The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Bonesjones]

what do you get from denying the holocaust? if anything, you should be doubling down that it did not only happen, but it should've gone further and there should be another one to compensate.

The truth is important, that's why we know it didn't happen. Most of us don't have blind hatred for jews just the way they act.

They know it happened. They pretend to believe it didn't just to get a rise out of normies. Unfortunately for them, this retarded strategy has yet to work in any country. Denying various other genocides, which had nothing to do with the Reich at all, certainly hasn't helped their plight. The Turks have had more success denying genocide than these autists. The Turks. These men have no excuse for failing.

It didn't happen, you just continously assert it does because you are Jewish and will always be a Jewish appologist. Holocaust denial is ridiculed and ignored because the holocaust as a narrative has no ground to stand on. So it's given a cover story and allows no further look into it on any serious level because we all know the truth is it didn't happen and can't be proved in any way.

look into zionism and how Israel was founded, the holocaust has very little to do with it. The whole "world felt sorry for Jews so it gave them a state" narrative is essentially made up.

The holocaust wasn't pushed hard until the mid 60s as a trick to cover from Isreal's genocide.

What's really interesting to me is how Holocaust deniers tend to be Nazis or Nazi sympathetic people. The holocaust is arguably the greatest victory against Jews in history and these people are such cuckolds that they cannot even accept that they won for a bit, they have to pretend like all evidence of their victory is made up and justify it with stupid questions.

Yeah why would people who discover jews as a whole are awful liars who have extorted billions of dollars worldwide have sympathies for the victims of holocaust rhetoric. It's not a victory to stand against evil, it's just a war that never ends. Most holocaust deniers don't want jews exterminated they just want them to stop doing evil things. You of course would never understand that being Jewish and all.

For example, @Bonesjones keeps on using the "gotcha" of no Jewish victims of gassing were autopsied. This is despite clear historical evidence that Jews who were gassed were immediately cremated, it's impossible to autopsy ashes. You have to be deliberately ignorant or uniquely stupid to think this is a gotcha.

You just admitted there is no physical proof for anyone being gassed. I just won you fucking idiot.

The first post on this page excuses the genocide of Russo-Germans by the Soviets in a roundabout attempt to deny Germany's genocide of Jews! It makes no sense at all. The absurdity still brings a smile to my face.

You are trying to conflate two different things thinking they are equivalent but fail to see how both are just more proof of how communism is evil.

My intuition as to why they don't is because it's so socially unacceptable to do so. But after a while you really start to feel how pathetic it is. There's so much circumstantial evidence that something has to have happened. Is there some exaggeration? It's the Jews, of course there is. But is it really that hard to believe that the Jews got hit by a pogrom again after the n'th time?

What evidence? Stories? They literally admit they have no proof.

I like you but if you took a single step backward you would recognize that any time The Tribe has come up you defend it the best you can. As expected.

He's an Orthodox jew, he will defend jews no matter what.

 

[draggs]

With a gun to their head? Are you suggesting these prisoners, on trial for the same alleged crimes as the ones they'd testified to, weren't making statements favorable to the prosecution, under duress? It was all completely voluntary?

"The 20th century was the absolute high point of propoganda and spy mania, but my side definitely never forged evidence to paint ourselves as innocent lambs against a satanically evil enemy. We really were the unambiguous good guys facing down an undeniable evil. This is the only time in history that's ever happened."
-The one nigger on Earth immune to propoganda.

And no one noticed this and objected or spilled the beans at the time

The Jew is truly a force of nature. Like Godzilla

 

[A Real Munson]

And no one noticed this and objected or spilled the beans at the time

The Jew is truly a force of nature. Like Godzilla

Are you asking if anyone at the time had contradicted the testimony, or are you asking why the show trials would have not thrown out testimony that was extracted through coercion?

"Some claim the conquering army were charging people with human rights violations, which were outlawed ex post facto. If this were the case, why didn't they object? "

Damn, I have been BTFOd with facts and logic. Is this really what you're hanging your hat on?

"The prisoners of the conquered army, after surrendering unconditionally, have already confessed to breaking laws we just invented. Case closed."

