The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

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I'll be honest in spite of me being massively antisemitic at this point it came as a pretty big surprise that apparently the best evidence for the holocaust happening at all is some memos describing it aspirationally.

All the bodies/bones were dissolved beyond any recogniton, there were mobile gas chambers that all vanished into nowhere, and all this because they were super bashful about being accused of genocide but also it was an economic impossibility to do anything but use them for slave labor.

Except the eponymous slav POWs were in many cases not used as slaves at all but simply starved and their bones left to bleach.
 
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It's why I keep mentioning the Camobdian Killing Fields. Pol Pot's genocide is a literal mountain of skulls and bones you can go and visit today. But for anything Jews related its always the fucking shoes.

Despite the large number of mass graves all across Europe from the War. Apparently none of them are just for Jews. Or you have to believe their claim that these ones are Jew only mass graves. Somehow you need to differentiate between normal mass graves and Jew mass graves because the Jew ones are worse! You have to believe that even though Nazis confirmed starved millions of Soviet POWs to death, they didn't do this to Jews... Because they wanted to work Jews first then kill them. But they didn't want to work Soviet POWs to death?

Why is it so hard to get consistency here?
 
You know for someone who accuses others of engaging in pilpul you sure do seem to love that form of rhetoric.
Pilpul is argumentation that's used to evade actually conversing about something, which you constantly do. You have zero knowledge of the Holocaust nor history in a thread almost 300 pages long that's discussed it endlessly. So why are you here? What is your motivation?
More worthless ad hominem.
No it's not you fucking retard, that's an ad hominem. Calling you ignorant because you don't know what you are talking about is identifying your ignorance on this topic.
If Jews are an existential threat to humanity then yes, otherwise you're only taking half-measures. You don't deal with cancer by taking it and moving it somewhere else, you purge it from the body.
Why wouldn't he take half measures? Jews are still human and can be allowed to change, unless you are implying something else.
Reading comprehension dumbass; I said it's strange that the only people who ever seem to engage in Holocaust denialism are all motivated by ideology. My pattern-recognizing brain has never noticed a Holocaust denialist who was merely an independent truth-seeker. I've seen people who were skeptical of the Holocaust who were, but never full-blown denialists. Granted, this may be because only those who are ideologically motivated have the will to actually talk about it in a social climate where the Holocaust is taken as unassailable fact.
I'm identifying that your starting point is ideologically motivated. You assume that anyone who questions or denies the holocaust is a Nazi to begin with. Your pattern noticing brain notices what jews have told you to notice, strange. If you read the thread half the people who deny the Holocaust so so because of a search for truth, but again you haven't read it, so you argue from ignorance.
It's funny that you joked that I was a robot who only spouts the same few talking points while you behave like some kind of chatbot. It's like you don't actually parse what I'm arguing, you just know that I'm your opponent and so I must believe such and such a thing and behave in such and such a way.
You are a robot, I've answered you and you don't like the answers so you dodge the conversation and fall back into your routine. I'm not here to spoon feed you readily available information. You can do that on your own. So instead of spending 10 minutes writing a response to page 1 and start there.
Here you are again, characterizing my arguments as "pilpul" so that you don't actually have to engage with them. It's a weird thing to do when I'm not even Jewish. Is your frame of reference so narrow?
At what point haven't I engaged, just because you don't like my response and frame them as faulty doesn't mean they are. I've shown your own faulty argumentation over and over again.
I'm sorry, what? Illegal immigrants are a threat to mankind? I can say quite a few things about illegal immigrants but I don't think that they pose an existential threat to humanity as a whole. And if they did then yes, they should be annihilated because as a threat to humankind, allowing them to exist means that they will pose a threat no matter where they are, unless they're only a threat when they immigrate to other countries illegally and are otherwise nonentities.
Look at you almost getting it.
I'm going to be fully good faith and assume there's some grave miscommunication going on here because equating "people who enter another country illegally" to "a group of people whose modus operandi is to subvert and puppeteer all nations and lead humanity to ruin out of spite" is a bit of a leap.
Almost like the danger is when it happens at your doorstep and doesn't matter when it's halfway across the world.
Do you even know what words mean or are you just a series of blurbs?
The destruction of the Jewish race is not some slippery slope that Hitler was going to fall down because he dared dance with antisemitism, it's the logical conclusion of his ideology, or was he blowing smoke up everyone's ass in Mein Kampf, pretending Jews were an existential threat for political gain?
Tangentially, I also don't know where you got this impression that I think I'm some kind of "argument king" from. Are you sundowning and you've mistaken me for someone else you argued with in this thread? Being retarded myself, I don't have to be the King Of All Arguments to know retardation when I see it.
Its a slippery slope because you've bought into post war propaganda that the aim was the eradication of jews instead of expulsion. Your thought process is built on the Jewish ideology. If they were removed and they stopped being a problem, there's no reason to do anything further.
I'm starting to wonder if you even know what pilpul means or if you just think it's some silver bullet which slays any argument raised against you.
You can easily look up the definition and see how it applies to a controversial topic like the holocaust. You've done that right? I'm identifying how you dodge answering and discussing this directly but respond in roundabout ways that have nothing to do with actually discussing the holocaust.
When have I done this? The closest I think I came to putting words in your mouth was saying that your bigfoot conundrum was intended as a trick question where both answers would lead to the same conclusion.
You on the other hand have consistently ascribed meaning and motive to me which I don't possess, shadowboxing with an imaginary version of me while I watch bewildered from the corner.
I literally quoted you doing it, right there. Of course it's trick question, because it's the logical process of what he said his own methodology was. Remember he said i have no standard of evidence when I've explicitly said what mine was a hundred times in this thread alone. I've even offered a simple test that will make me shut up about the holocaust forever, but again you've never read the thread.
This is the most slippery, evasive non-answer I've ever seen. Are you certain you aren't a member of the Tribe?
No it's a direct answer. You just don't like it because you are fishing for a response so you can discredit me.

