text dated August 1 from the Second Cavalry Regiment we can read: "Explicit order of the RFSS. All Jews must be shot. Jewish women to be driven into the swamp."

 

[The Tall Man]

Direct orders eg

Why did the Germans build a fake gas chamber in Dachau?

 

[Chugger]

Why did the Germans build a fake gas chamber in Dachau?

That's your assertion, not mine.

 

[Bonesjones]

Direct orders eg

So your best evidence for the Holocaust is code words? This is why you are a joke of a retard and people with downs syndrome laugh at you.

The real funny part is the burden of proof for genocide during the war is so outrageously high due to actions by the Allies, that doesn't even count even if done with intent. You know since indiscriminately killing civilians wasn't considered a war crime.

This is why you are such a fool. You've spent years of your life researching (copy and pasting quotes from a blog) and debating (getting completely owned by people pointing out your stupidity and ignorance). Yet you've shown no improvement in your ability to even discuss the points you are trying to make. It's actually really sad.

 

[Bonesjones]

That's your assertion, not mine.

https://www.kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de/en/historical-site/virtual-tour/crematorium-area/

So start explaining.

 

[Chugger]

So your best evidence for the Holocaust is code words? This is why you are a joke of a retard and people with downs syndrome laugh at you.

"Explicit order of the RFSS. All Jews must be shot."

https://www.kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de/en/historical-site/virtual-tour/crematorium-area/

So start explaining.

You can read about that here. http://www.nazi-germany-third-reich-covers.com/DachauGasChambers.pdf

It may have been used, but evidence of this is meager.

So the question is not, why did the Nazis build a fake homicidal gas chamber, but why did they build one that wasn't used or barely used. That's an open question. One can certainly speculate. There was a facility nearby that was unquestionably used for killing via gas (@ Hartheim).

 

[Bonesjones]

"Explicit order of the RFSS. All Jews must be shot."

Now give us the full context it was said in, you disingenuous idiot. Stop cherry picking.

It may have been used, but evidence of this is meager.

So the question is not, why did the Nazis build a fake homicidal gas chamber, but why did they build one that wasn't used or barely used. That's an open question. One can certainly speculate. There was a facility nearby that was unquestionably used for killing via gas (@ Hartheim).

Again, put it in context. Why would they build the exact same facilities all over and use them for different purposes? If they were used to delouse clothes and objects in one place and used to kill jews in others. Explain it explicitly. Use your fucking idiot brain for once.

 

[Chugger]

Now give us the full context it was said in, you disingenuous idiot. Stop cherry picking.

Again, put it in context. Why would they build the exact same facilities all over and use them for different purposes? If they were used to delouse clothes and objects in one place and used to kill jews in others. Explain it explicitly. Use your fucking idiot brain for once.

It's been fun but I remember how much time I've given your spergy ass, undeservedly. I'll again refer to my main stay here (probably between pg 50-150?) and suggest readers can look through those conversations if they're interested in the perspective of someone who's studied the history in depth. You should have no problem with this because you think I'm terrible at arguing my position. I disagree and am comfortable with whatever the readers may perceive.

 

[Bonesjones]

It's been fun but I remember how much time I've given your spergy ass, undeservedly

Run away coward. I hope you never return to spread your shitty propaganda again. Btw the context was in the body of text you quoted. You are an absolute failure of a person.

I'll again refer to my main stay here (probably between pg 50-150?) and suggest readers can look through those conversations if they're interested in the perspective of someone who's studied the history in depth. You should have no problem with this because you think I'm terrible at arguing my position. I disagree and am comfortable with whatever the readers may perceive.

You've studied it extensively and have nothing of your own to add? Hey look I'm right again, shameful how often it happens. Why are you comfortable being perceived wrong? Aren't you fighting for the truth? You think the death of millions of people is so unimportant that it shouldn't be scrutinized correctly? Pathetic.

 

[The Tall Man]

It's been fun but I remember how much time I've given your spergy ass

Oh no, the mental dissonance kicked in. Time to run; wouldn't want to damage your identity.

You still haven't answered my question.
Why did the Nazis build a fake (prop) gas chamber in Dachau?


The Nazis even added scary industrial big valves and pipes on the outside, which only a Nazi or congressman that comes to visity would ever see.
Why did the Nazis add big scary pipes that begin and end in the wall?
They are just there to look spooky, why did the Nazis do that?

These are the shoots the Zyklon B pellets were dropped through.
Wait what were those scary pipes for again, gas or something?
Ah no, they were just to look scary.


Why did the Nazis build a fake gas chamber?

 

[Chugger]

Oh no, the mental dissonance kicked in. Time to run; wouldn't want to damage your identity.

You still haven't answered my question.
Why did the Nazis build a fake (prop) gas chamber in Dachau?

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The Nazis even added scary industrial big valves and pipes on the outside, which only a Nazi or congressman that comes to visity would ever see.
Why did the Nazis add big scary pipes that begin and end in the wall?
They are just there to look spooky, why did the Nazis do that?

These are the shoots the Zyklon B pellets were dropped through.
Wait what were those scary pipes for again, gas or something?
Ah no, they were just to look scary.
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Why did the Nazis build a fake gas chamber?

You're saying the gas chamber was definitively non-functional? What's your source for that? "pipes that begin and end in the wall"

 

[The Tall Man]

You're saying the gas chamber was definitively non-functional? What's your source for that? "pipes that begin and end in the wall"

I am asking you what were those pipes for?
And those big industrial valves?
Because there is no inlet in the "Brausebad" and the shower heads are fake shower heads to trick the Jews into thinking they are taking a shower. They are not connected to any pipes at all they are directly stuck into the wall.



These are the zyklon chutes.

Why did the Nazis add those fake pipe on the outside of the gas chamber that only they would see (or a US congressman that come to visit)
Again Why did the Nazis build a fake gas chamber?