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

You just admitted there is no physical proof for anyone being gassed. I just won you fucking idiot

Other than the actual chambers, testimony of people who did it, orders, experimental gas vans, etc. I said there's no corpses and you took that to mean that no physical proof of gassing ever existed despite gas chambers existing.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/testimonies-of-ss-men-regarding-gassing-of-prisoners

Gas Vans

The use of gas vans in Holocaust

www.deathcamps.org

Yeah why would people who discover jews as a whole are awful liars who have extorted billions of dollars worldwide have sympathies for the victims of holocaust rhetoric

Didn't answer my question at all.

 

[Bonesjones]

Other than the actual chambers

Made up by Russians

testimony of people who did it

Achieved through torture

orders

Where? The Wansee conference where they explicitly said expulsion?

experimental gas vans,

Never existed outside the ones Communists used

I said there's no corpses and you took that to mean that no physical proof of gassing ever existed despite gas chambers existing.

You assert something without evidence, it can be automatically dismissed. Which you admit to doing. You've made your own retard grave. The whole point is it's a trick to get you to admit you can't prove any of it one way or the other.

Didn't answer my question at all.

Just because you refuse to accept the answer, doesn't mean it wasn't answered.

We can play the Jewish circular argument pilpul forever. I'll always be right and you'll always be wrong. You'll continue saying evidence exist and I'll just keep telling you to show it, you'll never be able to, then you'll dodge to another piece of evidence that supposedly exists but can never be found. You aren't clever, you are just a dumb cultists. God hates you and that's why jews live in a hell of their own making.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Made up by Russians

Achieved through torture

Where? The Wansee conference where they explicitly said expulsion?

Never existed outside the ones Communists used

You assert something without evidence, it can be automatically dismissed. Which you admit to doing. You've made your own retard grave. The whole point is it's a trick to get you to admit you can't prove any of it one way or the other.

Just because you refuse to accept the answer, doesn't mean it wasn't answered.

We can play the Jewish circular argument pilpul forever. I'll always be right and you'll always be wrong. You'll continue saying evidence exist and I'll just keep telling you to show it, you'll never be able to, then you'll dodge to another piece of evidence that supposedly exists but can never be found. You aren't clever, you are just a dumb cultists. God hates you and that's why jews live in a hell of their own making.

So the only evidence that's true is evidence that you personally agree with and any other evidence isn't real. Any Nazis confessing to anything is either made up or extracted through torture, any physical evidence is faked by the Soviets, and recorded orders by Hitler didn't exist. Apparently third party workers who weren't involved in Nazi activities aren't reliable either regarding the gas van:

Mr. Jozef Piaskowski (b. 190 was employed in the Reichsstraßenbauamt in Kolo (former Ostrowski factory). In the winter 1941/42 he was ordered to repair the damaged cooler in the biggest of Chelmno vans. Piaskowski was an experienced driver. He declared later that he has never seen the motor of this type. "The motor was a bit odd". "It was enormous". The most interesting in his report is the description of the exhaust system. He has noticed that the exhaust pipe was divided into three parts. First and third were done of metal as in normal cars. But, the central part was done of the elastic, "hydraulic" pipe which could joint both standard tubes or could be screwed to the holen the van's floor. After the repair of the cooler, when the motor was tested, so much exhaust fumes were produced that the air in the garage (size 30 m x 12 m) started immediately to be blue. The German bosses ordered to open all windows and doors. The workers who spent a very short time in the polluted air have got headache. The witness heard later their comments that the motor of this car uses 75 liters of petrol per 100 km, so twice more than normal motors do. Piaskowski stated that he had seen two military type gas-masks in the driver's cab. Piaskowski's colleague, Mr. Bronislaw Mankowski (b. 1882), confirmed his story and added that he had seen the van when the middle part of the exhaust tube was joint to the hole in the car's floor. Mankowski declared that he looked inside the box when the watchmen left their posts for a while. He had seen a hole covered with a perforated sheet iron in the middle of the wooden floor.
Another witness, Mr. Bronislaw Falborski (b. 1910), was employed in the Kraft company in Kolo where the vehicles of the SS-Sonderkommando Kulmhof were repaired starting from 1942. In the summer of 1942 he received the order to repair one of the gas vans. His description of the exhaust pipe is in general the same as done by witnesses cited above. The only (but important) difference is the description of the connection of elastic pipe with the hole in the car's floor. According to Falborski (who made even a picture) they were joint by two fasteners tightened by four screws. It seems that this connection was permanent, quite difficult to change and only optionally substituted by the standard connection of both metal parts of the exhaust pipe as in normal cars. Falborski's report seems reliable as his task was to make this connection air-tight by the change of the packing between two fasteners.
The cases of the repair of gas vans in the local workshops of Kolo seem to be rare and exceptional. Probably it happened only in necessity when it was impossible to use military - or SS-motor services.