The question should it have happened presupposes the idea that it did happen. Should the Californian's have genocided all those Bigfoots? It's a stupid question to ask.

Jews do most of the things they are accused of and are an evil and immoral people. They use every trick they can to hide behind their awful fake religion. Does that mean I want them all indiscriminately killed? No, punishments should fit the crime.
 
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In the first set of pictures you see a truck slightly out of view, were those being loaded on or off? Who put them there? If it was genocide and they were trying to cover it up, why weren't they using lime or open pit fires to cremate them? Why does your every argument fall apart under the most basic scrutiny? All you have is editorialized pictures.

In the second set which is already been debunked many times. You have blury pictures with no German uniforms or identifying information burning corpses. Supposedly taken by a jew who was strip searched on arrival but hide a camera somewhere. Did he hide a camera in his ass? How did he get it there?

As many people have said, they had more than enough capacity to cremate the gassed jews, so why would they need to cremate them in open fires?

So it looks like another case of pictures being staged and editorialized to be something they aren't. We see piles of dead bodies from Typhus which everyone knows killed tons of people and they actively fought at every step of the way, and when that failed cremated the bodies to stop the spread. So there you go, your delousing chambers become gas chambers and your cremated genocided jews becomes routine Healthcare. The only genocide is the brain cells of anyone who reads your posts.

Anne Frank died in a hospital of Typhus after passing through multiple camps, your poster child of the Holocaust is proof of German innocence. Her father ran a food ration forgery ring so jews could eat better than everyone else. He was literally taking food from starving children. How delightfully Jewish of him.
 
This is worse and more special than the millions of other people whose bodies were piled up across the continent?


I don't have a dog in this race but this is just stupid. "He didn't actually MEAN it when he said he wanted Total Kike Death."
You misunderstand me. If you take this one line you need to take the position that this single line led to the facilitation of the lolcaust. Because things like the Wannsee conference literally never mention it. You have to take the Jew narrative that everything was conveniently a euphemism for exactly what they want you to believe, rather than Germans writing things or speaking about things literally even at the highest levels. Which is silly.
 
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Were there really 17 million jews before the "Holocaust"? They kept using the "6 million dead" number for years relating to any violent event that had jews in it, and even Holocaust was used as a term decades before it stuck forever in their eternal Shoah, so the more you think about it...the more the Jew raises his brows.
 
photos taken illegally by Sonderkommandos.
Did you ever wonder how these Jewish inmates got cameras?
Average people owning cameras was still extremely rare back then.
And why would they allow Jewish inmates to keep a camera if it was a super secret death camp?
Because you are not smuggling one of those old cameras into a super secret death camp.

It's not like diamonds you can eat shit out and eat again over and over until you are released.
Were there really 17 million jews before the "Holocaust"?
Looking at the graph it looks like false data to me.

I made a little graph.
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I made a little visual aid of Jewish world population from 1500 to 2022.
Seems totally legit.

From 1880 (7.8mil) to 1939 (16.7mil) according to the Jewish virtual library Jews had a population growth like rabbits.
Is this why the word rabbi is so close to the word rabbit?

