The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[mrolonzo]

I'll be honest, I have no idea what the fucking is happening in this thread anymore and I have no idea who's on what side.

This is probably why you don't argue with stupid people, its impossible to tell who's who anymore.

It's simple;

Chugger aka G10spana aka whatever
History speaks
Aves
Stan

Came in, made all kinds of claims about physics, were btfo'd. Then ignored page after page of scholarship then are banging on the demographic issues and are demanding to know where so many people went. When the issue with numbers is explained they assert that people don't just disappear unless they are gassed and burned then dug up and re buried etc and who needs bodies because we know it happened because it just did and anyway you need to answer where they are..

 

[mgc]

Hey Zo,

I think you have dodged my last query.

Given that the Korherr Report says the Jews sent to the Reinhardt camps have left Europe (in the first version they left Europe through "special treatment" in the camps, in the second version they left Europe by being resettled in the Russia East), do you believe these Jews were sent by the Nazis across the front and resettled within Soviet-occupied Russia?

(The Nazis never occupied Asian Russia.)

 

[mrolonzo]

Hey Zo,

I think you have dodged my last query.

Given that the Korherr Report says the Jews sent to the Reinhardt camps have left Europe (in the first version they left Europe through "special treatment" in the camps, in the second version they left Europe by being resettled in the Russia East), do you believe these Jews were sent by the Nazis across the front and resettled within Soviet-occupied Russia?

(The Nazis never occupied Asian Russia.)

Well we know the Soviets deported the Jews they had under control but are you thinking maybe a nazi soviet exchange programme in 42 or 43? Maybe at a railway junction near the front?

 

[Bonesjones]

Sure jews show up in Uzbekistan, Shanghai, Siberia in significant numbers reaching into the 10s of thousands. That's not evidence they went anywhere though. Why would you willingly and be able to travel thousands of miles when you were just holocausted? It's not like post war USA changed immigration at the behest of jews. They would have nothing to hide at all. Sure you can refute everything I say, that won't stop me from coming back in 5 pages with the same argument and act like it never happened lol.

 

[mgc]

Sure jews show up in Uzbekistan, Shanghai, Siberia in significant numbers reaching into the 10s of thousands. That's not evidence they went anywhere though. Why would you willingly and be able to travel thousands of miles when you were just holocausted? It's not like post war USA changed immigration at the behest of jews. They would have nothing to hide at all. Sure you can refute everything I say, that won't stop me from coming back in 5 pages with the same argument and act like it never happened lol.

Regarding Shanghai, we have been over this - these were (overwhelmingly German) Jews who fled Europe before the Holocaust. It has nothing to do with the problem of the disappeared Jews in the death camps, which did not exist when the Jewish refugees went to Shanghai.

Regarding Siberia and Uzbekistan, what population transfers in particular are you referring to, and what do they have to do with the Jews sent to Nazi camps during the Holocaust (i.e. between 1942 and 1944).

 

[Bonesjones]

Regarding Shanghai, we have been over this - these were (overwhelmingly German) Jews who fled Europe before the Holocaust. It has nothing to do with the problem of the disappeared Jews in the death camps, which did not exist when the Jewish refugees went to Shanghai.

Regarding Siberia and Uzbekistan, what population transfers in particular are you referring to?

Instead of studying history how about you go back to remedial middle school science class? Then you can work up to mathematics so you understand how census data works.

 

[mgc]

I really must have missed the lesson on time travel, because the Jewish deportees to the extermination camps would have had to engage in time-travel to be part of the refugee waves who went to Shanghai, since the movement of Jewish refugees to Shanghai occurred before the Holocaust began.

 

[Bonesjones]

I really must have missed the lesson on time travel, because the Jewish deportees to the extermination camps would have had to engage in time-travel to be part of the refugee waves who went to Shanghai, since the movement of Jewish refugees to Shanghai occurred before the Holocaust began.

"In a masterstroke of evil the Nazis let millions of jews escape genocide, this is evidence of their evil plans to kill all the jews."

Maybe we should put you in a concentration camp so you can focus on not being retarded for a while.

 

[Aves]

Mrolonzo,

Most likely because the numbers existed only on paper

Do you not believe at least two million Jews were taken by the nazis and either sent to concentration camps or deported? Or even just a million?

How many Jews were put on trains and sent to camps or deported in some fashion? Do you not believe millions of Jews were deported?

Jews were indeed taken away. So what?

You missed my point. Polish citizens still spoke of their deportations, even though this is supposedly “normal” in your world view. Why aren’t Jews speaking about this too?

Evidence of Jews being deported would exist in interviews, books, or documentaries, all of which exist for polish people who were deported or otherwise held in camps.


The revisionist narrative does have an ongoing issue with the exact fate of every jew

That’s not at all what our problem is. We aren’t asking where Diana Goldberg from Hamburg was sent on 1943 or whatever, we are asking why there exists no witnesses or any biographies or memoirs of any of these Jews who you believed were deported.

That’s why your demographic studies aren’t useful to us. We are asking for witnesses or memoirs or anything we can find to show these Jews did exist, regardless of whether the number is 6 million or 1.5 million. And since you agree you don’t have witnesses or other similar evidence, we are asking why.

 

[Chugger]

but are you thinking maybe a nazi soviet exchange programme in 42 or 43? Maybe at a railway junction near the front?

Well given that ussr and nazi Germany were not in diplomatic relations at the time, the USSR had no need for non-employable Jews etc this seems unreasonable. Nor is there any evidence of course

Revisionists interpret Europe as extending only to ussr borders in some cases, so out of Europe meant just beyond these borders

So basically your explanation for the silent witnesses is that their lives during this time were too common place to be worthy of mention, but what does this mean exactly? I don't think anyone's life in occupied ussr was common place by our standards

 

[mgc]

Revisionists interpret Europe as extending only to ussr borders in some cases

WTF?? What is their basis for doing this?