Or you bring up the Wannsee conference as a gotcha when the Reich Chancellery meeting of 12 December 1941 had Hitler talk about the annihilation of Jews.

Regarding the Jewish question, the Führer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that, if they yet again brought about a world war, they would experience their own annihilation. That was not just a phrase. The world war is here, the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence.

This requires actually looking into the history being objective instead of being a seething hatred filled swarthoid like you so makes sense that you didn't read my sources or look into things.

 

[Betonhaus]

Most holocaust deniers don't want jews exterminated they just want them to stop doing evil things. You of course would never understand that being Jewish and all

The biggest problem with that is that Jews have repeatedly demonstrated that they will never stop as long as they are around meaning that once hope for a middle ground fades, difficult choices have to be made.

 

[Kapros]

Either the Holocaust happened exactly as we're told it did, and then the jews set to work annihilating their liberators after being invited into their nations, or it didn't happen exactly as we're told it did, but the jews said otherwise and then set to work annihilating their liberators after being invited into their nations. Only one of these possibilities can be true, but one of them must be true. I'm not sure it really even matters which is true when the outcome was the same in either case.

 

[Bonesjones]

So the only evidence that's true is evidence that you personally agree with and any other evidence isn't real. Any Nazis confessing to anything is either made up or extracted through torture, any physical evidence is faked by the Soviets, and recorded orders by Hitler didn't exist. Apparently third party workers who weren't involved in Nazi activities aren't reliable either regarding the gas van:

All of that has been addressed in this thread repeatedly and shown to be bullshit, its not my job to force you to read. You can just keep lying and pretending this evidence exists when it doesn't and I'll keep calling you a retard. Again you can't ever win because you can never actually post anything proving your claims. And no some guy talking about seeing a gas van doesn't mean they existed. You have to provide an actual example of one. "WELL THE NAZIS ARE SO EVIL THEY USED DISINTERGRATION RAYS ON ALL OF THE EVIDENCE SO IT DOESNT EXIST BUT A JEW SAID HE SAW IT". Jewish words are worthless. Post proof or fuck off.

Or you bring up the Wannsee conference as a gotcha when the Reich Chancellery meeting of 12 December 1941 had Hitler talk about the annihilation of Jews.

Yeah when you mistranslate people's words, you can make them say anything. Too bad we had broken German encryption before the war and couldn't find one piece of evidence that they talked about the holocaust happening. Those crafty Nazis, using their psychic powers to lose a war but also to pointlessly move jews around and make Rube Goldberg machines to genocide them.

This requires actually looking into the history being objective instead of being a seething hatred filled swarthoid like you so makes sense that you didn't read my sources or look into things.

Lmao. You have no sources. You have nothing. Otherwise you could just post it. What's a swarthoid? Jesus you are so emotional over being retarded you fall apart mentally over nothing.

The biggest problem with that is that Jews have repeatedly demonstrated that they will never stop as long as they are around meaning that once hope for a middle ground fades, difficult choices have to be made.

I can remain autistic longer than they can stay retarded.

 

[A Real Munson]

So the only evidence that's true is evidence that you personally agree with and any other evidence isn't real.

"The cases of the repair of gas vans in the local workshops of Kolo seem to be rare and exceptional. Probably it happened only in necessity when it was impossible to use military - or SS-motor services.
The Chelmno death center stopped to operate many months before the liberation of this site. The gas vans were very easy to move from the area of Chelmno-Kolo and to change into standard vans with very little signs of their previous function. It is very difficult to think that SS murders (who tried to destroy all evidences of genocide, like crematoria, camps, corpses, etc.) could simply forget a gas van near to Chelmno or elsewhere."

Why did you leave off this last paragraph? It seems like an important bit of context, especially given the nature of this discussion.

That does make it sound like none of these vans were ever recovered.

Edit, formatting error

 

[TJT]

Other than the actual chambers, testimony of people who did it, orders, experimental gas vans, etc. I said there's no corpses and you took that to mean that no physical proof of gassing ever existed despite gas chambers existing.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/testimonies-of-ss-men-regarding-gassing-of-prisoners

Gas Vans

The use of gas vans in Holocaust

www.deathcamps.org

Didn't answer my question at all.