Census data get's less reliable the further back you go and only towards the late 20th century did it become decent.

With Jews in Europe you aren't talking about just the number of people living inside a country, you talk about a people that often hide their Jewish identity and are spread out over many countries and are mostly counted as citizen of the country the live in.

All the Jewish institutions that claim to have the numbers are just guessing.
Where would they get those numbers from? Nobody was keeping track of the number of Jews in Europe.

They use retrodiction, the Jewish population numbers from the 70s 80s etc. are known and they plot it backwards and then add 6million before 1940.
 
Census data get's less reliable the further back you go and only towards the late 20th century did it become decent.

With Jews in Europe you aren't talking about just the number of people living inside a country, you talk about a people that often hide their Jewish identity and are spread out over many countries and are mostly counted as citizen of the country the live in.

All the Jewish institutions that claim to have the numbers are just guessing.
Where would they get those numbers from? Nobody was keeping track of the number of Jews in Europe.

They use retrodiction, the Jewish population numbers from the 70s 80s etc. are known and they plot it backwards and then add 6million before 1940.
So in reality, in order to push their message that 6 million really did die, they artificially raise the number of jews before 1940 over the span of a few decades, so a more realistic number would be, of course, a couple hundred thousand in Europe dead, as there were also other people to take account for so possible the amount of dead was mostly consistent of other types of "undesirables", as well as war criminals like the Soviets. Even then a good chunk of them were also mostly living in America so they ignore them.
 
So in reality, in order to push their message that 6 million really did die, they artificially raise the number of jews before 1940 over the span of a few decades, so a more realistic number would be, of course, a couple hundred thousand in Europe dead, as there were also other people to take account for so possible the amount of dead was mostly consistent of other types of "undesirables", as well as war criminals like the Soviets. Even then a good chunk of them were also mostly living in America so they ignore them.
Historians just take the 6 million number from Holocaust experts without question, and if you are a historian who doesn't, then you will lose your job, be subject to lifelong lawfare, and might get your house burned down.

According to modern Holocaust orthodoxy, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; according to the NSDAP, there were 11 million Jews in Europe.
That just shows you what a mess estimating the Jewish population of Europe was before more comprehensive census data became the norm.
 
Historians just take the 6 million number from Holocaust experts without question, and if you are a historian who doesn't, then you will lose your job, be subject to lifelong lawfare, and might get your house burned down.
they constantly question it, the entire field of holocaust studies is them questioning the number. Famous holocaust scholars have estimated it to be from 5.2 to 5.7 with nothing happening to them.

you have a habit of making incorrect statements confidently
 
they constantly question it, the entire field of holocaust studies is them questioning the number. Famous holocaust scholars have estimated it to be from 5.2 to 5.7 with nothing happening to them.
>Ackchyually there is a variaty from 5.2 to 5.7
Thank you very cool.

you have a habit of making incorrect statements confidently
Do you refer to me quoting you talking about your own religion?
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Do you seriously not know what happened to David Irving or Fred Leuchter?
 
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Do you refer to me quoting you talking about your own religion?
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again, just because you don't understand what something means in your limited brain doesnt mean it's not true. Posting this as a gotcha when you deliberately ignore what the Talmud says about that in plain text as a "fringe interpretation" marks you for a fool every time you post this

>Ackchyually there is a variaty from 5.2 to 5.7
Thank you very cool.
>you say yourself you can't say there's less than 6 million as a historian or else ZOG comes after you
>i point out examples where historians have said there's far less than 6 million dead with no issues
>you can't counter this and go back to to the "gotcha" that shows off how stupid you are

this shit happens every time lmao, you have a narc need to be right.
 
they constantly question it, the entire field of holocaust studies is them questioning the number. Famous holocaust scholars have estimated it to be from 5.2 to 5.7 with nothing happening to them.

you have a habit of making incorrect statements confidently
I notice you've taken the usual Jewish gambit of ignoring things you don't or won't want to answer and also pretending previous conversations don't exist to start on your predetermined train of thought. The entire field of Holocaust studies doesn't exist, there is only propaganda. Famous scholars are propagandists who say and add nothing.


You admit you have no standard of evidence that isn't "jews are always right". This thread is full of Holocaust scholars and we all say the holocaust body count is zero. If you want to debate that number is higher, present your evidence. BTW, our standard of evidence is physical, so if you cannot supply that you have to have very good reasons why, and not "uhh they destroyed it and there's no trace of anything"
 
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