What's the evidence for this exactly? I understand that the census data about the amount of Jews in USSR post war shows a very low number. This is not evidence that in any way supports your position.
Are you a mental incompetent? Everyone did propaganda. Goebbels' official title was 'Reichspropagandaleitung'. This doesn't equate with faking a genocide, which as I said " would necessarily include forging hundreds of documents including recorded speeches, destroying all evidence of resettlement, somehow silencing millions of witnesses"
This is why I don't want to go to Rodoh lol
Sir, are you saying the Nazis never used coded language (eg resettlement) to describe mass killings?
1. Why not?
How Many Jews Are There in the Soviet Union? Author(s): Joshua Rothenberg Source: Jewish Social Studies, Vol. 29, No. 4 (Oct., 1967), pp. 234-240 Published by: Indiana University Press Stable URL:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/4466361
"On the other hand, a substantial number of war evacuees from the western
republics of the Ukraine, Byelorussia, Moldavia and the Baltic who have settled in various towns of the RSFSR, remained in the RSFSR after the war. It is impossible to determine their number since, unfortunately, the 1959 census did not include a question on former residence (which, incidentally, the 1926 Soviet census did include). We know that in the Ural and in Siberia which absorbed most of the evacuated in the war industrial plants, together with their employees and workers, Jewish communities have considerably increased in size (particularly in the towns of Sverdlovsk, Chelabinsk, Magnitogorsk, Irkutsk). Salomon Schwartz, in his discussion of the size of the Jewish population in the RSFSR, also expressed amazement at the unexpectedly low figure of 875,000 Jews that the 1959 census had found in the republic."
And
"If we have come to the conclusion that significant numbers of Jews have not divulged their Jewish identity in the RSFSR, a question will arise as to whether
a similar phenomenon has not taken place in other republics of the Soviet Union as well.
It is unquestionable that the situation in the other republics, especially in the Ukraine and Byelorussia (where almost half of the Jewish population of the Soviet Union resided in 1959) is much different than in the RSFSR, and for the following reasons:
First, Jews who live in the large towns of the RSFSR, like Leningrad and Moscow, are much more linguistically and culturally assimilated than the Jews of the former Pale of Settlement. Most visibly is this demonstrated by the high proportion of writers and intellectuals of Jewish descent active in the large centers of Russian culture who consider themselves to be Russians, even if the entry in their passports indicates diffxrently. The estrangement from Jewishness is even more pronounced in the more remote regions of the RSFSR, where Jews have lived in smaller groups and were for a long time separated from the bulk of Soviet Jewry. Their Jewish descent was in many cases not even known to the townspeople who considered them to be as Russian as themselves. Secondly, many of the Jews in the non-Russian areas of the country have been dispatched there by the central Soviet authorities in official capacities, as administrators and technicians. To the non-Russian population they are known as Russians (Ruskii) which to them often means anyone who is not a native. It would be awkward, sometimes unpleasant for these Jews to divulge for the census-takers, who are local people, that their nationality is different from what has been publicly known.
For these reasons the number of Jews who have declared another nationality (in most cases that of Russian) would be higher in the RSFSR and also in the Asian and Caucasian areas than in the Ukraine and Byelorussia, where Jews are not as assimilated, and are usually known to their neighbors as Jews.
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http://about.jstor.org/terms240 JEWISH SOCIAL STUDIES It must be added here that it would be a mistake to assume, as it often is being assumed, that all Jews in the Soviet Union are marked as Jews in their passports. During the upheavals of the war, the bombings, hasty evacuations and frequent dislocations, a number of people lost their passports. The receipt of a new passport was a convenient occasion for some of those who felt burdened by their Jewishness, to change their nationality status. Some may have even added a little effort "to lose" their passports, especially during the "black years" of 1948-1953, when antisemitism erupted into the open as never before, and the Soviet Jews expected (probably with good reason) that wagons were being prepared for the wholesale deportation of Jews to Siberia. A passport marked "Jew" was feared to be tantamount to a verdict of deportation."
2. Why doesn't propaganda equate with faking a genocide?
3. You don't go to rodoh because you're a coward who likes to bully the ignorant on kiwifarms hoping to claim a scalp then brag about it here.
Zo denies the Nazis used code words for killing, but is embarrassed by the fact that his daddy Mattogno admits that the Nazis used code words for killing. He says for example that "special treatment" frequently was used as a code-word killing. Although he denies that it meant killing in all contexts.
(It is very silly for Mattogno to act as if this is a ground-breaking argument.
Obviously "special treatment" did not refer to killing in all German documents. For in addition to the code-war-usage - which Mattogno concedes - "special treatment" can simply connote being given preferential treatment, as it does in English.)
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Special treatment was literally special treatment, as you just showed, it could mean privileged treatment too. This defeats the resettlement equaled murder allegation as resettlement is found frequently by many different people in many different conversations.
Anyway yeeeaahh, see attached, from the book you just quoted, another accusation blows up in your face.
Mrolonzo,
1. Yea argue with them on the resettlement documents and what not.
2. No just plain old expulsions and deportations, not talking about the
genocide. My point still stands. Poles talk, why not Jews.
3. You literally said that at least a million Jews all decided to unanimously say “let’s not talk about this.” You would need state intervention but you need the Jews themselves to also shut themselves up even though everyone still thinks the holocaust happened. Why has not a single Jew, I’m asking only for one right now, say “everyone is lying about this holocaust! I’m proof of it”?