Asshole the entire Wansee Conference, supposedly the most glaring evidence of ordered exterminations, contains nothing but supposed euphemisms.

You have to believe Jew propaganda that they were euphemisms in the first place.

Even with your Reich Chancellory quote you have to extrapolate that he meant total extermination from that once sentence.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

That does make it sound like none of these vans were ever recovered.

They weren't, that's why they went off testimony from people who worked on it.

And no some guy talking about seeing a gas van doesn't mean they existed. You have to provide an actual example of one

Multiple people who were there and back up each other's stories with zero connection to any political party is reliable according to any court lol

Yeah when you mistranslate people's words, you can make them say anything.

This was literally recorded in multiple dairies of top ranking Nazis like Goebbels and Hans Frank. The original German text in Goebbels diary is:

Bezüglich der Judenfrage ist der Führer entschlossen, reinen Tisch zu machen. Er hat den Juden prophezeit, daß, wenn sie noch einmal einen Weltkrieg herbeiführen würden, sie dabei ihre Vernichtung erleben würden. Das ist keine Phrase gewesen. Der Weltkrieg ist da, die Vernichtung des Judentums muß die notwendige Folge sein.

Translate it yourself if you don't know German

Lmao. You have no sources. You have nothing. Otherwise you could just post it.

I did, you freaked out and said it's not real

Asshole the entire Wansee Conference, supposedly the most glaring evidence of ordered exterminations, contains nothing but supposed euphemisms.

You have to believe Jew propaganda that they were euphemisms in the first place.

Even with your Reich Chancellory quote you have to extrapolate that he meant total extermination from that once sentence.

Apparently "The world war is here, the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence," somehow doesn't mean all the Jews?

 

[Bonesjones]

Either the Holocaust happened exactly as we're told it did, and then the jews set to work annihilating their liberators after being invited into their nations, or it didn't happen exactly as we're told it did, but the jews said otherwise and then set to work annihilating their liberators after being invited into their nations. Only one of these possibilities can be true, but one of them must be true. I'm not sure it really even matters which is true when the outcome was the same in either case.

Just a reminder that when you say the holocaust is a lie and millions of jews weren't murdered, their response is never one of relief. They would rather imagine millions of their brethren were killed to justify their own sick fantasies and extort money from dumb goy.

Why did you leave off this last paragraph? It seems like an important bit of context, especially given the nature of this discussion.

That does make it sound like none of these vans were ever recovered.

Remember that the picture in the Wikipedia article is a Russian van. They are all fundamentally dishonest at every level, and constantly project their own crimes on everyone else.

 

[TJT]

Apparently "The world war is here, the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence," somehow doesn't mean all the Jews?

You have to extrapolate from this one line that an entire lolcaust was pursued?

 

[Bonesjones]

Multiple people who were there and back up each other's stories with zero connection to any political party is reliable according to any court lol

No it's not, eye witness testimony is worthless without supporting evidence, which you fail to supply at all levels. According to your logic, Bigfoot is more real than the holocaust. Do you believe in Bigfoot?

This was literally recorded in multiple dairies of top ranking Nazis like Goebbels and Hans Frank. The original German text in Goebbels diary is:

More shit discussed and debunked in this thread. You play your circle argument games because you have nothing.

I did, you freaked out and said it's not real

I've never freaked out, and it's not real. You just keep posting things that have been disproven over and over again in this very thread. You claim and claim and when pushed no evidence. You have a narrative in search of facts so you attempt to piecemeal then together out of anything you can squabble together while leaving out context and discounting information. You are fundamentally dishonest and a terrible person.

Apparently "The world war is here, the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence," somehow doesn't mean all the Jews?

Funny you leave out the word "prophecy". Why would you attempt to subvert a quote when it says something completely different than what you claim, when it's right there. You literally are retarded. I thought jews are smart?

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

You have to extrapolate from this one line that an entire lolcaust was pursued?

Considering the context yes. It's not like they weren't already mass slaughtering Jews in russia, it just got more efficient.

Why would you attempt to subvert a quote when it says something completely different than what you claim, when it's right there.