THe Nazis made plain that they regarded the Ural mountains as demarcating Asia from Europe.

 

[JohnDoe]

I really must have missed the lesson on time travel

They went to the Moon, remember?
We have Gobbel's diary...

Pictures from the Soviet Moon probes...

and eye-witness testimony....

My sister, Chane, was taken from me and dragged to a rocket with the rest of the women and many of the children. I too, should have been placed with the other children, but the Hauptsturmführer grasped my arm and declared I was fit to labor with a young man's strength. I had to watch through tears as the rocket turned winter into summer, for the moments of its flight from the frozen ground into the sky. I was gripped with fear, thinking my sister would explode like a firework, taking her from me like the bombs took our parents. Instead, it vanished into the night on a tail of foul smelling smoke, lost among the stars like a seed on a sand bar. I begged the soldier to tell me where my sister had gone, and he laughed. To the moon she went, he said, to grow Moon Pears in honor of Hitler. As for me, my path went to a labor camp......
- Schmul Goldberg "Lonely"

Its irrefutable!

 

[Lemmingwise]

It's simple;

Chugger aka G10spana aka whatever
History speaks
Aves
Stan

Came in, made all kinds of claims about physics, were btfo'd. Then ignored page after page of scholarship then are banging on the demographic issues and are demanding to know where so many people went. When the issue with numbers is explained they assert that people don't just disappear unless they are gassed and burned then dug up and re buried etc and who needs bodies because we know it happened because it just did and anyway you need to answer where they are..

I mean, you too came in just to shill this topic, but from the opposite end.

And as Stan selfdoxed to me and I already knew the name from a previous online thing, I can at least say Stan isn't a shill, but someone who speaks about honest beliefs.

And stan also did participate in other parts of the site unlike yourself, really. There's 4 obvious tourists in this thread, it's true, but you're one of those 4.

 

[mgc]

In addition to the categories Lemmingwise mentions, there are also multiple posters who visit this thread simply to track my posts and click "Islamic content" on them.

This used to annoy me - because there is zero basis to m1ddl3m4rch's claim that I would never challenge a Muslim Holocaust denier - but at this point even I have to admit it is kind of funny. I am not quite sure why it is funny, but it is.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

In addition to the categories Lemmingwise mentions, there are also multiple posters who visit this thread simply to track my posts and click "Islamic content" on them.

This used to annoy me - because there is zero basis to m1ddl3m4rch's claim that I would never challenge a Muslim Holocaust denier - but at this point even I have to admit it is kind of funny. I am not quite sure why it is funny, but it is.

Go castigate the Muslims about the Shoah. Muslim violence is why you don't and won't. You argue and argue and argue trying to tell us that the Muslim violence elephant isn't in the room, and that it has nothing to do with your selection of topic and target.

Not. Buying.

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You're not going to mosques and boldly challenging hatred. You're going to obscure forums to parse minutiae and practice debate. Your deeds speak for you: we can all see where you're going and where you're not going, who you're talking down to and who you're not talking to at all.

 

[Lemmingwise]

This used to annoy me - but at this point even I have to admit it is kind of funny. I am not quite sure why it is funny, but it is.

I am not quite sure why you are a retard, but you are.

In addition to the categories Lemmingwise mentions, there are also multiple posters who visit this thread simply to track my posts and click "Islamic content" on them

If you weren't a tourist you'd understand why these people are truer to the spirit of this forum than you, or even I.

 

[Chugger]

WTF?? What is their basis for doing this?

evacuation to the east is explicit enough in the documents that revisionists believe it happened, but yeah the terminology doesn't really make sense. I cannot defend the reasoning, except to say the Korherr report may be a mild case compared to some other documents

eg Otto Bene writing about his attempts to deport the Dutch Jews

 

[mrolonzo]

I mean, you too came in just to shill this topic, but from the opposite end.

And as Stan selfdoxed to me and I already knew the name from a previous online thing, I can at least say Stan isn't a shill, but someone who speaks about honest beliefs.

And stan also did participate in other parts of the site unlike yourself, really. There's 4 obvious tourists in this thread, it's true, but you're one of those 4.

I was already here defending TRS and Mike Enoch and talking about Vaush.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I was already here defending TRS and Mike Enoch and talking about Vaush.

You've made maybe 40 posts in other threads compared to 530 in this thread, right? It's less than 10% outside of this thread.

 

[mrolonzo]

You've made maybe 40 posts in other threads compared to 530 in this thread, right? It's less than 10% outside of this thread.

True. The other stuff is just gossip in the end though so i naturally gravitate to more important matters. Basically I saw these guys trying to bully and baffle the guys here and moved in. Im not a shill for this topic and have no YouTube channel to promote. From my reading and experience there is great wrong in the world and the rehabilitation of the right and the holocaust myth is a part of that so it's worth sticking at.

Go castigate the Muslims about the Shoah. Muslim violence is why you don't and won't. You argue and argue and argue trying to tell us that the Muslim violence elephant isn't in the room, and that it has nothing to do with your selection of topic and target.

Not. Buying.

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You're not going to mosques and boldly challenging hatred. You're going to obscure forums to parse minutiae and practice debate. Your deeds speak for you: we can all see where you're going and where you're not going, who you're talking down to and who you're not talking to at all.

He doesn't go against muslims because they have automatic cultural protections given by shitlibs.

However, he essentially chooses this course because he is ideologically driven leftist. Thus the constant bleating about treatment of Slavs, about nazi 'larpers'.