You are also ignoring that historians themselves would have found or recorded these Jews. Deniers have been alive for decades, and none of them ever found a single Jew who was deported east?
4. I’ve already said that demographic studies are irrelevant for us right now. You can read my previous messages as to why. I’m even “conceding” and going with just one million Jews total. That’s assuming we don’t go with Kues.
5.
“Hey, do you have a single witness supporting that Jews were deported east?”
LOL you want 6 gorillion witnesses XDXDXDXD
This is your brain on holocaust denial.
At least Lemmingwise just says “yea they were shot”
6. What? They did speak on it. That’s what the BBC article was. Chechens speak, why not Jews.
7. No one is interesting in digging because not enough people give a shit to spend the money to dig lol. Either convince a millionaire that the holocaust didn’t happened or somehow make denial mainstream enough for it.
8. How the fuck is “I got deported to the east and all my money gone” isn’t worth sympathy? Why would Jews not milk this to the end? You think deporting is just a normal thing everyone does? And that even decades after it not a single Jew decided to milk it? Or ever mention it? What?
Jews love to get sympathy for being persecuted, except for the one time where it disagrees with my opinions.
9. You also refused to answer Chugger’s main question. I’ll say it for him
“a significant portion of the millions of deported Jews concealed their identities to avoid anti semitism (which would include abandoning their religion, taking on fake names, Western and Polish Jews learning Russian with a believable accent)”
Do you think at least a million Jews were capable of doing this? Do you have any evidence they did?
1. Yeeeaahh nah, just refuting your point. Don't get mad.
2. Different scenarios.
3. Strawman desperate nonsense.
4. How can demographic studies be irrelevant in this context? Are you asserting that Jews are thus gassed buried, dug up and re buried on this basis?
5. Yeah some were shot, obviously, it just wasn't a holocaust. What's so hard about that?
6. Do they? We'd expect a ton more tales about it. Oh well. Guess that means the chechens were exterminated by Stalin right?
7. Nonsense. Actual ground study has been prevented at the AR camps and the Auschwitz museum isn't about to let anyone dig around its grounds. Not that it matters now. The studies that were done found enough evidence to debunk the holocaust.
8. Jews weren't the only ones deported around Europe. There were massive multi racial and ethnic movement across Europe. Similarly in Palestine too. Doesn't mean you thus have people talking about it. Unless of course you have a friendly and compliant state and activist groups seeking to promote your 'suffering' for their gain. Where this was present, ie in the west, we see the results.
9. Given the census problem, obviously.
Despite herculian efforts, the USSR could not get the 395 survivors of the Katyn massacre - those who were not deported to be killed in the forest , but could attest to the deportation and subsequent disappearance of their thousands of murdered friends in Soviet (not Nazi, as the USSR claimed) custody - to shut up about their stories.
Zo thinks that they could get literal millions of Jews and non-Jewish witnesses to the deportations to never say a word about any of it. He also thinks that the Soviets (and then, later, the Russian Federation) could cover up all traces of the existence of resettlements containing millions (or hundreds of thousands? How many people do you believe were deported Zo?) of Jews, despite the fact that even pre-literate villages leave archaeological traces.
1. You're delving into the conflict of nationalism in the Warsaw pact now. Those 395 were Poles who'd actually suffered a tremendous unprecedented crime.
2. We already know many camps existed that are no longer there. This is similar to Treblinka and Belzec which are no longer there. It probably suits the various governments not to try and dig every site up in case they can't find anything.
Zo, before you jump back into resettlement, are you at least willing to concede you were wrong about the Nazis not using code words for killing? Mattogno says it "cannot be disputed" that "special treatment" was frequently used as a code-word for killing.
Ok. Do you concede this?
"The historical and documentary analysis presented in the present study enables a definitive answer to the question raised at the beginning: The prefix “special,” which occurs in the documents examined, referred to various aspects of life in the Auschwitz camp: – the disinfestation and storage of personal effects taken from the prisoners; – the delousing facility of Birkenau (the Central Sauna); – the Zyklon B deliveries, which were shipped for the purpose of disinfestation;
– the prisoners’ hospital planned for Sector BIII of the Birkenau camp; – the reception of deportees; – the classification of those suitable for labor.
But in not a single instance did this prefix have a criminal meaning. For this reason the “deciphering” performed by orthodox Holocaust historiography is historically and documentarily untenable. Thus the vicious circle of the orthodox historians has been broken, and the
claim that expressions in documents pertaining to the Auschwitz camp which contain the prefix “special” belonged to a “code language” concealing unspeakable atrocities is exposed for what it really is: a crude ploy meant to conjure up with mere words the kind of evidence that these historians should long since have provided, yet have been quite unable to provide and in fact continue to be unable to provide. The documentary collection The Beginnings of the Extermination of Jews
in KL Auschwitz in the Light of the Source Materials, published in 2014 by the Auschwitz Museum, contains the result of years of research by the historians at that museum, who carefully perused all the documents stored in their archive. In a certain way, this work is an official confirmation for the fact that no document exists which in any way refers to the alleged gassing “bunkers” at Birkenau, to the alleged homicidal gas chambers of the crematoria, or in general to any form of killings of registered or unregistered inmates at Auschwitz."
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holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com