Because the point is the same. "I told Jews if we get into a world war they will be destroyed" doesn't need to be before "We're in a world war, the Jews must be destroyed" for the central point to get across.

I've never freaked out, and it's not real

If you don't like it, it's not real. If you like it, it's real. Actual standards of evidence don't matter to you.

Just a reminder that when you say the holocaust is a lie and millions of jews weren't murdered, their response is never one of relief. They would rather imagine millions of their brethren were killed to justify their own sick fantasies and extort money from dumb goy.

"I told the guy whose father died in 9/11 that it never happened and he's somehow upset. He probably enjoys his dad being dead!"

 

[Bonesjones]

Considering the context yes. It's not like they weren't already mass slaughtering Jews in russia, it just got more efficient.

Yeah people die in wars, that's the point.

Because the point is the same. "I told Jews if we get into a world war they will be destroyed" doesn't need to be before "We're in a world war, the Jews must be destroyed" for the central point to get across.

"I am personally going to murder every jew" is nothing like "the consequences of your action will be your own annihilation". They are two different concepts genius. You are really really bad at this.

If you don't like it, it's not real. If you like it, it's real. Actual standards of evidence don't matter to you.

"You dismiss my superior jew nothingness, you don't believe anything even when I fail to show you it". Again you are an Orthodox jew, the Talmud says you can lie to non jews with no issues. So we can never believe anything jews say. Which is why you have to provide primary evidence, you fail at this on every occasion. You are constantly shown to manipulate everything you attempt to show, and you do it poorly. The only standards you have are believe all jews over all goys. That's why this is all so funny. Remember you don't even believe in God, you believe in a silly form of legalese based on nothing, your own holy book says God doesn't matter. Which is why you'll never stop loving old Rabbis who suck baby penis. You'd rather associate with child rapists than people who are good at heart. You can't deny any of it either because it shows in your every action.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

"You dismiss my superior jew nothingness, you don't believe anything even when I fail to show you it". Again you are an Orthodox jew, the Talmud says you can lie to non jews with no issues. So we can never believe anything jews say. Which is why you have to provide primary evidence, you fail at this on every occasion. You are constantly shown to manipulate everything you attempt to show, and you do it poorly. The only standards you have are believe all jews over all goys. That's why this is all so funny. Remember you don't even believe in God, you believe in a silly form of legalese based on nothing, your own holy book says God doesn't matter. Which is why you'll never stop loving old Rabbis who suck baby penis. You'd rather associate with child rapists than people who are good at heart. You can't deny any of it either because it shows in your every action.

Seeth harder and pretend you know anything about Judaism. /Pol/ shit posts aren't accurate

Yeah people die in wars, that's the point.

In well documented mass slaughters that were targeting Jews ie first stage of Holocaust.

"I am personally going to murder every jew" is nothing like "the consequences of your action will be your own annihilation". They are two different concepts genius. You are really really bad at this

They were already mass slaughtering Jews in russia as I pointed out, this is just Hitler verbally approving of it and saying that it will continue. Wheres your mistranslation talking point btw, it's suddenly gone once I posted the original German text

 

[Tablet County]

You have to extrapolate from this one line that an entire lolcaust was pursued?

I don't have a dog in this race but this is just stupid. "He didn't actually MEAN it when he said he wanted Total Kike Death."

 

[Bonesjones]

Seeth harder and pretend you know anything about Judaism. /Pol/ shit posts aren't accurate

I know more than you, funny enough. So how's that belief in Bigfoot?

In well documented mass slaughters that were targeting Jews ie first stage of Holocaust.

So they killed jews in mass slaughters before they gassed and cremated them? Why would they do number 2 if number 1 was working? You can't not self own. "See they were committing mass murder, but that wasn't working so they rounded them up, put them in camps, THEN, murdered them in Rube Goldberg machines instead".

They were already mass slaughtering Jews in russia as I pointed out, this is just Hitler verbally approving of it and saying that it will continue. Wheres your mistranslation talking point btw, it's suddenly gone once I posted the original German text

No you just pretend what you posted said something entirely different. You have no argument, you are just dodging again. Pathetic.

I don't have a dog in this race but this is just stupid. "He didn't actually MEAN it when he said he wanted Total Kike Death."

See he wanted them all dead, so he put them in camps and attempted to move them to Madagascar until France blocked it, so they instead exported them to Russia. That Hitler, so evil.